Pandemic 2020

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Fogdog

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rkymtnman said:
the message is nobody knows if they are sick. maybe i am? maybe you are? maybe the cashier is? maybe the guy right behind you is? the mask is called PPE for a reason: PERSONAL protective equipment.
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I hear you. I tend to be drawn to contradictions. So, I'm picking at one here. Not disagreeing but what you say contradicts what general messages from health care providers. I realize this isn't a clearly delineated issue. If you are talking about the "N95" mask, then yes, it can be a good PPE and they are in short supply. The guidance there to the general public is, don't buy them, they are needed by health workers to keep them from getting sick.

Regarding surgical masks:

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COVID-19: When should you wear a face mask? - Mayo Clinic News Network

COVID-19 can cause a number of symptoms that may appear several days after exposure. The most common symptoms are cough, fever and shortness of breath. The virus is primarily spread by respiratory droplets transmitted via close contact (within 6 feet) with an infected person, according to the...
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"The current recommendations regarding masks are that if you yourself are sick with fever and cough, you can wear a surgical mask to prevent transmission to other people. If you are healthy, there is not thought to be any additional benefit to wearing a mask yourself because the mask is not airtight and does not necessarily prevent breathing in of these viral particles, which are very tiny," says Dr. Nipunie Rajapakse, a Mayo Clinic infectious diseases specialist.
 
rkymtnman

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Jimdamick said:
Supposedly it (masks) has no effect on catching the virus, only on the transmission of the virus.
They stop you from coughing up your sputum onto your neighbor, but unfortunately that's about it.
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I've got a few of the N95s so why wouldn't I wear it? Can't hurt that's for sure. i've also got a welding respirator that i think filters out nuclear isotopes. So that's the back up when this really gets bad.
 
rkymtnman

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Fogdog said:
I hear you. I tend to be drawn to contradictions. So, I'm picking at one here. Not disagreeing but what you say contradicts what general messages from health care providers. I realize this isn't a clearly delineated issue. If you are talking about the "N95" mask, then yes, it can be a good PPE and they are in short supply. The guidance there to the general public is, don't buy them, they are needed by health workers to keep them from getting sick.

Regarding surgical masks:

newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org

COVID-19: When should you wear a face mask? - Mayo Clinic News Network

COVID-19 can cause a number of symptoms that may appear several days after exposure. The most common symptoms are cough, fever and shortness of breath. The virus is primarily spread by respiratory droplets transmitted via close contact (within 6 feet) with an infected person, according to the...
newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org

"The current recommendations regarding masks are that if you yourself are sick with fever and cough, you can wear a surgical mask to prevent transmission to other people. If you are healthy, there is not thought to be any additional benefit to wearing a mask yourself because the mask is not airtight and does not necessarily prevent breathing in of these viral particles, which are very tiny," says Dr. Nipunie Rajapakse, a Mayo Clinic infectious diseases specialist.
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and in my case, i just got over a cold with all the symptoms except for the fever part. so i'm either protecting myself or others. either way works for me.
 
Fogdog

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rkymtnman said:
I've got a few of the N95s so why wouldn't I wear it? Can't hurt that's for sure. i've also got a welding respirator that i think filters out nuclear isotopes. So that's the back up when this really gets bad.
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They are asking people to not buy any more and keep them available to health care workers. Of course, wear one if you have one. Smart of you to keep them in stock as a back up. They are darn good at filtering out virus particles. Which is why a health care worker must have one.

It's just that your post questions why others weren't wearing them. The reason for not wearing surgical mask given is; surgical masks aren't much help and there aren't enough of the good shit to go around, so let the people who are treating sick people get them.
 
rkymtnman

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Fogdog said:
They are asking people to not buy any more and keep them available to health care workers. Of course, wear one if you have one. Smart of you to keep them in stock as a back up. They are darn good at filtering out virus particles. Which is why a health care worker must have one.

It's just that your post questions why others weren't wearing them. The reason for not wearing surgical mask given is; surgical masks aren't much help and there aren't enough of the good shit to go around, so let the people who are treating sick people get them.
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I get your point. I would think even a bandana or scarf would provide slightly better protection than nothing.
 
Jimdamick

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rkymtnman said:
and in my case, i just got over a cold with all the symptoms except for the fever part. so i'm either protecting myself or others. either way works for me.
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From what I've read so far states that everyone on the face of the Earth is going to get it sooner or later, it's inevitable
Those that have weakened immune systems &/or other health issues are the prime candidates to die from Covid-19, so a lot of people are going to suffer from this virus, one way or the other.
What they're hoping for now is to find a vaccine ASAP, but early estimates expect that too take a year, at least
This is one fucked up OP ain't it?
I truly wish I never started it
But the good news is we can all share, hopefully as friends, our experiances & help each other survive this madness.
That's what I want this thread too do
Peace out brothers & sisters & stay safe :)
 
Unclebaldrick

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Overheard today at a San Francisco Whole Foods:

A woman was in the cash register line and in her cart were six whole chickens. It wasn't so much that other people were giving her any shit about it but she clearly felt self-conscious about her purchase because the store was running out of meat and she felt the need to explain why they should not look at her as a filthy hoarder. So she blurts out "these aren't for me, these are for my dogs!"

Oh, ok. The reason you can't get a chicken isn't because she needs them to feed her family. It's her dogs. I feel better.
 
Jimdamick

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rkymtnman said:
I get your point. I would think even a bandana or scarf would provide slightly better protection than nothing.
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Yesterday in the supermarket I was admonished by the lady behind me in line in the checkout when I shook hand's with the manager.
"You know you shouldn't be doing that, your spreading germs"
I felt like smacking her, but she was right.
Elbow bumps from now on
:)
 
hanimmal

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Unclebaldrick said:
Overheard today at a San Francisco Whole Foods:

A woman was in the cash register line and in her cart were six whole chickens. It wasn't so much that other people were giving her any shit about it but she clearly felt self-conscious about her purchase because the store was running out of meat and she felt the need to explain why they should not look at her as a filthy hoarder. So she blurts out "these aren't for me, these are for my dogs!"

Oh, ok. The reason you can't get a chicken isn't because she needs them to feed her family. It's her dogs. I feel better.
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Poor lady, she probably has her dogs on one of the raw meat diets,

If/when her dogs go off it, they will have diarrhea like mother fuckers.
 
radiant Rudy

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Unclebaldrick said:
Overheard today at a San Francisco Whole Foods:

A woman was in the cash register line and in her cart were six whole chickens. It wasn't so much that other people were giving her any shit about it but she clearly felt self-conscious about her purchase because the store was running out of meat and she felt the need to explain why they should not look at her as a filthy hoarder. So she blurts out "these aren't for me, these are for my dogs!"

Oh, ok. The reason you can't get a chicken isn't because she needs them to feed her family. It's her dogs. I feel better.
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The only animal protein my colleague and his wife feed their dog is organic duck meat. The dog's coat is as luminous as Kim Kardashian's mane.
 
Jimdamick

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Unclebaldrick said:
Overheard today at a San Francisco Whole Foods:

A woman was in the cash register line and in her cart were six whole chickens. It wasn't so much that other people were giving her any shit about it but she clearly felt self-conscious about her purchase because the store was running out of meat and she felt the need to explain why they should not look at her as a filthy hoarder. So she blurts out "these aren't for me, these are for my dogs!"

Oh, ok. The reason you can't get a chicken isn't because she needs them to feed her family. It's her dogs. I feel better.
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I hope they were for her dogs.
They are the worst fucking thing around to give a dog, the bones will kill them & risk of bacteria is huge.
Good :)
 
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