Pandemic Canada 2020 - The response, the issues and problems
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the US isn't slowing the curve..
well we did miss the window of recovery due to Trumpy* freezing for two weeks and literally doing nothing. literally. This pandemic is all him.
every person that dies will have potentially because Donald J. Trump* called it a hoax..and you know what? you hilllbillies are still out here hocking up your lug shit and spitting it where people walk..in the laundry room folding laundry while others are waiting outside to get in..do you fvcking not understand what is going on here?..take your laundry and fold it at home..it's because of you and your selfishness that this will continue.
next time i'm going to leave a note at your sputum site and shame your ass..wait until you see what i'm going to say
selfish hillbilly pigs
I hope your whole family dies!and get yourself some fvcking teeth with the money Trumpy* is sending you, not another Pit Bull you don't need.
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DIY-HP-LED
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I just want to get them into a safe place and keep them there with lots of, sex, beer and dope, they would have trouble removing many of them when I'm done with em! Party harty all summer long, woodstock behind razor wire with lots of infected musicians, it would be the time of their lives...
DIY-HP-LED
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Takes three or four weeks to show up after serious social isolation begins, see the magnitude of the problem with exponential growth. In 8 weeks California, New York, Florida, the PNW and probably Colorado it will be like Hell in the hospitals. Many thousands will die.
serious isolation has yet to begin, friend.
DIY-HP-LED
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It has been for a week or more for many folks, after people start dying en mass on the evening news in a couple of weeks, the law will be the least of the worries of those breaking the social isolation rules. Some people will be shot for acting like morons and endangering others.
Many people have been following guidelines for a couple of weeks now, enough to have an impact.
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DIY-HP-LED
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Canada has tested more than 50,000 people for Covid-19. Is that enough?
It's hard to know how many Canadians have actually been infected with the coronavirus. Health experts disagree about how much that matters.
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Canada has tested more than 50,000 people for Covid-19. Is that enough?
It's hard to know how many Canadians have actually been infected with the coronavirus. Health experts disagree about how much that matters.
A hospital worker is seen at a staff Covid-19 assessment area outside Lions Gate Hospital in North Vancouver on Wednesday. | Jonathan Hayward/The Canadian Press via AP
By MAURA FORREST
03/19/2020 07:04 AM EDT
OTTAWA — Across Canada, provincial health authorities have limited access to coronavirus tests to conserve resources, even as the World Health Organization calls on nations to expand testing to slow the spread of the disease.
Several provinces, including Ontario, Alberta and British Columbia, are instructing people with mild symptoms of Covid-19 to self-isolate rather than seek testing, partly to guard against shortages. But on Wednesday, WHO Director-General Dr. Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus urged countries to "isolate, test, treat and trace."
In Ottawa on Wednesday, chief public health officer Dr. Theresa Tam once again stressed the need to flatten the curve of the virus' spread, pointing to a "sharp rise in cases" during the past week. "This is a signal there is some degree of community spread," she said. "Our time to act is now."
As of Wednesday evening, Canada had recorded nearly 730 confirmed and presumptive cases of Covid-19 and nine deaths, including a first death reported in Quebec earlier that day.
Though the numbers are clearly increasing, health experts say it’s hard to know how many cases there actually are in Canada, since not everyone with symptoms is being tested. But they disagree about how much the real numbers matter. Some point out that the available data shows the rate of spread, if not the total number of people infected, and say as long as people with symptoms self-isolate, Canada has a chance to slow transmission of the virus and prevent hospitals from being overwhelmed.
Others counter that people are less likely to self-isolate if they don’t know whether they have Covid-19, and argue it’s much harder to control the virus when you don’t know exactly where it is.
David Fisman, a professor of epidemiology at the University of Toronto’s Dalla Lana School of Public Health, said testing is the best way to get control of an epidemic early. By the time people start to die, he said, there have likely been generations of transmission that have gone undetected. “And that’s how you get completely hosed by this,” he said.
“The testing is kind of our eyes and ears in terms of what’s happening. … I think we’re missing a ton of this stuff.”
Fisman said the real number of cases in Canada could be much larger than the number on the books. “We have the sense that our positives are increasing exponentially,” he said. “The question is what fraction of the true total cases does that represent.”
Moreover, the cases being confirmed today are likely people who got sick a week ago or more, said University of Toronto epidemiologist Dr. Jeff Kwong. “In an ideal world, we would be testing everybody,” he said. “It’s just the reality is we don’t have the resources to do that.”
Ottawa’s medical officer of health, Dr. Vera Etches, has warned there could be hundreds of undiagnosed cases in the city, though there is still no proof of community transmission. Fisman said that may well be the case in many Canadian cities.
Even if the confirmed cases are a significant underestimate, though, they still give a sense of the virus’ trajectory, said Dr. Brian Conway, medical director of the Vancouver Infectious Diseases Centre. “I think that as long as we keep doing the same thing … the numbers from one day to the next are telling us something about how the epidemic is growing,” he said.
Canada is “actually doing a really good job” at testing, given limited resources, said Jason Kindrachuk, assistant professor at the University of Manitoba and Canada Research Chair in emerging viruses. “I don’t think the overall accuracy of the definitive numbers is really important at this stage,” he said, pointing instead to the importance of social distancing and self-isolation to flatten the curve of the virus' spread.
Still, Dr. William Cherniak, an emergency room physician who has been testing patients for Covid-19 for about a month, said the ideal solution would be a test that people could administer themselves. “My thing is always that knowledge is power,” he said. Self-isolation would be effective “if people really stayed at home for 14 days if they had the symptoms,” he said. But if they haven’t been diagnosed with Covid-19, he believes, they’re less likely to take those instructions seriously.
On Wednesday, Health Minister Patty Hajdu announced Canada has approved two new diagnostic tests to allow provincial labs to expand testing. “Early diagnosis is a critical component of slowing down the spread of the illness and Canadians can be encouraged that Canada has been leading in terms of our testing capacity,” she said.
Certainly, Canada has been doing more testing than the U.S., relative to population size. Tam said Wednesday that more than 50,000 people have been tested for Covid-19 in Canada. Meanwhile, the COVID Tracking Project, a volunteer-run accounting of every coronavirus test administered in the U.S., was reporting a total of about 76,000 tests on Wednesday evening, for a population 10 times the size of Canada's. Still, Canada’s efforts don’t compare to the work being done in South Korea, which now has the ability to test up to 20,000 people a day.
What many Canadians are watching for these days is whether this country is on the same trajectory as Italy was a few weeks ago, before its hospitals were flooded with patients needing emergency care.
If Canada has any chance of avoiding that, Kindrachuk said, now is the time to take social distancing seriously, regardless of the exact number of cases. “It’s the calm before the storm in a lot of ways. We cannot become complacent,” he said. “If we don’t do anything different, we know where this is going.
DrKiz
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Are you speaking to me cause I was joking with you. I’m Canadian. Easy up bud.well we did miss the window of recovery due to Trumpy* freezing for two weeks and literally doing nothing. literally. This pandemic is all him.
every person that dies will have potentially because Donald J. Trump* called it a hoax..and you know what? you hilllbillies are still out here hocking up your lug shit and spitting it where people walk..in the laundry room folding laundry while others are waiting outside to get in..do you fvcking not understand what is going on here?..take your laundry and fold it at home..it's because of you and your selfishness that this will continue.
next time i'm going to leave a note at your sputum site and shame your ass..wait until you see what i'm going to say
selfish hillbilly pigs
and get yourself some fvcking teeth with the money Trumpy* is sending you, not another Pit Bull you don't need.
You're what... advising that a "draft" be something logical? I really, really hope that's not what you meant.
DIY-HP-LED
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I was joking, relax, camp feelgoods for 20 somethings free beer and pot etc
DIY-HP-LED
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You just lock up miscreants who are antisocial and killing vulnerable people, there are laws for that already and they will be enforced. Public attitudes will be much different in a month, the law might be the least of such people's worries.
DIY-HP-LED
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Canada coronavirus death toll jumps almost 50% to 19 in less than a day
OTTAWA — The Canadian death toll from the coronavirus outbreak jumped almost 50% percent to 19 in less than a day, according to official figures released by the fed…
Canada coronavirus death toll jumps almost 50% to 19 in less than a day
OTTAWA — The Canadian death toll from the coronavirus outbreak jumped almost 50% percent to 19 in less than a day, according to official figures released by the federal government on Sunday.
Ottawa said late on Saturday that 13 people had died from the respiratory illness caused by the virus, but by 9 a.m. ET (1300 GMT) on Sunday that number had grown to 19. The number of confirmed cases rose to 1,302 from 1,099, with a further 69 people listed as probably suffering from the highly contagious virus.
Canada has already closed its borders to all but essential travel, announced a C$27 billion aid package for the most affected by the health crisis and is urging people to practice self-isolation.
Health Minister Patty Hajdu said on Saturday that “Canadians need to understand this isn’t about two weeks of social distancing. This is about months of social distancing.”
Nova Scotia on Sunday became the latest of Canada’s 10 provinces to declare a state of emergency, closing its borders to non-residents and threatening to arrest those who did not practice self-distancing.
Premier Stephen McNeil told a news conference that despite warnings to avoid meeting in large groups, people were flocking to provincial parks and other common areas.
“We are dealing with a deadly virus and this behavior is unacceptable,” he said. (Reporting by David Ljunggren; Editing by Daniel Wallis and Bill Berkrot)
DIY-HP-LED
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My backyard, finally, the last province too!
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N.S. declares state of emergency in response to COVID-19
People cannot gather in groups of more than 5; police authorized to enforce social distancing, self-isolation
Nova Scotia declared a state of emergency Sunday morning in the face of COVID-19, limiting social gatherings to no more than five people.
The provincial government held a press conference in Halifax to provide an update.
Police are now authorized to enforce orders under the Health Protection Act related to self-isolation and social distancing, and can issue summary offence tickets for people who do not adhere to those orders.
Justice Minister Mark Furey said the number of people not adhering to social distancing left the province with "no choice" but to authorize police enforcement.
Effective immediately, individuals can be fined $1,000 for each violation of the Health Protection Act. Businesses and corporations can be fined $7,500 for each violation, and for each subsequent day.
Individuals and businesses can be fined on multiple days if they fail to comply with the law.
Businesses can also be fined for charging higher than fair market price for goods and services.
Premier Stephen McNeil said the measures may appear harsh but they are "necessary."
"We are dealing with a deadly virus, and this behaviour is unacceptable," he said.
Essential vs. non-essential
Essential businesses like gas stations, grocery stores and pharmacies are exempt from gathering limits, but families should identify one person to make the trip to minimize how many people are out in public.
Other groups exempt from the gathering limit include construction sites, health-care services, child protection services, criminal justice services and law enforcement.
Shopping malls and non-essential businesses can remain open as long as they adhere to the gathering limit and people are able to keep a distance of two metres.
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N.S. declares state of emergency in response to COVID-19
People cannot gather in groups of more than 5; police authorized to enforce social distancing, self-isolation
Nova Scotia declared a state of emergency Sunday morning in the face of COVID-19, limiting social gatherings to no more than five people.
The provincial government held a press conference in Halifax to provide an update.
Police are now authorized to enforce orders under the Health Protection Act related to self-isolation and social distancing, and can issue summary offence tickets for people who do not adhere to those orders.
Justice Minister Mark Furey said the number of people not adhering to social distancing left the province with "no choice" but to authorize police enforcement.
Effective immediately, individuals can be fined $1,000 for each violation of the Health Protection Act. Businesses and corporations can be fined $7,500 for each violation, and for each subsequent day.
Individuals and businesses can be fined on multiple days if they fail to comply with the law.
Businesses can also be fined for charging higher than fair market price for goods and services.
Premier Stephen McNeil said the measures may appear harsh but they are "necessary."
"We are dealing with a deadly virus, and this behaviour is unacceptable," he said.
Essential vs. non-essential
Essential businesses like gas stations, grocery stores and pharmacies are exempt from gathering limits, but families should identify one person to make the trip to minimize how many people are out in public.
Other groups exempt from the gathering limit include construction sites, health-care services, child protection services, criminal justice services and law enforcement.
Shopping malls and non-essential businesses can remain open as long as they adhere to the gathering limit and people are able to keep a distance of two metres.
Sir Napsalot
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Those greedy checkers?
DIY-HP-LED
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Canada should be on lockdown to stop COVID-19 spread, doctor warns
Dr. Michael Warner is the medical director of critical care at Michael Garron Hospital and says Canada should have enforced a mandatory lockdown from coast to coast a while ago.
Dr. Michael Warner is the medical director of critical care at Michael Garron Hospital and says Canada should have enforced a mandatory lockdown from coast to coast a while ago.
oopsididit
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How about we lock you up for being a pompous ass? Throwing 'antisocial' people in jail in such circumstances could be a death sentence for them. I hope you aren't the one deciding who gets locked up for what.
DIY-HP-LED
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What alternatives to incarceration would you suggest? Freedom to infect others and knowingly cause death and illness in the community?
You need to think a bit more and spout self righteous insults a lot less, Doctors will be deciding who lives and dies soon, playing God, feel like telling them they are pompous and immoral? Well Genius, I'm waiting for your answer in how to deal with sociopaths and such. Perhaps you figured it was ok for people to knowingly spread AIDS and not tell their multiple sex partners? Guess you don't think they should be jailed either, like judges and juries do, pompous ass.
Grow up and spend some time in the real world kid, We await your wise counsel, what would you do about the problem? You obviously disagree with the existing law, you pompous asshole.
Miscreant = A person who behaves badly or in a way that breaks the law. ie. A criminal
As for death sentences we are all under one especially if you are over 60, seniors have a low tolerance for such bullshit.
Using that logic you must believe Bernardo should be released from prison too, along with all the other murders, because their life might be at risk from coronavirus along with the rest of us.
Jesus yer stupid!
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DIY-HP-LED
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Hajdu looking at criminal penalties for travellers who disobey quarantine advice
Self-isolate when you return from a trip with 'no exceptions,' warns health minister
Health Minister Patty Hajdu says she's looking at the option of criminal penalties for Canadian travellers who don't follow the government's advice to self-isolate when they return home.
"Let me be perfectly clear. We will use every measure in our tool box at the federal level to ensure compliance ... we have measures that could include monetary penalties up to and including criminal penalties," she said during her daily briefing on Parliament Hill.
"When we say that you must stay at home for 14 days, that means you stay at home for 14 days. You do not stop for groceries, that you do not go visit your neighbours or your friends, that you rest in your house for 14 days. No exceptions."
The Quarantine Act, which was updated in 2005 after the deadly SARS outbreak, gives the federal health minister the power to designate quarantine zones and fine or jail travellers who disobey quarantine requests.
If a designated quarantine officer believes that a traveller has refused to isolate themselves, they can ask a peace officer to arrest the traveller and bring them into quarantine.
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"And I'm hoping we don't have to get to ordering them," she said.
"It is critically important, especially for those returning home now, to ensure that they follow this public health advice that we're giving them. The advice will be not just advice — if we need to take stronger measures we will."
More Canadians are expected to make it home in the coming days.
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said WestJet will run more than 30 flights from Monday to Wednesday to bring home Canadians stuck abroad back.
Trudeau said stronger federal measures are on the table under the Emergencies Act, but for now Ottawa is working with the provinces who are restricting movement on their own.
Quebec City police arrest woman who tested positive
Nova Scotia declared a state of emergency Sunday morning, joining several other provinces, including British Columbia, Alberta and Ontario, in doing so.
Premier Stephen McNeil said he made the decision to limit gatherings to no more than five people after people flagrantly ignored public health officials' calls for social distancing.
"Hundreds gathering on our beaches and in our parks, large groups of people congregating, young people playing street hockey, cars parked everywhere, people disregarding law enforcement," he said.
"We are dealing with a deadly virus and this behaviour is unacceptable."
Police in that province can now issue summary offence tickets for people who are not adhering to orders related to self-isolation and social distancing.
On Friday, Quebec City police arrested a woman who tested positive for the coronavirus after she went out for a walk, violating a quarantine order
Provincial police in Ontario have warned that people will face fines for violating orders to close certain businesses and to limit gatherings, while Saskatchewan Premier Scott Moe suggested citizens who know of anyone not self-isolating after returning from international travel should call police.
The Northwest Territories is banning non-essential travel into the territory. It logged its first positive case of COVID-19.
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DIY-HP-LED
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Global National: March 22, 2020 | Cracking down to control the spread of COVID-19
Governments are cracking down across Canada this weekend as more and more provinces are putting measures in place in an attempt to better control the spread of COVID-19. Ross Lord reports on Nova Scotia declaring a state of emergency with strict new rules and penalties for those not practicing social distancing. Meanwhile, Mike Armstrong looks at what other provinces are doing – and not doing – to prevent people from ignoring social distancing and self-isolation guidelines. Jeff Semple reports on the difficulty our health care workers face in the COVID-19 pandemic, as they face a critical shortage of life-saving supplies, while Amanda Jelowicki explains how funeral homes are helping grieving families lay loved ones to rest when social gatherings are meant to be limited. As many of us experience what it’s like to be in self-isolation for the first time, Robin Gill has a message from a famous Canadian – former astronaut Chris Hadfield – about how to make the most of your time inside. To bring some levity to a difficult situation, Mike Drolet looks at the good deeds some Canadians are doing to support their communities during a tough time.
Governments are cracking down across Canada this weekend as more and more provinces are putting measures in place in an attempt to better control the spread of COVID-19. Ross Lord reports on Nova Scotia declaring a state of emergency with strict new rules and penalties for those not practicing social distancing. Meanwhile, Mike Armstrong looks at what other provinces are doing – and not doing – to prevent people from ignoring social distancing and self-isolation guidelines. Jeff Semple reports on the difficulty our health care workers face in the COVID-19 pandemic, as they face a critical shortage of life-saving supplies, while Amanda Jelowicki explains how funeral homes are helping grieving families lay loved ones to rest when social gatherings are meant to be limited. As many of us experience what it’s like to be in self-isolation for the first time, Robin Gill has a message from a famous Canadian – former astronaut Chris Hadfield – about how to make the most of your time inside. To bring some levity to a difficult situation, Mike Drolet looks at the good deeds some Canadians are doing to support their communities during a tough time.