Guns.

[DwayneWayne]

Guess you didn't see the backup?

Sure if someone is invading my home with a machine gun blazing, they would have gotten me anyways. But I am not that important to anyone to come at me like that.

The ridiculousness of people thinking anyone gives a shit about them to the point they need a bunch of guns to protect themselves is just sad. People will just wait until you leave your home to break in, because generally they know who you are and what you have that they want to break in for.

Quit being a hero, like you are somehow going to Rambo your way to safety, a couple dogs will take care of 99.9999% of any issues better than any gun will.

Why distract from the issue? Why do you feel that a poor family doesnt have the right to protect their home with one gun and that they should be forced by you, at the barrel of a gun(government force) to purchase, care for and feed a dog instead?

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

The gun numbers: just 3% of American adults own a collective 133m firearms

Facts show owning more than 40 guns is actually fairly common in the United States

American civilians own at least 265m firearms, which gives Americans the highest rate of per capita firearm ownership in the world, with about one gun for every American. Yemen comes in a distant second, with about 55 guns for every 100 people, according to data from the 2007 Small Arms Survey.

But surveys show that gun ownership in America is actually highly concentrated. Only 22 to 31% of Americans adults say they personally own a gun.
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Looks like a minority that can easily be dealt with after the election, a fifth to a third of the electorate and most of them support tougher gun laws and regulations. Besides the NRA is powerless and soon they will be too

The gun numbers: just 3% of American adults own a collective 133m firearms

Facts show owning more than 40 guns is actually fairly common in the United States, and violence falls most heavily on the country’s poorest neighborhoods

www.theguardian.com

 

[PadawanWarrior]

That magnificent piece of engineering and industrial art, in the case, in a safe, with the bullets elsewhere, it's not an issue. Not one bit. I'm ok with people who want to own something like that. The average person does not store their weapon safely, does not practice enough with it, does not take classes on gun safety, does not take additional training either. On average, people are less safe if they own a gun than if the did not. This is fact.

I fully agree with everything you just said. Too many people are idiots, and a lot should not own a gun. Maybe you should have to take an IQ test or something during the background check, lol.

 

[cannabineer]

That magnificent piece of engineering and industrial art, in the case, in a safe, with the bullets elsewhere, it's not an issue. Not one bit. I'm ok with people who want to own something like that. The average person does not store their weapon safely, does not practice enough with it, does not take classes on gun safety, does not take additional training either. On average, people are less safe if they own a gun than if the did not. This is fact.

These are incomplete statistics. The Australians implemented chard gun control, and overall instances of violence did not decrease. They merely shifted to standings and blunt trauma.

This is not often repeated by the demonizers of the gun.

 

[hanimmal]

Why distract from the issue? Why do you feel that a poor family doesnt have the right to protect their home with one gun and that they should be forced by you, at the barrel of a gun(government force) to purchase, care for and feed a dog instead?

You ignoring this post on purpose?

Do you not want these dogs to find homes and people to know about how they can foster dogs in need at no cost?

btw, I never said I care one way or another about guns. I am just pointing out that all the heroics people like to pretend they are going to do because they have a gun is bullshit, and a good dog(s) will provide far more protection.

 

[cannabineer]

You ignoring this post on purpose?

Do you not want these dogs to find homes and people to know about how they can foster dogs in need?

btw, I never said I care one way or another about guns. I am just pointing out that all the heroics people like to pretend they are because they are going to do because they have one is bullshit, and a good dog(s) will provide far more protection.

I have a gun and a dog.
When shift I won’t be teaching for the dog.
He may have other ideas at an inopportune time.
1911a1> terrier

 

[PadawanWarrior]

You ignoring this post on purpose?

Do you not want these dogs to find homes and people to know about how they can foster dogs in need at no cost?

btw, I never said I care one way or another about guns. I am just pointing out that all the heroics people like to pretend they are going to do because they have a gun is bullshit, and a good dog(s) will provide far more protection.

Why are you trying to turn this into a discussion about pet adoption, lol? Dog vs gun, dog loses. So I hope whoever the dog protects you from doesn't have one, haha.

 

[hanimmal]

Why are you trying to turn this into a discussion about pet adoption, lol? Dog vs gun, dog loses. So I hope whoever the dog protects you from doesn't have one, haha.

I am not worried about needing protection is kind of the entire point. And if anything ever does happen, a dog gives me warning unlike a gun. Which is more important in the case of an emergency.

Edit:
But yeah, Dogs being adopted is a great thing IMO. If I can turn this turd of a thread into something constructive like pet adoption of rescue animals, it is well worth doing.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

These are incomplete statistics. The Australians implemented chard gun control, and overall instances of violence did not decrease. They merely shifted to standings and blunt trauma.

This is not often repeated by the demonizers of the gun.

Gun violence
More than 38,000 Americans were killed with guns last year, according to preliminary statistics from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).
Both gun suicide and gun homicide have risen in recent years, although America’s rates of gun homicide remain dramatically below what they were in the early 1990s.

Gun suicides make up the majority of gun deaths, more than 20,000 each year. But violent gun injuries represent an even larger toll: more than 60,000 people are shot each year and survive, according to CDC estimates.

In 2015, the most recent year with detailed data on fatal gun deaths, there were more than 36,000 overall firearm deaths, including 22,000 gun suicides and 13,000 gun homicides. That same year, according to The Counted, a Guardian project tracking police killings, more than 1,000 Americans were shot to death by the police.


But surveys show that gun ownership in America is actually highly concentrated. Only 22 to 31% of Americans adults say they personally own a gun.

Rates of personal and household gun ownership appear to have declined over the past decades – roughly two-thirds of Americans today say they live in a gun-free household. By contrast, in the late 1970s, the majority of Americans said they lived in a household with guns.

Most of America’s gun owners have relatively modest collections, with the majority of gun owners having an average of just three guns, and nearly half owning just one or two, according to a 2015 survey by Harvard and Northeastern researchers, which gave the most in-depth estimate of Americans’ current patterns of gun ownerships.

But America’s gun super-owners, have amassed huge collections. Just 3% of American adults own a collective 133m firearms – half of America’s total gun stock. These owners have collections that range from eight to 140 guns, the 2015 study found. Their average collection: 17 guns each.


After the Las Vegas shooting, officials said the killer had 23 guns in his hotel room, and another 19 at home. Some Americans asked, shocked, why one person purchasing so many guns had not set off any red flags.

The gun numbers: just 3% of American adults own a collective 133m firearms

Facts show owning more than 40 guns is actually fairly common in the United States, and violence falls most heavily on the country’s poorest neighborhoods

www.theguardian.com

 

[Fogdog]

“Science is clear” is nonsense.

Provide your peer-reviewed sources.

The list of gun tragedies by nation can be found here:

List of countries by firearm-related death rate - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

As of 2017,

US: 12.21 deaths due to guns per thousand; 7.32 were due to suicide; 4.89 gun related deaths that were not deemed suicide.
AU: 0.9 deaths per thousand due to guns; 0.8 were due to suicide; 0.1 gun related deaths that were not deemed suicide

We can debate other topics but the main issue with is shown in those numbers. Why doesn't the gun industry and gun owners take ownership for driving those numbers in the US down? If they did. If they set benchmarks and showed progress toward meeting them, then I can see no issues here.

 

[Fogdog]

These are incomplete statistics. The Australians implemented chard gun control, and overall instances of violence did not decrease. They merely shifted to standings and blunt trauma.

This is not often repeated by the demonizers of the gun.

citation requested

 

[cannabineer]

The list of gun tragedies by nation can be found here:

List of countries by firearm-related death rate - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

As of 2017,

US: 12.21 deaths due to guns per thousand; 7.32 were due to suicide; 4.89 gun related deaths that were not deemed suicide.
AU: 0.9 deaths per thousand due to guns; 0.8 were due to suicide; 0.1 gun related deaths that were not deemed suicide

We can debate other topics but the main issue with is shown in those numbers. Why doesn't the gun industry and gun owners take ownership for driving those numbers in the US down? If they did. If they set benchmarks and showed progress toward meeting them, then I can see no issues here.

Read the NRA’s Armed Citizen column.
One of the fundamental weaknesses of your premise is there is no counting the number of violent incidents prevented by the use of civilly-owned firearms.
Your implication runs aground on this rock.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

These are incomplete statistics. The Australians implemented chard gun control, and overall instances of violence did not decrease. They merely shifted to standings and blunt trauma.

This is not often repeated by the demonizers of the gun.

Strict firearm laws reduce gun deaths: here’s the evidence

New Zealand will reform laws after the Christchurch massacre but how has gun control worked in other countries?

www.theguardian.com

Strict firearm laws reduce gun deaths: here’s the evidence
New Zealand will reform laws after the Christchurch massacre but how has gun control worked in other countries?

There have been a number of studies published on the impact of the NFA on firearm-related deaths in Australia. According to a 2011 summary of the research by the Harvard Injury Control Research Centre, a number of studies suggested beneficial effects from the law changes, with a reduction in mass shootings, and a reduction in the rate of firearm-related deaths (both homicides and suicides) overall.

Also if you want research

Gun Law Reforms and Firearm Deaths in Australia

This population epidemiology study uses government statistics to compare the number of mass fatal shootings, firearm deaths, and firearm-related and all-cause homicide and suicides before and after enactment of gun law reforms in Australia in 1996.

jamanetwork.com

Association Between Gun Law Reforms and Intentional Firearm Deaths in Australia, 1979-2013

Key Points
Question What happened to the trend in firearm deaths after Australia introduced extensive gun law reform in 1996, including a ban on semiautomatic rifles and pump-action shotguns?

Findings In the 18 years before the ban, there were 13 mass shootings, whereas in the 20 years following the ban, no mass shootings occurred, and the decline in total firearm deaths accelerated.

Meaning Implementation of a ban on rapid-fire firearms was associated with reductions in mass shootings and total firearm deaths.

Abstract
Importance Rapid-fire weapons are often used by perpetrators in mass shooting incidents. In 1996 Australia introduced major gun law reforms that included a ban on semiautomatic rifles and pump-action shotguns and rifles and also initiated a program for buyback of firearms.

Objective To determine whether enactment of the 1996 gun laws and buyback program were followed by changes in the incidence of mass firearm homicides and total firearm deaths.

Design Observational study using Australian government statistics on deaths caused by firearms (1979-2013) and news reports of mass shootings in Australia (1979–May 2016). Changes in intentional firearm death rates were analyzed with negative binomial regression, and data on firearm-related mass killings were compared.

Exposures Implementation of major national gun law reforms.

Main Outcomes and Measures Changes in mass fatal shooting incidents (defined as ≥5 victims, not including the perpetrator) and in trends of rates of total firearm deaths, firearm homicides and suicides, and total homicides and suicides per 100 000 population.

Results From 1979-1996 (before gun law reforms), 13 fatal mass shootings occurred in Australia, whereas from 1997 through May 2016 (after gun law reforms), no fatal mass shootings occurred. There was also significant change in the preexisting downward trends for rates of total firearm deaths prior to vs after gun law reform. From 1979-1996, the mean rate of total firearm deaths was 3.6 (95% CI, 3.3-3.9) per 100 000 population (average decline of 3% per year; annual trend, 0.970; 95% CI, 0.963-0.976), whereas from 1997-2013 (after gun law reforms), the mean rate of total firearm deaths was 1.2 (95% CI, 1.0-1.4) per 100 000 population (average decline of 4.9% per year; annual trend, 0.951; 95% CI, 0.940-0.962), with a ratio of trends in annual death rates of 0.981 (95% CI, 0.968-0.993). There was a statistically significant acceleration in the preexisting downward trend for firearm suicide (ratio of trends, 0.981; 95% CI, 0.970-0.993), but this was not statistically significant for firearm homicide (ratio of trends, 0.975; 95% CI, 0.949-1.001). From 1979-1996, the mean annual rate of total nonfirearm suicide and homicide deaths was 10.6 (95% CI, 10.0-11.2) per 100 000 population (average increase of 2.1% per year; annual trend, 1.021; 95% CI, 1.016-1.026), whereas from 1997-2013, the mean annual rate was 11.8 (95% CI, 11.3-12.3) per 100 000 (average decline of 1.4% per year; annual trend, 0.986; 95% CI, 0.980-0.993), with a ratio of trends of 0.966 (95% CI, 0.958-0.973). There was no evidence of substitution of other lethal methods for suicides or homicides.

Conclusions and Relevance Following enactment of gun law reforms in Australia in 1996, there were no mass firearm killings through May 2016. There was a more rapid decline in firearm deaths between 1997 and 2013 compared with before 1997 but also a decline in total nonfirearm suicide and homicide deaths of a greater magnitude. Because of this, it is not possible to determine whether the change in firearm deaths can be attributed to the gun law reforms.

 

[Fogdog]

Why are you trying to turn this into a discussion about pet adoption, lol? Dog vs gun, dog loses. So I hope whoever the dog protects you from doesn't have one, haha.

A lot of variables there. Plenty of situations where the dog wins.

 

[PadawanWarrior]

A lot of variables there. Plenty of situations where the dog wins.

Hahahahahaha. Gooooood luck, lol. You've seen too many movies man.

 

[cannabineer]

Strict firearm laws reduce gun deaths: here’s the evidence

New Zealand will reform laws after the Christchurch massacre but how has gun control worked in other countries?

www.theguardian.com

Strict firearm laws reduce gun deaths: here’s the evidence
New Zealand will reform laws after the Christchurch massacre but how has gun control worked in other countries?

There have been a number of studies published on the impact of the NFA on firearm-related deaths in Australia. According to a 2011 summary of the research by the Harvard Injury Control Research Centre, a number of studies suggested beneficial effects from the law changes, with a reduction in mass shootings, and a reduction in the rate of firearm-related deaths (both homicides and suicides) overall.

Also if you want research

Gun Law Reforms and Firearm Deaths in Australia

This population epidemiology study uses government statistics to compare the number of mass fatal shootings, firearm deaths, and firearm-related and all-cause homicide and suicides before and after enactment of gun law reforms in Australia in 1996.

jamanetwork.com

Association Between Gun Law Reforms and Intentional Firearm Deaths in Australia, 1979-2013

Key Points
Question What happened to the trend in firearm deaths after Australia introduced extensive gun law reform in 1996, including a ban on semiautomatic rifles and pump-action shotguns?

Findings In the 18 years before the ban, there were 13 mass shootings, whereas in the 20 years following the ban, no mass shootings occurred, and the decline in total firearm deaths accelerated.

Meaning Implementation of a ban on rapid-fire firearms was associated with reductions in mass shootings and total firearm deaths.

Abstract
Importance Rapid-fire weapons are often used by perpetrators in mass shooting incidents. In 1996 Australia introduced major gun law reforms that included a ban on semiautomatic rifles and pump-action shotguns and rifles and also initiated a program for buyback of firearms.

Objective To determine whether enactment of the 1996 gun laws and buyback program were followed by changes in the incidence of mass firearm homicides and total firearm deaths.

Design Observational study using Australian government statistics on deaths caused by firearms (1979-2013) and news reports of mass shootings in Australia (1979–May 2016). Changes in intentional firearm death rates were analyzed with negative binomial regression, and data on firearm-related mass killings were compared.

Exposures Implementation of major national gun law reforms.

Main Outcomes and Measures Changes in mass fatal shooting incidents (defined as ≥5 victims, not including the perpetrator) and in trends of rates of total firearm deaths, firearm homicides and suicides, and total homicides and suicides per 100 000 population.

Results From 1979-1996 (before gun law reforms), 13 fatal mass shootings occurred in Australia, whereas from 1997 through May 2016 (after gun law reforms), no fatal mass shootings occurred. There was also significant change in the preexisting downward trends for rates of total firearm deaths prior to vs after gun law reform. From 1979-1996, the mean rate of total firearm deaths was 3.6 (95% CI, 3.3-3.9) per 100 000 population (average decline of 3% per year; annual trend, 0.970; 95% CI, 0.963-0.976), whereas from 1997-2013 (after gun law reforms), the mean rate of total firearm deaths was 1.2 (95% CI, 1.0-1.4) per 100 000 population (average decline of 4.9% per year; annual trend, 0.951; 95% CI, 0.940-0.962), with a ratio of trends in annual death rates of 0.981 (95% CI, 0.968-0.993). There was a statistically significant acceleration in the preexisting downward trend for firearm suicide (ratio of trends, 0.981; 95% CI, 0.970-0.993), but this was not statistically significant for firearm homicide (ratio of trends, 0.975; 95% CI, 0.949-1.001). From 1979-1996, the mean annual rate of total nonfirearm suicide and homicide deaths was 10.6 (95% CI, 10.0-11.2) per 100 000 population (average increase of 2.1% per year; annual trend, 1.021; 95% CI, 1.016-1.026), whereas from 1997-2013, the mean annual rate was 11.8 (95% CI, 11.3-12.3) per 100 000 (average decline of 1.4% per year; annual trend, 0.986; 95% CI, 0.980-0.993), with a ratio of trends of 0.966 (95% CI, 0.958-0.973). There was no evidence of substitution of other lethal methods for suicides or homicides.

Conclusions and Relevance Following enactment of gun law reforms in Australia in 1996, there were no mass firearm killings through May 2016. There was a more rapid decline in firearm deaths between 1997 and 2013 compared with before 1997 but also a decline in total nonfirearm suicide and homicide deaths of a greater magnitude. Because of this, it is not possible to determine whether the change in firearm deaths can be attributed to the gun law reforms.

Ok show me the data for total deaths from violence

 

[PadawanWarrior]

Why distract from the issue? Why do you feel that a poor family doesnt have the right to protect their home with one gun and that they should be forced by you, at the barrel of a gun(government force) to purchase, care for and feed a dog instead?

I just gotta say thanks for starting this thread. I've had some good laughs man.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Ok show me the data for total deaths from violence

Don't need to, gun violence was reduced and that was the problem and is the problem in America. Historical homicide and assault data is not that hard to find, it would take someone a few minutes with google to demolish your argument. Perhaps someone will try since you left your ass up in the air.

 

[cannabineer]

Don't need to, gun violence was reduced and that was the problem and is the problem in America. Historical homicide and assault data is not that hard to find, it would take someone a few minutes with google to demolish your argument. Perhaps someone will try since you left your ass up in the air.

I challenge you to provide o e if those trivial google references.

 

[abandonconflict]

Read the NRA’s Armed Citizen column.
One of the fundamental weaknesses of your premise is there is no counting the number of violent incidents prevented by the use of civilly-owned firearms.
Your implication runs aground on this rock.

Full retard.