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Growday

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I’m new to this and looking for help. I want to switch to flower soon but want this figured out first. I’m using Gaia green living soil. I over watered in the very beginning but this plant never recovered. I only water and once a week add liquid kelp to a watering. I have some Gaia green 4-4-4. Should I top dress? I also have power bloom. I don’t know the ph of water. I’m waiting on test to arrive. I would appreciate any help
 

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Dontjudgeme

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I use terp tea grow and bloom, which is the next best thing to Gaia Green. Hard to get that stuff. But what medium are you using? Did you amend the soil with the Gaia green before transplant or during seedling? Ph’ing the water is a must when growing organically. Also, adding any other Nutes when watering isn’t necessary if you amended the soil from the start, it has everything it needs in it. Just add ph’d water and you’re good to go. Top dressing at this point to fix an issue won’t help because it takes time for the dressing to actually start working. Do you use calmag? What is your water source, tap/RO/distilled?
 
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Growday

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Dontjudgeme said:
I use terp tea grow and bloom, which is the next best thing to Gaia Green. Hard to get that stuff. But what medium are you using? Did you amend the soil with the Gaia green before transplant or during seedling? Ph’ing the water is a must when growing organically. Also, adding any other Nutes when watering isn’t necessary if you amended the soil from the start, it has everything it needs in it. Just add ph’d water and you’re good to go. Top dressing at this point to fix an issue won’t help because it takes time for the dressing to actually start working. Do you use calmag? What is your water source, tap/RO/distilled?
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Thanks for the reply. I’m using Gaia green living soil It comes already amended. So I have never added any amendments to soil. I was told with organic soil ph isn't as big of a deal but I’m wondering if that’s the issue and ordered a ph tester. Just waiting for it to arrive. From now on I will ph my water. Water source is tap water.
 
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looks like a immobile def could be locked out. looks like a combo of mag maybe some p def who knows could be many things
 
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Dontjudgeme

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You are correct, that is what the bag and directions say, but do you know what the NPK ratio is for this soil? I’ve searched and can’t see anywhere on the bag where it mentions the NPK. That’s why I mentioned the amendments. Without a healthy dose of Nitrogen during veg, you are starving the vegging plant of this very important nutrient. I know Gaia has amendments for both veg and flower. Not sure who told you ph testing isn’t necessary, but that information didn’t exactly help your cause.
 
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Growday

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Dontjudgeme said:
You are correct, that is what the bag and directions say, but do you know what the NPK ratio is for this soil? I’ve searched and can’t see anywhere on the bag where it mentions the NPK. That’s why I mentioned the amendments. Without a healthy dose of Nitrogen during flower, you are starving the vegging plant of this very important nutrient. I know Gaia has amendments for both veg and flower. Not sure who told you ph testing isn’t necessary, but that information didn’t exactly help your cause.
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Dontjudgeme said:
You are correct, that is what the bag and directions say, but do you know what the NPK ratio is for this soil? I’ve searched and can’t see anywhere on the bag where it mentions the NPK. That’s why I mentioned the amendments. Without a healthy dose of Nitrogen during flower, you are starving the vegging plant of this very important nutrient. I know Gaia has amendments for both veg and flower. Not sure who told you ph testing isn’t necessary, but that information didn’t exactly help your cause.
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All I could find is this https://www.gaiagreen.com/product-page/living-soil
I was told with this soil you have to add Gaia green power bloom when I start flower to give soil the boost it needs to flower. I haven’t switched to 12/12 yet so I haven’t added it. I agree with you on ph water. I will from now on.
 
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This is why I think a lot of people don’t grow organically. The margin for error is small. Since you don’t bottle feed when growing organically, you can’t exactly flush to get give you a reset. I’m not entirely sure if it’s a lockout or not. But I’m almost willing to bet that soil isn’t providing enough Nitrogen on its own. I believe you said you OVER watered in the beginning, you may have washed all of your Nutes out of it.

This is from Gaia Green website:
Note: Do not over water! Do not let your soil completely dry out! Maintain moist but not soggy soil for happy healthy plants.

Sounds very similar to growing in coco.
 
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Life doesn't need to be as complicated as we sometimes make it for ourselves. There are so many viable nutrient systems out there its really a leap of faith to pick one ... and when you do you can be sure that there'll be a chorus of people telling you you've made a terrible mistake. I congratulate people who want to have a fully organic environment ... it takes a lot of dedication.
I'm past the point in my life when I can decide to develop an awesome compost for a year or 2. Personally, I like cost effective simplicity with documented results.
I started my first grow in 7 gallon fabric pots with an organic supersoil and Botanicare nutrients. It went well, but it was expensive and had a lot of components.
I've played with a variety of things since then and now have a coco based hempy bucket system using Greenleaf Nutrients Mega Crop, Sweet Candy, and Bud Explosion .. and some Epsom Salts in early veg when needed. They're dry products so I'm not paying for someone else's water and they're for a lot cheaper. I made the switch to Greenleaf after seeing people with essentially the some environment getting 50% more out of their grows.
This is pretty typical about 10 days before harvest.

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Bosgrower said:
Life doesn't need to be as complicated as we sometimes make it for ourselves. There are so many viable nutrient systems out there its really a leap of faith to pick one ... and when you do you can be sure that there'll be a chorus of people telling you you've made a terrible mistake. I congratulate people who want to have a fully organic environment ... it takes a lot of dedication.
I'm past the point in my life when I can decide to develop an awesome compost for a year or 2. Personally, I like cost effective simplicity with documented results.
I started my first grow in 7 gallon fabric pots with an organic supersoil and Botanicare nutrients. It went well, but it was expensive and had a lot of components.
I've played with a variety of things since then and now have a coco based hempy bucket system using Greenleaf Nutrients Mega Crop, Sweet Candy, and Bud Explosion .. and some Epsom Salts in early veg when needed. They're dry products so I'm not paying for someonelse's water and there for a lot cheaper. I made the switch to Greenleaf after seeing people with essentially the some environment getting 50% more out of their grows.
This is pretty typical about 10 days before harvest.

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That looks amazing! I agree I like simplicity. This way of growing was said be simple. But for this particular plant it is not. The only thing I know about coco is how Mr. Canuck grow does it with adding perlite and Gaia greens dry amendments. I am thinking of giving that I try next.
 
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