hey you science bros...need answer

[Thundercat]

I shouldn't say I didn't get high off them, but rather they didn't make me noticeably higher. I had usually smoked as well, but some of them I've had did really get me "more" stoned. I don't know, I just chalked it up to them being weakly made. I've had some that you eat 3 cookies, and your ripped for hours.

 

[gogrow]

due to the illegality of said plant in question, there has not been extensive research into exactly what all those cannabanoids actually do... sad fact

 

[anotherchance]

maybe not in north america but in other parts of the world there has been a shit load of research done into all aspects of this plant

 

[KaliKitsune]

Haha, you guys are all bitching at each other so much. There is a clear cut right and wrong answer in this situation, however.

No, you can't just eat a nug of weed and get high. It can't happen.

In order to make THC psychoactive, it has to be decarboxylated; basically, it has to be heated to a certain temperature before it gets you high. BigBudBalls all ready brought that up.

That's why brownies, cookies, and the whole butter-making process are all effective methods of getting high; similarly, resin, because it has been burned, could get you high if you ate it. FDD has a thread on making edible hash by baking it in the oven, too.

Secondly, THC is soluble in oil, fat, etc; they don't break it down, but it stays in solution with them; again, this is how weed butter works. Unfortunately, THC is not water soluble, which is why weed tea does not work.

WRONG.

You make straight honey oil without needing to heat up pot.

Now you eat a straight gram of honey oil and tell me you don't get high.

DO IT. I'LL BET YOU TEN GRAND YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT HIT YOU.

Heat is *ONE* way to activate THC. Acid isomerization is another. Akaloid modification is yet another.

GO BACK TO SCHOOL AND TAKE BIOCHEMISTRY. Actually, LEARN ABOUT THE LIVER and how it functions, first.

This is your teacher, and this has been your lesson for the day.

Don't make me assign homework, as I'll start scanning medical journals and I really doubt you could understand 1/5 of the terminology. I took Latin for my high school years foreign language, therefore I understand it (and the law) perfectly.

 

[gogrow]

maybe not in north america but in other parts of the world there has been a shit load of research done into all aspects of this plant

please prove me wrong, but i dont think the little bit of research that has went on (to date) on marijuana is enough to be called a shitload... we are bio-engineering corn, but we dont know what the chemicals in weed do, or even really how they do it?? i do agree that in the last few years that there has been an explosion in medical research on the plant, but nowhere near actually understanding it.

 

[omnombudsman]

haha, that's funny. I had heat is one of...and then I took it out. Still, it seems as if I had more to learn, as my knowledge of the other methods are sketchy. Thanks for providing more stuff to learn, albeit in a rude way.

 

[KaliKitsune]

rudeness wasn't intended. sadly text cannot convey accurately the emotion behind a post.

Most of it was to sound slightly sarcastic, minus the facts.

Although, I wasn't joking about taking a biochemistry class. Seriously, it's a lack of biochemistry that's really holding back the furtherance of cannabis cultivation. Once you understand biochemistry, there's a world of new possibilities with pot. Like making a THC-laced lubricant and get the oil for lubricant from the seeds, screw your girl, get her high as fuck, literally. (I own the patent on that so don't try stealing the idea.)

 

[omnombudsman]

That's understandable. Haha, I shouldn't have even said anything. My bruised ego was the cause behind that "rude" jab. Still, though, it bothers me to realize that I am part of the main problem that I constantly criticize this forum for. I truly believe that RIU is one of the top resources out there for learning how to grow, but I've always hated the way people spout shit without really knowing what they're talking about; looks like I just did that.

Oh well, I'll get better some day.

That's hilarious and awesome. I actually don't have to "go back," so to speak, and take a biochemistry class as I am in college right now; maybe I'll check it out though.

Now, you mention that biochemistry would help one learn about cannabis cultivation; did you mean strictly the plant propagation/horticulture aspect, or do you mean that biochemistry would help find more uses for THC/other related cannabinoids?

It's just unfortunate that research on weed is so restricted, in terms of who can carry it out.

 

[omnombudsman]

yeah so I re-read the previous post, and I got bitch-slapped basically. Take your enjoyment from where you want to, I guess.

 

[Thundercat]

I would love to be able to go back to school, and exactly for this reason. Thanks for that info Kalikitsune. I'd really like to go take some biochemistry classes, and botany classes. Unfortunately as of yet I am unable to afford to. I really think that it will improve both my growing, and hopefully in the future my breeding efforts with cannabis. Any other courses that you might suggest to round out my curriculum?

 

[ElBarto]

A lot of heat and very little light in this thread.

I remember one time I was in the pub at lunchtime and I wanted to get a buzz on and there was nowhere to skin up or smoke so I swallowed a chunk of hash. Nothing happened. Damn!

Three or four hours later I was at my folks house. We had tea and then about half an hour later I was stoned off my ass. The active ingredient wouldn't dissolve in the beer I was drinking at lunch time, but as soon as I got some fats in my tummy, bingo!

 

[MrJDGaF]

May I suggest quantum physics that way we can skip the grow and just replicate everything we want in a Star Trek style

 

[Thundercat]

I think that I will pass on anything related to star trek thanks. I also don't think quantum physics will do me any good in my garden.

 

[KaliKitsune]

"Now, you mention that biochemistry would help one learn about cannabis cultivation; did you mean strictly the plant propagation/horticulture aspect, or do you mean that biochemistry would help find more uses for THC/other related cannabinoids?"

Both, actually. the more people can understand the plant and it's processes, and the more they know about the human body, then the better off they are all around not only in making products but also recognizing just what can affect a person. THC is the main cannabinoid that gets us high and works, but there are other cannabinoids that have other uses. Perhaps we could grow certain strains with increased levels of those cannabinoids for specific medical uses? I think it'd be the shit to have patients come in with a prescription for a cannabinoid TYPE and we just hand them a strain of pot bred for high levels of that cannabinoid.

See what I'm saying? We can increase the potential value of the plant many times over

 

[Thundercat]

Thats exactly what I'd like to learn to do. Isolate the specific attributes of certain plants, to maximize their benefits.

 

[bilbobaggins]

+Rep JDGaf for that excellent find!!!

Uncle Bilbo,You started out great, then made a complete fool out of yourself. Do you think that an entire generation got together and made up the whole "pot brownies" thing? They did, and they did it just to fuck with you! I have personally taken a bag (ounce) of mexican dirt weed (thats what we called schwag back before wheels were round) and made brownies. Not only did it totally fuck us up (REALLY stoned) I was high as hell for about 8 hours and woke up high the next morning. Making brownies is a great diversion to smoking!
You'll probably be the one who says you can't get a buzz smoking males, or leaves. I'd love to be there when you manicure.
Oh, and THC is oil and alcohol SOLUBLE. It is just dissolved not broken down. And it is stored by the body in fatty tissue. THC does "break down" into other alkaloids, but by another process. Heat and light definitely come into play there.

Granted, THC is activated by heat, and that temperature is just below the combustion point. Thats how a vaporizer works. Get it just hot enough to activate the pot, but not enough to actually burn. Heat from the oven doesn't seem to affect it in any way but good. Thats not science I'm quoting, it's personal experience, and LOTS of it.

To my knowledge, there hasn't been that in depth research to determine which effect is caused by which alkaloid. I'm sure that there are way too many variables to determine that. It would be really cool tho, we could breed strains that could be zeroed in on what we wanted. Personally, I'd get rid of that whole cottonmouth thing. Med people could not only get pain relief, they could make even the sickest chemo patient hungry and eat.

thanks for the neg rep guys but i think i was misunderstood and/or i didnt express my thoughts clearly (im never sober on here, and it seems a few of you wouldnt be so damned argumentative if you werent either, chill back and enjoy the plant of life) but to what i was saying is that you cant just take a bud out of the bag, eat it, and expect anything to happen, baking cannibus with any other food item changes the whole game guys.. sorry for causing problems, this blunts for you guys...

 

[gogrow]

well i sent a +to try to counter all the negativity you have recieved.... hope it helps some

 

[KaliKitsune]

"you cant just take a bud out of the bag, eat it, and expect anything to happen"

Yes, you can. Your liver will convert Delta-9 THC into Delta-8 or Delta-11 THC, both of which are more potent than regular Delta-9.

Ever have to eat all your weed cuz the cops ere gonna bust ya? I have!

But you're going to have one heck of a stomach cramp if you eat even an 8th raw.

 

[gogrow]

"you cant just take a bud out of the bag, eat it, and expect anything to happen"

Yes, you can. Your liver will convert Delta-9 THC into Delta-8 or Delta-11 THC, both of which are more potent than regular Delta-9.

Ever have to eat all your weed cuz the cops ere gonna bust ya? I have!

But you're going to have one heck of a stomach cramp if you eat even an 8th raw.

i've only eaten raw weed once.... on the job, had about 5 roaches and noway to smoke them, so i ate em... bad move; had to go sit down for awhile cause it messed up muh tummy

 

[bilbobaggins]

yes i have had to eat almost an eighth of some dank nuggs before when i saw lights in my rearview... which is where i validate my point, i barely got anything aside from a upset stomach, which was fixed by smoking after i got to where i was going a few hours later. had i smoked that eighth as fast as i had eaten it i would have been retarted