rkymtnman
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new part of the PPE guidelines: mask, gloves, baton.Now that's how you enforce stay at home mandates
Pandemic 2020
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Jimdamick
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TacoMac
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Jimdamick
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I've read about these psychopathic/sociopathic miscreants in the news lately, and I find it both sad, and amusing.
Sad for the damage they are inflicting on people who don't need extra shit to deal with, but funny because they are all going to jail for a minimum of 4 years on Domestic Terrorism charges.
I wonder if they think it was still funny after 4 years in jail ?
DIY-HP-LED
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Now that many Americans are home and idle, they must be watching more TV, and since they are used to getting up early in the morning they probably caught this. I think this represents an emerging consensus in America among a clear majority of people, Trump will be down to his hardcore base by november. Joe will sweep the country, if he survives until the election, he just has to keep breathing to win.
Many here feel the same way as these guys do, I can see it in your posts, a large majority of Americans feel the same way.
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Country Struggles To Catch Up As It Reaches Grim Milestone | Morning Joe | MSNBC
Many here feel the same way as these guys do, I can see it in your posts, a large majority of Americans feel the same way.
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Country Struggles To Catch Up As It Reaches Grim Milestone | Morning Joe | MSNBC
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A grocery store threw out $35,000 in food that a woman intentionally coughed on, sparking coronavirus fears, police said
Police said they don't believe the woman is infected with the virus, but they'll make sure she gets tested anyway.
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Budzbuddha
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James Dyson designed a new ventilator in 10 days. He’s making 15,000 for the coronavirus pandemic fight .... 10 days !
Dyson has received an order from the UK government for 10,000 ventilators to support efforts by the country’s National Health Service to treat coronaviruspatients. James Dyson is a British inventor and industrial designer .
James Dyson, the company’s billionaire founder, confirmed the order in a letter to employees shared with CNN on Wednesday.
Note : This is the kind of effort and brainstorming that companies should look into , instead of waiting for miracles.
I praise the ingenuity in this time of crisis ..... and hopefully other companies will look into similar offerings.
“A ventilator supports a patient who is no longer able to maintain their own airways, but sadly there is currently a significant shortage, both in the UK and other countries around the world,” Dyson wrote.
Dyson said the company had designed and built an entirely new ventilator, called the “CoVent,” since he received a call 10 days ago from UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson. A remarkable feat on it own.
“This new device can be manufactured quickly, efficiently and at volume,” Dyson added, saying that the new ventilator has been designed to “address the specific needs” of coronavirus patients.
A spokesperson for the company, which is best known for its vacuum cleaners and hand dryers, said the ventilators would be ready by early April. Dyson, who has wealth worth $10 billion according to Bloomberg, wrote in his letter that he would also donate 5,000 units to the international effort to tackle the pandemic.
“The core challenge was how to design and deliver a new, sophisticated medical product in volume and in an extremely short space of time,” he added. “The race is now on to get it into production.”
In the United States, Ford has announced that it’s working with 3M and GE Healthcare to produce medical equipment including ventilators and protective gear. GM and Tesla have also pledged to make ventilators.
Dyson has received an order from the UK government for 10,000 ventilators to support efforts by the country’s National Health Service to treat coronaviruspatients. James Dyson is a British inventor and industrial designer .
James Dyson, the company’s billionaire founder, confirmed the order in a letter to employees shared with CNN on Wednesday.
Note : This is the kind of effort and brainstorming that companies should look into , instead of waiting for miracles.
I praise the ingenuity in this time of crisis ..... and hopefully other companies will look into similar offerings.
“A ventilator supports a patient who is no longer able to maintain their own airways, but sadly there is currently a significant shortage, both in the UK and other countries around the world,” Dyson wrote.
Dyson said the company had designed and built an entirely new ventilator, called the “CoVent,” since he received a call 10 days ago from UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson. A remarkable feat on it own.
“This new device can be manufactured quickly, efficiently and at volume,” Dyson added, saying that the new ventilator has been designed to “address the specific needs” of coronavirus patients.
A spokesperson for the company, which is best known for its vacuum cleaners and hand dryers, said the ventilators would be ready by early April. Dyson, who has wealth worth $10 billion according to Bloomberg, wrote in his letter that he would also donate 5,000 units to the international effort to tackle the pandemic.
“The core challenge was how to design and deliver a new, sophisticated medical product in volume and in an extremely short space of time,” he added. “The race is now on to get it into production.”
In the United States, Ford has announced that it’s working with 3M and GE Healthcare to produce medical equipment including ventilators and protective gear. GM and Tesla have also pledged to make ventilators.
Jimdamick
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How the fuck did we get here?
Was it the greedy Pub's that wanted tax cuts & would vote for anyone or anything that would give it too them, or was it simply a shit load of sheep that bought into that carnival barker named Trump?
Fucking scumbag leeches & dumb as fuck morons seemingly won, and are/have run the country straight into the ground with they're wholehearted support of Trump.
If there's one positive note in this calamity, and that is that Trump & the Republican party in general should be finished this November.
If it's not, I'm going back to Ireland & get the fuck outta here, because I don't want to die amongst assholes.
I almost left for Canada back in 1974 to get away from Vietnam, and again in 1980 to get away from Reagan & the latest was with GW, but now, if Trump is re-elected I'm gone.
I'll live like a Tinker in a fucking covered wagon, I really don't give a fuck anymore, but I'll be damned if I die under Trump's rule
Anyway, most of my posts are going to have music incorporated into them now, I'm just into that state of mind at this time so get used to it.
Here's a good tune
Was it the greedy Pub's that wanted tax cuts & would vote for anyone or anything that would give it too them, or was it simply a shit load of sheep that bought into that carnival barker named Trump?
Fucking scumbag leeches & dumb as fuck morons seemingly won, and are/have run the country straight into the ground with they're wholehearted support of Trump.
If there's one positive note in this calamity, and that is that Trump & the Republican party in general should be finished this November.
If it's not, I'm going back to Ireland & get the fuck outta here, because I don't want to die amongst assholes.
I almost left for Canada back in 1974 to get away from Vietnam, and again in 1980 to get away from Reagan & the latest was with GW, but now, if Trump is re-elected I'm gone.
I'll live like a Tinker in a fucking covered wagon, I really don't give a fuck anymore, but I'll be damned if I die under Trump's rule
Anyway, most of my posts are going to have music incorporated into them now, I'm just into that state of mind at this time so get used to it.
Here's a good tune
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Fogdog
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Umm,
Boris says it's great. So, let's hook up my Mom to it.
Yeah, I'm having difficulty with the idea of waiving testing and skimping verifying quality control in manufacturing.
First, do no harm.
Unclebaldrick
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But disruption is so hot right now.
Fogdog
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Yeah, disruption is just what we need in ICU right now.
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DIY-HP-LED
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I don't know why he had to reinvent the wheel here, a proven design would be best, the government has the power to allow them to make anything they want. The time frames mentioned in the article seem completely unrealistic too, we will see soon enough, april is not far away and an untried design is about to be put to the test in a big way. Hopefully experts looked this thing over or will in the coming days, we will hear a lot more from across the pond. A lot of critical steps have been jumped over here, a proven design would be best IMHO.
DIY-HP-LED
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Maybe Dyson's team designed it with their current mass manufacturing capability in mind so that they could produce large numbers quickly from existing resources. That must be the reason for the design of the Dyson McVentilator. I hope the fucking thing works, better than the alternative, certain death. They will need to modify production on the fly as the inevitable problems and shortcomings become apparent with use.
Fogdog
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There are reasons why major manufacturers of this equipment say they can't make more than what they've promised. Now is not the time to ignore harsh lessons learned in the past.
I've been through similar though not as deadly situations like this. I have experience when an ignorant boss has pushed past well thought out procedures. From those fuck ups, I can easily see that Boris is making things worse, not better by forcing decisions down from the top like that. What Boris is doing is covering his ass because he delayed shelter in place orders and the UK is now a hot spot for the epidemic. Unfortunately, this politically expediant reaction is going to dilute resources and end up killing people.
I completely support the idea of major investment into ramping up manufacturing of qualified sources for this and other equipment. We have many months to go before this crisis is over. So, OF COURSE we need to make as many ventilators as possible to handle successive waves of new cases as we slowly re-start economic activities. In fact, readiness to handle the expansion in cases should be part of the criteria for easing shelter in place orders. What we don't need is a clusterfuck in ICU while exhausted staff try to deal with new, hastily made equipment.
Dyson has made more than 5000 failed products along the way too. In Silicon Valley, it's called "fake it 'till you make it". That model is OK when lives aren't on the line.
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Budzbuddha
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If you listen carefully you can hear cough ... just open an elevator shaft snd toss in.This is how the Chinese handle they're Stay at Home rules
Why not? No one else is doing anything. I heard an engineer tell us all the reasons why we can't turn car manufacturer's into ventilator manufacturing.
Glass half full, men.
Budzbuddha
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The fast track in ventilator designs isn’t the issue. Its trump hobbling the effort. FDA is just another hurdle in a rather simple design , as a matter of fact an “ open source project “ has flooded online to have ANYONE with engineering , industrial design , 3D manufacturing to add ANY type of design for quick design and possible implementation...... from simple electro-mechanical devices that power manual resuscitation bags to full metered oxygen mixing devices .... to discount ANY companies or technical inventor effort to due what they can shouldn’t be frowned on and nit picked .... what recourse do we have ?
In combat , medics often “ improvised “ , Apollo 11 did too , maybe some of you are not aware when you broke a leg some time ago , you would splint the damn thing with a stick .......it’s not a very complicated device when one looks at the basics of its design. Even some devices use Goodyear air pumps internally . The PCB are designed for flow control and sensor alarms , something a fucking Rasberry could tackle. Some have Aur / Oxygen intermix chambers , but simple resuscitation devices could also help when staff cannot manually pump a bag. Even some citizens are 3d modeling face shields in 400 count runs . Here in Los Angeles one of the biggest Tshirt manufactures are making layered face masks for anyone in need like law enforcement, hospital staff , etc.
These stories I post shouldn’t be kicked down as frivolous attempts, if I had the skill in design , I would try to look into a solution just to help ..... because I would rather have a fighting chance than “ wait for a miracle “.
Fuck the FDA and the red tape , most of you should already know this overseer takes their sweet time on medications and products all the time. We should be thrilled that someone somewhere could provide some help , Nero obviously won’t.
In combat , medics often “ improvised “ , Apollo 11 did too , maybe some of you are not aware when you broke a leg some time ago , you would splint the damn thing with a stick .......it’s not a very complicated device when one looks at the basics of its design. Even some devices use Goodyear air pumps internally . The PCB are designed for flow control and sensor alarms , something a fucking Rasberry could tackle. Some have Aur / Oxygen intermix chambers , but simple resuscitation devices could also help when staff cannot manually pump a bag. Even some citizens are 3d modeling face shields in 400 count runs . Here in Los Angeles one of the biggest Tshirt manufactures are making layered face masks for anyone in need like law enforcement, hospital staff , etc.
These stories I post shouldn’t be kicked down as frivolous attempts, if I had the skill in design , I would try to look into a solution just to help ..... because I would rather have a fighting chance than “ wait for a miracle “.
Fuck the FDA and the red tape , most of you should already know this overseer takes their sweet time on medications and products all the time. We should be thrilled that someone somewhere could provide some help , Nero obviously won’t.
DIY-HP-LED
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Respect knowledge and experience, they are the professionals when it comes to this, however there is vehement disagreement among them over this particular issue. Time and future studies will tell who was on the right side of history on the issue of mass produced ventilators, the pessimists or the optimists.
The people needed to operate them with minimal training will be an issue however, assuming it works.
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