WinterSoldier89
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No way 2kg of oil, what is that picture of? I bet that's a coconut oil blend! I hope you dont mind i downloaded a picture of it so my buddies can try and figure how you got your oil that colour.
NO defoliation appreciation thread.
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GC_Mospeada
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Yeah dude, 2kg is a massive underestimate...I had around 8 ozs of this popcorn stuff...it's only 14g per 250g block of copha (99% hydrogenated coconut oil)
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WinterSoldier89
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cant see the photo, its to small. But thanks you for your expertese.
GC_Mospeada
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You should be able to find an equivalent product...Just check that it's hydrogenated.
Copha
Copha is vegetable shortening made of solidified coconut oil. It was developed in Australia back in 1933 and became popular for use in their recipe for Chocolate Crackles. See substitutes, best for chocolate crackles.
WinterSoldier89
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oh i can see it now, i can see why you defoliate now.
GC_Mospeada
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More foliage porn.
SnidleyBluntash
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There is a podcast which says that leaves that don’t get enough light become ‘sinks’ which actually consume energy to stay up and running. These leaves would be worth removing.
Budget Buds
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Everybody has different strokes. I can do an lb in about 4 hrs. but it varies from strain to strain and whether its dry or wet. I wet trim cause its easier. dry goes faster cause it just breaks off but it takes longer to do a good job
I disagree and agree to a point , My experience has shown me noticeable differences in usable yield across a spectrum of different strains. More usable product and less bs larf. if you count airy larfy garbage as yield then sure I surmise that defoliation does in fact reduce yields, but do you want more garbage to be able to show a bigger number that is false when you have to remove an extra 200 grams of garbage that no one would use Or a smaller number that more accurately shows what you got of usable product?
For me the benefits are more then the number, I have no airflow or light issues down low , I dont have to use up space on a drying rack with garbage, I am using the nutrients on the targeted areas that produce real product. I use less nutrients and water and my environment is more stable.
To each there own but letting the lower leaves to just die and fall off of there own accord isnt really doing you or the plants any favors, It is a vector point for disease ,pests, mold and ultimately just increases workload .
Like I said to each there own but from a "logic" standpoint it isnt very logical IMO. Not trying to change any minds, Just looking at things from a different viewpoint
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GC_Mospeada
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Your points would be fair for any regular grower, however most growers don't know how to feed their plants so they're naturally resistant to pests and mold. A super healthy plant will be super resistant to any problem versus an average health plant.Everybody has different strokes. I can do an lb in about 4 hrs. but it varies from strain to strain and whether its dry or wet. I wet trim cause its easier. dry goes faster cause it just breaks off but it takes longer to do a good job
I disagree and agree to a point , My experience has shown me noticeable differences in usable yield across a spectrum of different strains. More usable product and less bs larf. if you count airy larfy garbage as yield then sure I surmise that defoliation does in fact reduce yields, but do you want more garbage to be able to show a bigger number that is false when you have to remove an extra 200 grams of garbage that no one would use Or a smaller number that more accurately shows what you got of usable product?
For me the benefits are more then the number, I have no airflow or light issues down low , I dont have to use up space on a drying rack with garbage, I am using the nutrients on the targeted areas that produce real product. I use less nutrients and water and my environment is more stable.
To each there own but letting the lower leaves to just die and fall off of there own accord isnt really doing you or the plants any favors, It is a vector point for disease ,pests, mold and ultimately just increases workload .
Like I said to each there own but from a "logic" standpoint it isnt very logical IMO. Not trying to change any minds, Just looking at things from a different viewpoint
GC_Mospeada
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Also, I'm on track for 4lbs on this grow. Eight plants, eight weeks of flowering four weeks veg in a 4 X 8 tent. I wouldn't be getting close to that if I defolled. My aim is to shoot for six as an upper limit as I reckon 4 lbs is being somewhat conservative but I'll know in 35 days on harvest
GC_Mospeada
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Also, I don't have an issue with undersized top cola's.Everybody has different strokes. I can do an lb in about 4 hrs. but it varies from strain to strain and whether its dry or wet. I wet trim cause its easier. dry goes faster cause it just breaks off but it takes longer to do a good job
I disagree and agree to a point , My experience has shown me noticeable differences in usable yield across a spectrum of different strains. More usable product and less bs larf. if you count airy larfy garbage as yield then sure I surmise that defoliation does in fact reduce yields, but do you want more garbage to be able to show a bigger number that is false when you have to remove an extra 200 grams of garbage that no one would use Or a smaller number that more accurately shows what you got of usable product?
For me the benefits are more then the number, I have no airflow or light issues down low , I dont have to use up space on a drying rack with garbage, I am using the nutrients on the targeted areas that produce real product. I use less nutrients and water and my environment is more stable.
To each there own but letting the lower leaves to just die and fall off of there own accord isnt really doing you or the plants any favors, It is a vector point for disease ,pests, mold and ultimately just increases workload .
Like I said to each there own but from a "logic" standpoint it isnt very logical IMO. Not trying to change any minds, Just looking at things from a different viewpoint
GC_Mospeada
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This is the best defolled grow I've found so far. The only grow where I don't think he would have gotten much more out of. I reckon they defolled for plant health > an idea it will increase yield. Even then his numbers are skewed as he kept the buds on the stems when he weighed it. Cheater.
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Thundercat
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He should have let that plant actually finish and his numbers would have been 20% higher. That plant was chopped weeks early, and it also looks like he's weighing wet which is just lame.This is the best defolled grow I've found so far. The only grow where I don't think he would have gotten much more out of. I reckon they defolled for plant health > an idea it will increase yield. Even then his numbers are skewed as he kept the buds on the stems when he weighed it. Cheater.
Fast Buds Green Crack Auto grow journal by rhodes68 - GrowDiaries
"The Crack of Dawn " cannabis grow journal. Strains: Fast Buds Green Crack Auto by rhodes68. Grow room 1, growing in . Harvest yield, seeds review, grow details.
GC_Mospeada
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This is super important...A leaf will NEVER revert back to being a sink once it becomes a source. A source can still store nutrients but it will actively be creating food for the plant even when it is storing nutrients. Also a plant takes up 80% of it's nitrogen needs in the first half of it's life cycle. If you're taking away sinks, the plant will have to grow new leaves to compensate for that loss.
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GC_Mospeada
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Yep, well like I said this is the best defolled grow I could find...If you know of any good examples I'm happy for yah to show photos or link to a journal.
GC_Mospeada
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These two points highlight the importance of sinks. They're not useless things for the plant, but necessary for it's overall development.
- In the middle of the growing season, actively photosynthesizing mature leaves and stems serve as sources, producing excess sugars which are transported to sinks where sugar use is high. Sinks during the growing season include areas of active growth meristems, new leaves, and reproductive structures. Sinks also include sugar storage locations, such as roots, tubers, or bulbs. At the end of the growing season, the plant will drop leaves and no longer have actively photosynthesizing tissues.
- Early at the start of the next growing season, a plant must resume growth after dormancy (winter or dry season). Because the plant has no existing leaves, its only source of sugar for growth is the sugar stored in roots, tubers, or bulbs from the last growing season. These storage sites now serve as sources, while actively developing leaves are sinks. Once the leaves mature, they will become sources of sugar during the growing season.
GC_Mospeada
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Sinks during the growing season include areas of active growth meristems, "new leaves", and reproductive structures.
So if you're taking off lower leaves thinking they were sinks you'd be wrong anyway.
So if you're taking off lower leaves thinking they were sinks you'd be wrong anyway.
Thundercat
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Nope I don't have any links to good defol grows.
I'm a fan of selective pruning during veg to help control where the plant sends its energy. I think it can help limit or eliminate larfy lower growth, and can be used to help shape a plant during training. I might remove small sucker branches from specific spots and some inner growth nodes that won't ever get much light or that restrict air flow through the canopy. I don't usually remove many leaves though. That being said I'm also a big fan of growing many small single cola plants rather then spending time vegging big plants and training them. With the single cola plants I usually prune the bottom-most branches to encourage upward growth instead of outward growth, and that's about it. They don't produce tons of fan leaves and need the ones they have.
Once plants are going into flower I try to leave them alone for the most part, and let them have as stress-free of a life as possible, with as many resources at their disposal as possible.
PadawanWarrior
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Just wondering if you have any advice for me so I can grow a plant like that, lol. She's a beauty man.would this be considered trimming, lollipopping or defoliation....or all three
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