Lockdowns work.
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Fogdog
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tut, tut,
It's a shame that this virus is so very contagious and people can't just go out into large crowds for now.
You do realize that by starting this thread, people who can't just go buy a cheezy burger and eat it in a crowd will be all angry with you for starting this thread, don't you?
abandonconflict
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That doesn't mean they work, just sayin...
Here's to hoping that baseline will stay above the apex until there's a vax!
abandonconflict
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As my old friend Tyler used to say:
"I'll just leave this here"
www.npr.org
"I'll just leave this here"
CDC Director: 'Very Aggressive' Contact Tracing Needed For U.S. To Return To Normal
We're in shutdown mode for now, but what comes next? Robert Redfield, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, is working on a plan to safely reopen the country.
www.npr.org
rkymtnman
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you haven't proven they don't work in my estimation. comparing south korea to our response is nonsense.
if NYC was not under lockdown, how many cases would they have?
rkymtnman
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yep, 30000 tests for 6 million people!
abandonconflict
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I didn't just compare it though. I spewed a bunch of science stuff and wrote long ass posts that were boring which nobody will ever read.
See Sweden for that. Anyway, that's not exactly the point, it's a question that misunderstands my argument. Which is fine, you can disagree, but you're showing me you didn't get what I meant.
abandonconflict
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Here is the argument, made as short as I can make it.
Lockdown strategy means "flatten the curve". So I will assume you read my thing about the numbers in NY and understand it. What that means is that our healthcare system has to absorb that impact and pray to Jeebus that there's not another new york like case or even two or three such outbreak cities in the US.
We have to keep the apex of that curve below the baseline of our healthcare capacity, all the way until there's a vaccine.
I'm saying that's not possible.
You think you know but there's more than that, friend also, Wyoming doesn't want theirs..it's a hoax.
rkymtnman
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you also said the lockdowns should be lifted since they are ineffective and get the economy going again.
what happens when the lockdowns are lifted, the economy starts to get going and then we have a another spike which absolutely overwhelms hospitals all over the US? then the economy sinks even deeper, people are dying outside hospitals b/c there's no room inside.
my point is other options would have been better but we didn't take that route. lockdowns are all we have and i guarantee they are more effective than not.
rkymtnman
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Pardon?
rkymtnman
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i've been to both places: population density is not even remotely similar. Malmo, one of the bigger cities has a density more like Poughkeepsie, not Manhattan.
DIY-HP-LED
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Germany will start to ease lockdown, says Angela Merkel | coronavirus
The German Chancellor Angela Merkel has announced that some shops will open next week, with the first schools set to resume on 4 May.
Fogdog
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It's not only possible but the signals all show lockdowns work.
For example:
People aren't going to be able to freely mingle until its safe to do so.
You aren't alone in your impatience for this to be over. A bunch of people in Michigan agree. They are wrong but they have the right to be wrong.
abandonconflict
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7,636 additional New Yorkers clearly broke the law by breaching the lockdown and getting themselves infected.
Some curve ya got there...
Some curve ya got there...
doublejj
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would have been 5x's that without a lockdown....
abandonconflict
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Michigan has drive-through testing and a small army of contact tracers. So it's much more than just a lockdown. That's the problem with politicized articles. I despise Trump and his acolytes too, but to take a John's Hopkins study and say that it's aligned with the political point against caravaners made by WaPo is just as dishonest as the shit you hate.
doublejj
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Hey I'm no scientist and neither are you. The scientist all say lockdowns save lives.