NO defoliation appreciation thread.

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Gond00s

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well my mom called me at 3 am (I was 21) and said god woke her up and told her something was wrong with me. Then after picking me up it was praying and preaching for the 1 hour drive back to her house. I don’t advocate using acid to anyone ever.
damn nah I had some voidrealms those had amazing visuals the body feel was their to which was cool but I was pretty out of it but u were fucked out of it cuz :eyesmoke: just don't smoke and do cid that shit amps it up
 

Wattzzup

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damn nah I had some voidrealms those had amazing visuals the body feel was their to which was cool but I was pretty out of it but u were fucked out of it cuz :eyesmoke: just don't smoke and do cid that shit amps it up
I also didn’t realize it takes a while to really feel the effect by the time I realized that I was on number 4. Yeah it was terrible. Don’t do drugs
 

Gond00s

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I also didn’t realize it takes a while to really feel the effect by the time I realized that I was on number 4. Yeah it was terrible. Don’t do drugs
yikes four well honestly I prob would have done that many if I had more tabs because I did the second one and I felt nothing and I wanted to pop another two after the second one but thank lord I didn't have more I would have really had a bad time
 

raggyb

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Maybe a dumb question but by prune I assume you mean branches “larf” etc. do you also mean leaves aka defol and if so how much?
oops I used the prune word, lol. i mean say one big ass fan leaf is blocking light from a bud sight. i DEFOLIATE that one leaf, will the bud at that sight be more sticky since it gets more light. theory said was it won't be bigger due to photosynthesis because buds don't photosynthesize, leaves do. but i'm asking if it will be STICKIER...:)
 

Gond00s

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and im still looking for golden teacher spores :roll: im about to settle for anything at this point lol Ive been wanting to do a run of them and see how that goes
 

spek9

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I also didn’t realize it takes a while to really feel the effect by the time I realized that I was on number 4. Yeah it was terrible. Don’t do drugs
LOL. Most experience that... "I don't feel it man, I'm going to eat nine more cookies!". An hour later "bwhwwwhhhh I..... can't.... move...".

I use edibles in a rationed dose nearly every day for my restless leg syndrome, about an hour and a half before I go to bed. If I'm not feeling like eating, I vape instead.

Here's a fun fact: Not everyone can feel the effects of edibles. That's a research topic in and of itself :)
 

Gond00s

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LOL. Most experience that... "I don't feel it man, I'm going to eat nine more cookies!". An hour later "bwhwwwhhhh I..... can't.... move...".

I use edibles in a rationed dose nearly every day for my restless leg syndrome, about an hour and a half before I go to bed. If I'm not feeling like eating, I vape instead.

Here's a fun fact: Not everyone can feel the effects of edibles. That's a research topic in and of itself :)
hehehe once they start kicking in you know :eyesmoke:
 

Mr.Head

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dude wrote his own Urban Dictionary entry my guy
 

raggyb

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The popcorns on the remaining lower branches are just as good to smoke as they are for edibles.

When you harvest, keep a bowl off to the side specifically for your quality sugar leaf trimmings and small buds. Now you have a high-quality "shake" pile of cannabis.

"shake" gets a bad name. My shake has near or the same efficacy that the bud does. Looks different, but after grinding, it's all the same :)

Personally, I make edibles and tinctures with my shake for the most part. It's common for me to get one oz of "shake" for every 3-1/2oz of bud I harvest. I go a bit overboard on throwing things into the "cook bowl" (as I call it) as opposed to classifying it as "baggable".
so just for my personal closure, are you more of a heavy defoliator, or a light one? string is to long to look back. cuz i want to know which one you do and you get the same strength on the lowers. just for another data point.
 

Wattzzup

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yikes four well honestly I prob would have done that many if I had more tabs because I did the second one and I felt nothing and I wanted to pop another two after the second one but thank lord I didn't have more I would have really had a bad time
Exactly what happened, did two, then one more cause I wasn’t “feeling” anything. Then one more cause I thought I was ok. Guess I was wrong
 
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GC_Mospeada

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Okay I'll drop the act for just a moment cause guaranteed one of you will set me off.

For every grower here, I believe we do this because we love it. Everyone has there own interpretations of what growing means to them. For me, it means getting the most out of what nature gives you. We're so lucky that there is bro science, because without it...we wouldn't have the strains that we have today. It is those phenos within those strains that ultimately determine whether your bud is actually good or not. The bros gave us the seeds but it is the scientists that unlock that genetic potential. There is a lot more to growing than what you see on the surface. Thousands upon thousands of chemical reactions happening in the blink of an eye.

I don't profess to understand ALL the science behind it but I do trust the people that actually spent the time researching it in the first place. There is a lot of work involved to get a degree. A lot of hours studying, a lot of hours reading. That's fucking hard work, especially anything in the field of STEM. Which I felt inadequate for at the time so I studied education as a way to prepare myself for what the pioneers of the field are doing today. I also just loved learning. That's why I've been having a blast doing this. To see theory put into practice and seeing the results first hand. Both figuratively and literally.

Researching what the researchers are doing and replicating it. Usually it will only be a matter of time before some shit of a company buys the patent for it and makes people pay. And everyone wants to make you pay, except for nature. We should all be striving to get the most of out of our plants. We should be growing the biggest, healthiest plants we can grow. I helped someone out who was relying on one plant as their only medicine. It should never had gotten to this for this poor grower


I don't believe it's a stretch to say that it can be taken too far...the whole defol thing. But regardless of that I believe in what I'm doing, I believe in my knowledge and I believe in my ability to apply that knowledge.
 

spek9

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so just for my personal closure, are you more of a heavy defoliator, or a light one? string is to long to look back. cuz i want to know which one you do and you get the same strength on the lowers. just for another data point.
I don't defoliate. I remove dead leaves, and just as I go to flower, I remove the lowest branches of the plant to create an air space, and room for me to water more easily. The lower branch removal occurs about three weeks before they go into flower, at the same time they get transplanted to their final pot size.

One can't get the same strength on the lowers. Plants adhere to apical dominance, which means that plants use their energy to grow vertically. The lowest branches of the plant will always suffer growth to the upper branches. This is going to be true no matter if you remove one, two or 10 layers of lower branches.

The lowest will always suffer the upper. That's factual plant science.
 

Wattzzup

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I don't believe it's a stretch to say that it can be taken too far...the whole defol thing. But regardless of that I believe in what I'm doing, I believe in my knowledge and I believe in my ability to apply that knowledge.
That makes one of us after seeing those pics. Anyway, the one thing I learned from this whole thing is it’s not black or white. You can take some branches and some leaves as long as the purpose out weighs the risk.

most on here cut their plants up for one reason or another. It’s all good I think it’s balance and timing seem to be the two major points for new trimmers wanting to trim their plant for max performance.
 

raggyb

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I don't defoliate. I remove dead leaves, and just as I go to flower, I remove the lowest branches of the plant to create an air space, and room for me to water more easily. The lower branch removal occurs about three weeks before they go into flower, at the same time they get transplanted to their final pot size.

One can't get the same strength on the lowers. Plants adhere to apical dominance, which means that plants use their energy to grow vertically. The lowest branches of the plant will always suffer growth to the upper branches. This is going to be true no matter if you remove one, two or 10 layers of lower branches.

The lowest will always suffer the upper. That's factual plant science.
i see. i guess it hurts the vertical growers then. even tho they get the same amount of light the lowers wont be as potent.
 

spek9

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i see. i guess it hurts the vertical growers then. even tho they get the same amount of light the lowers wont be as potent.
Vertical growing just means running plants in vertical alignment to each other instead of on a flat surface horizontally, typically (from what I've seen in some awesome vertical grow rooms) in an NFT configuration.

The plants will still grow vertically, and still follow apical dominance. That doesn't change.

No matter how your plants are situated, the lower branches will receive less growth than upper ones.

It doesn't matter what technique you throw at this reality, it is reality.

If the lower branches receive the same amount of light as the uppers, the energy will be focused on the uppers.
 

raggyb

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Vertical growing just means running plants in vertical alignment to each other instead of on a flat surface horizontally, typically (from what I've seen in some awesome vertical grow rooms) in an NFT configuration.

The plants will still grow vertically, and still follow apical dominance. That doesn't change.

No matter how your plants are situated, the lower branches will receive less growth than upper ones.

It doesn't matter what technique you throw at this reality, it is reality.

If the lower branches receive the same amount of light as the uppers, the energy will be focused on the uppers.
i guess less energy also means less sticky. i'm so stuck on this stickiness thing. lol, thanks spek
 
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