Lucky Luke
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Nothing to do with China but Facebook is now deleting any post about Italy off Facebook. Must be the yanks. Be very scared cause the first time since page one i am.
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Novel coronavirus introduced to humans in exotic animal meat market.
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abandonconflict
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I'm posting this again because reasons. Skip to about 6:45 to the part that compares how two US cities dealt with Influenza back in 1918. It's quite akin to a contemporary comparison between the South Korean reaction to SARS-CoV-2 and that of Italy. South Korea already appears to have reached logistic growth in its sigmoid curve. Do watch the whole video though, it's quite insightful.
Rob Roy
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You realize if everybody exercised daily and followed MY fitness routine they'd all live to be a 140, but they're too dumb to comply?
Kassiopeija
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how much freedom do have the dead?
Rob Roy
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They're still water boarding the lieutenant bats to see if they'll give up Osama Bat Virus Laden's secret lair.
"Extraordinary measures for extraordinary times" !
Rob Roy
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That reminds me, you're not "allowed" to officially die unless you get an approved death certificate. Then of course even handling a corpse has to be done in a compliant way, by "licensed" people.
If vaccinations work so well, just go get yourself vaccinated and don't worry about those who don't. How could they harm you if you've drank the magic kool aid? Don't vaccinations work?
captainmorgan
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Thread by @jeremycyoung on Thread Reader App
Thread by @jeremycyoung: We can now read the Imperial College report on COVID-19 that led to the extreme measures we've seen in the US this week. Read it; it's terrifying. I'll offer a summary in this...…
threadreaderapp.com
captainmorgan
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Anti-viral drug Favipiravir effective in treating coronavirus patients: Chinese official
Results showed that patients receiving Favipiravir treatment turned negative for the virus in a shorter time compared with patients in the control group, he said.
captainmorgan
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This thread is worth a read.
captainmorgan
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This guy is a real journalist and advocate, been following him for years.
Grandpapy
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Just food for thought.
On March 22, 2012, when President Vladimir Putin convened a meeting of his future cabinet, Minister of Defense Anatoly Serdyukov declared: “Mr. Putin, we have particularly paid attention to ‘The development of weapons based on new physical principles: radiation, geophysical wave, genetic, psychophysical, etc.’” A huge bureaucracy has since emerged to manage these efforts; Soviet biological warfare facilities have been refurbished; the Radiation, Chemical, and Biological Defense (RHkM) forces have been provided with sophisticated, modern equipment; and RHkM forces have conducted many large and realistic exercises throughout Russia. Russia has also reactivated “active measures,” such as falsely publicizing that the U.S.
If it walks like a duck.
Officially, Russia has just 114 confirmed coronavirus cases and no confirmed deaths.
It's a remarkably small number for a country of 149 million people that shares land borders with 14 other countries, including a 4,200-kilometre boundary with China, where the coronavirus outbreak started.
On March 22, 2012, when President Vladimir Putin convened a meeting of his future cabinet, Minister of Defense Anatoly Serdyukov declared: “Mr. Putin, we have particularly paid attention to ‘The development of weapons based on new physical principles: radiation, geophysical wave, genetic, psychophysical, etc.’” A huge bureaucracy has since emerged to manage these efforts; Soviet biological warfare facilities have been refurbished; the Radiation, Chemical, and Biological Defense (RHkM) forces have been provided with sophisticated, modern equipment; and RHkM forces have conducted many large and realistic exercises throughout Russia. Russia has also reactivated “active measures,” such as falsely publicizing that the U.S.
If it walks like a duck.
Officially, Russia has just 114 confirmed coronavirus cases and no confirmed deaths.
It's a remarkably small number for a country of 149 million people that shares land borders with 14 other countries, including a 4,200-kilometre boundary with China, where the coronavirus outbreak started.
Kassiopeija
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it works, unfortunately sometimes with unexpected results (very rarely someone even dies, tragically, yes) but the overall point is to entirely get rid of a human (not zoonotic) virus. Which is only possible if all humans are thoroughly immunitized in a short frame of time. Once the specific virus is history - no more vaccination would ever be needed anymore...
Freedom IMO is about giving the people a positive return, not preventing it.
Kassiopeija
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from this link:Thread by @jeremycyoung on Thread Reader App
Thread by @jeremycyoung: We can now read the Imperial College report on COVID-19 that led to the extreme measures we've seen in the US this week. Read it; it's terrifying. I'll offer a summary in this...…
"Now, though, they have to monitor the test subject for 14 months to make sure the vaccine is safe. This part can't be rushed: if you're going to inoculate all humans, you have to make absolutely sure the vaccine itself won't kill them. It probably won't, but you have to be sure. "
why so long? if said person still lives after 2 months, and is immune to SARS-2, what could change in the months 3-14?
Rob Roy
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Stop abusing words. Freedom is about choice. Taking it away as you seem to propose is about tyranny.
There is no left / right paradigm. It is tyranny or freedom. Once the virus of government is gone, we'll be free, not until then!
Kassiopeija
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Drugs with potential against coronavirus in human trials
Three existing drugs deemed promising in working against the novel coronavirus have entered human trials in China, with some participant patients demonstrating evident improvement, Zhang Xinmin, head of the China National Center for Biotechnology Development, said on Saturday.
www.chinadaily.com.cn
Kassiopeija
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captainmorgan
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50% to 75% of the infected are asymptomatic, that explains a lot, didn't think that number would be that high.
Fogdog
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The data are kind of crappy right now.
This report says 10%.
COVID-19: Study estimates rate of ‘silent transmission’
A new study— which has yet to appear — estimates that people who do not yet display any symptoms transmit around 10% of infections
COVID-19: Study estimates rate of ‘silent transmission’
Once an individual has the virus, there is a phase before symptoms begin. A study estimates how many infections occur as a result of people in this phase.
www.medicalnewstoday.com
Some people who have contracted SARS-CoV-2 display no symptoms, and it is likely that only 1–3% of people are so-called asymptomatic carriers.
However, in all cases of COVID-19, there is a lag between infection and the start of symptoms, which is known as the incubation period.
The time between transmission and symptoms could be anything from 2–14 days.
A recent study that investigated incubation time concludes that the median for developing symptoms is 5.1 days, and 97.5% of those developing symptoms do so within 11.5 days.
Understanding how easily these presymptomatic individuals transmit the virus is important.
The authors of the current study also make it clear that, as the numbers of people who contract the virus rises, their latest estimates might change.
The answer to this crisis remains the same. Stay home to reduce contact with vectors so that you don't become a vector yourself right now. A lot of people are going get this, maybe most. Right now is when we can flatten the curve so that the health care system doesn't break.
captainmorgan
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I would think it would be harder to come to a number in a large population center, this was a study of a remote village of 3000, they were all tested.The data are kind of crappy right now.
This report says 10%.
COVID-19: Study estimates rate of ‘silent transmission’
A new study— which has yet to appear — estimates that people who do not yet display any symptoms transmit around 10% of infections
COVID-19: Study estimates rate of ‘silent transmission’
Once an individual has the virus, there is a phase before symptoms begin. A study estimates how many infections occur as a result of people in this phase.
Some people who have contracted SARS-CoV-2 display no symptoms, and it is likely that only 1–3% of people are so-called asymptomatic carriers.
However, in all cases of COVID-19, there is a lag between infection and the start of symptoms, which is known as the incubation period.
The time between transmission and symptoms could be anything from 2–14 days.
A recent study that investigated incubation time concludes that the median for developing symptoms is 5.1 days, and 97.5% of those developing symptoms do so within 11.5 days.
Understanding how easily these presymptomatic individuals transmit the virus is important.
The authors of the current study also make it clear that, as the numbers of people who contract the virus rises, their latest estimates might change.
The answer to this crisis remains the same. Stay home to reduce contact with vectors so that you don't become a vector yourself right now. A lot of people are going get this, maybe most. Right now is when we can flatten the curve so that the health care system doesn't break.
DIY-HP-LED
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Nor an ad hominem attack. This issue is being hotly debated today in the news, so we're were ahead of them a bit. I generally save such attacks myself for the Trumpers and other such miscreants, not for reasonable people making valid arguments in a reasonable manner. The difficult cannot be mastered until we at least try and this stuff should have been initiated months ago and not just in America, but throughout the west.
You don't like the Chinese government, welcome to the club, their response to the pandemic was terrible, but it did start there and was going before they became fully aware. The American and British government's response appears to be worse than the Chinese, Trump was denying it until a day ago and the federal government is paralyzed.
Something that might interest you too
There’s A Shortage Of Ventilators For Coronavirus Patients, So This International Group Invented An Open Source Alternative That’s Being Tested Next Week
A group of 300-plus engineers, designers, tech founders and others galvanized on Facebook with a goal of building a ventilator using readily available materials, 3D printing and open-source hardware resources.
www.forbes.com
Ventilators For Coronavirus Patients, So This International Group Invented An Open Source Alternative That’s Being Tested Next Week
Here is an article published today that expands upon our discussion and looks at the realistic possibilities. Extra ventilators will most likely be required a year or more from now too.
America Needs More Ventilators. Here’s How We Can Get Them.
For war, we needed planes; for pandemics, we need ventilators.
America Needs More Ventilators. Here’s How We Can Get Them.
We still have time to avoid the ethical crisis Italy faces.
By NISARG A. PATEL
MARCH 18, 20205:45 AM
New ventilators are seen at the Columbus COVID 2 Hospital on Monday in Rome.
Marco Di Lauro/Getty Images
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Per numbers from the Society of Critical Care Medicine, U.S. hospitals have a total of 160,000 ventilators—62,000 modern units immediately available and 98,000 obsolete ones that can be pulled out of storage in an emergency situation. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Strategic National Stockpile has an additional 13,000 ventilators, which can be accessed by request from state health officials and deployed within 36 hours. Like the CDC, states can order and maintain their own stockpiles of ventilators for emergency deployment. Yet, as American COVID-19 case numbers track just days behind those of Italy, the American Hospital Association estimates that up to 960,000 patients may need ventilatory support. Our current supply is woefully insufficient.
Given the nonanswers from senior administration health officials on a potential ventilator shortage and President Donald Trump’s comment to state governors to try “getting it yourselves,” it’s unclear how the country will respond to what seems like an inevitable shortage of the most critical piece of medical equipment needed for our nation’s most severely affected patients. But here are some options for what the federal government could do to help.
Manufacturers of ventilators, such as Medtronic and Generic Electric, can boost their production output. It’s true that this would take time and require additional investment in manufacturing capacity, but even if it takes months to boost deliveries and scale up the supply chain for ventilator parts, the government ought to be following the CDC’s historical lead and placing massive orders immediately. Hospitals, already strained with both space and personnel, might not be able to afford a surge of extra equipment that will go unused as coronavirus infections settle, but national governments can.
The German government just placed an order for 10,000 mechanical ventilators. Italy has deployed members of its armed forces to help the country’s only ventilator manufacturer meet the nation’s demand. The U.K. has called on luxury automaker Rolls-Royce to help build ventilators. ResMed, another U.S. manufacturer, is filling higher than usual orders from China and South Korea. Why isn’t the U.S. following suit?
We’ve done this kind of thing before. In 1940, during World War II, Franklin Delano Roosevelt called on America to build 50,000 combat aircraft over the next year at a time when the country had only 3,000 planes under its wing. Despite a seemingly impossible request, starting in 1941, the Ford Motor Co. made one B-24 bomber per hour during the course of the war. Fifty-seven members of Congress are urging the White House to act in kind now. For war, we needed planes; for pandemics, we need ventilators.
The federal government could not only purchase at least 50,000 ventilators from private manufacturers, it could also offer tax credits to help them invest in new manufacturing capacity to both help existing suppliers produce up-to-date equipment for hospitals and prepare the country with a modernized stockpile for future pandemics. Further, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration should grant Emergency Use Authorization, which allows unapproved medical products to be used in an emergency, for lower-cost but equally effective ventilators to treat COVID-19 patients. COVID-19 diagnostic tools and personal protective equipment have already received this authorization, so ventilators are the logical—and necessary—next step. Subsequently, building low-cost ventilators with federal workers, akin to how Italy has redeployed its army technicians, would help emergency ventilators reach hospitals with urgent demand and avoid supply chain bottlenecks that arise when trying to import ventilator parts abroad during a crisis. For example, a student team from Harvard Medical School and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology has developed and clinically tested a low-cost breathing device that can help patients struggling to breathe at just 10 percent of the cost of traditional intensive care unit ventilators. Innovations like these can be quickly manufactured domestically and delivered to critical areas. Finally, offering hospitals funding and personnel to staff the additional ventilators and tune them to the needs of each patient will be just as crucial as the new machines themselves.
It’s impossible to predict the shape of the epidemiological pandemic curve in the U.S. and peak demand for ventilators. However, Italy’s grim, utilitarian rationing of care, in which patients who seem unlikely to survive are left without treatment, is an ethical crisis our country may be headed toward. It’s one we still have time to avoid.
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