Too short and too bushy

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GreenPeace22

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Hello RIU!

So, I am currently growing 2 OG KUSH plants in 2 liter pots. The reason for this is that I am experimenting to see how it would be like to grow many plants like these in a SOG. I have to mention that these 2 plants were grown 12-12 from SEED, currently in day 30, and they started flowering 3 days ago.

What bothers me is that they grow too short and way too bushy, which I don't really like. There's so much dense foliage that no light can penetrate past the first set of leaves. I've seen other people's SOG plants, and they were all taller and with more spread leaves, exposing the only main cola and all bud sites to light, the final result being a cola full of bud from tip to the ground.

Now, my obvious question is WHY? What factor causes plants to grow this dense, with such tight node spacing and big mass of leaves? Is it environmental? Is it genetic? I know that short and bushy is an INDICA trait, which OG KUSH is, but still...

Setup :
Light : QB 135W Kit Rspec (3500k), can pull up to 165 real watts
Grow space : 2x2 ft
RH : 45-50%
Temps : 70-78 F
Feeding : currently 300 PPM of calmag + NPK, pH 5.8, coco
 

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Zinger59

Zinger59

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GreenPeace22 said:
Hello RIU!

So, I am currently growing 2 OG KUSH plants in 2 liter pots. The reason for this is that I am experimenting to see how it would be like to grow many plants like these in a SOG. I have to mention that these 2 plants were grown 12-12 from SEED, currently in day 30, and they started flowering 3 days ago.

What bothers me is that they grow too short and way too bushy, which I don't really like. There's so much dense foliage that no light can penetrate past the first set of leaves. I've seen other people's SOG plants, and they were all taller and with more spread leaves, exposing the only main cola and all bud sites to light, the final result being a cola full of bud from tip to the ground.

Now, my obvious question is WHY? What factor causes plants to grow this dense, with such tight node spacing and big mass of leaves? Is it environmental? Is it genetic? I know that short and bushy is an INDICA trait, which OG KUSH is, but still...

Setup :
Light : QB 135W Kit Rspec (3500k), can pull up to 165 real watts
Grow space : 2x2 ft
RH : 45-50%
Temps : 70-78 F
Feeding : currently 300 PPM of calmag + NPK, pH 5.8, coco
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beautiful plants, why 12/12from seed?Give them 18/6 and let them veg more.
 
jondamon

jondamon

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GreenPeace22 said:
Like I said, I am testing the SOG method, trying to pull the best yield in the shortest amount of time, or at least I think, it's my first attempt of this. Anyway, too late to veg now, they already started to flower. Thanks for your appreciation!
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If you really want to try SOG then you should realistically grow a plant to produce you clones.
Get the clones rooted and then flower them with literally no veg time.

this is the only way you’ll be able to test the SOG method effectively.
Otherwise you’re basically just growing autos by doing 12/12 from seed.

doing 12/12 from seed will still make the plants veg for a certain amount of time before they transfer to flowering mode.

by taking clones and rooting them and then flowering them ASAP you’re taking cuts from an already Mature plant which means when you switch to flower with the clones they don’t veg for as long and just grow single stem plants with pretty much a single cola and small amounts of side growth.
 
Zinger59

Zinger59

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GreenPeace22 said:
Like I said, I am testing the SOG method, trying to pull the best yield in the shortest amount of time, or at least I think, it's my first attempt of this. Anyway, too late to veg now, they already started to flower. Thanks for your appreciation!
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where did you get the seed? The pics show nice consistency between plants!
 
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GreenPeace22

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jondamon said:
If you really want to try SOG then you should realistically grow a plant to produce you clones.
Get the clones rooted and then flower them with literally no veg time.

this is the only way you’ll be able to test the SOG method effectively.
Otherwise you’re basically just growing autos by doing 12/12 from seed.

doing 12/12 from seed will still make the plants veg for a certain amount of time before they transfer to flowering mode.

by taking clones and rooting them and then flowering them ASAP you’re taking cuts from an already Mature plant which means when you switch to flower with the clones they don’t veg for as long and just grow single stem plants with pretty much a single cola and small amounts of side growth.
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Yeah, kinda knew that already, but I guess I was too lazy to grow one normal plant for clones, and tried to find a shortcut. Besides, you need 2 separate grow rooms for that, one for the mother plant, one for the clones, which I don't have. You can't just wait for the mother plant to finish. Thanks for your time! I appreciate it.
 
Ganjamandan77

Ganjamandan77

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GreenPeace22 said:
Like I said, I am testing the SOG method, trying to pull the best yield in the shortest amount of time, or at least I think, it's my first attempt of this. Anyway, too late to veg now, they already started to flower. Thanks for your appreciation!
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I think youd be be ok if you switched to 18 hours of light right now. Might see a slight stunt in growth for a bit. In the past ive gone 12/12 to determine plant sex and never had issues going from veg to bloom then back to veg.
 
Merlin1147

Merlin1147

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Ok so you’re getting some miss informations here. First off Some varieties are better suited for SOG. Your problem is most likely genetic. You want plants that are more apically dominant For SOG.
budman111 said:
LED produce bushy plants with shorter length between nodes.
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This is not true. It’s all about light spectrum
Zinger59 said:
when plants veg under "white" light 5000 K,
they stretch more, LED's @3500K have more red spectrum, keeps plants from stretching for light.
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This is not true. Red light ie lower K ratings cause stretching. Blue light keeps plants shorter.
 
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GreenPeace22

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Merlin1147 said:
Ok so you’re getting some miss informations here. First off Some varieties are better suited for SOG. Your problem is most likely genetic. You want plants that are more apically dominant For SOG.

This is not true. It’s all about light spectrum

This is not true. Red light ie lower K ratings cause stretching. Blue light keeps plants shorter.
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Thanks for your time! What apically more dominant strains would you suggest? I've been told that Indica dominant are more suited, and Northern Lights are the gold standard for SOG.
 
jondamon

jondamon

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GreenPeace22 said:
Yeah, kinda knew that already, but I guess I was too lazy to grow one normal plant for clones, and tried to find a shortcut. Besides, you need 2 separate grow rooms for that, one for the mother plant, one for the clones, which I don't have. You can't just wait for the mother plant to finish. Thanks for your time! I appreciate it.
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You don’t need a second room.

you can veg a plant. Take clones.

leave enough space to flower the “mother” and all the clones.

repeat next time from seed.

But obviously this adds veg time into your cycle because you’re using a plant as a donor.
 
budman111

budman111

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Merlin1147 said:
Ok so you’re getting some miss informations here. First off Some varieties are better suited for SOG. Your problem is most likely genetic. You want plants that are more apically dominant For SOG.

This is not true. It’s all about light spectrum

This is not true. Red light ie lower K ratings cause stretching. Blue light keeps plants shorter.
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Yes it is true, the LED that you bought that obviously gave you with your obtuse reply stretchy plants were either a lot of absolute cheap shit or they were too far from your canopy, either way, GL, you'll need it, in life generally.
 
Zinger59

Zinger59

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GreenPeace22 said:
Yeah, kinda knew that already, but I guess I was too lazy to grow one normal plant for clones, and tried to find a shortcut. Besides, you need 2 separate grow rooms for that, one for the mother plant, one for the clones, which I don't have. You can't just wait for the mother plant to finish. Thanks for your time! I appreciate it.
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budman111 said:
Yes it is true, the LED that you bought that obviously gave you with your obtuse reply stretchy plants were either a lot of absolute cheap shit or they were too far from your canopy, either way, GL, you'll need it, in life generally.
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Merlin1147 said:
Ok so you’re getting some miss informations here. First off Some varieties are better suited for SOG. Your problem is most likely genetic. You want plants that are more apically dominant For SOG.

This is not true. It’s all about light spectrum

This is not true. Red light ie lower K ratings cause stretching. Blue light keeps plants shorter.
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I've always had more stretching with flourescents than LED's, intensity difference for sure but I also get more stretching under 1000w hps than I do under 600w LED.
 
jondamon

jondamon

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Zinger59 said:
I've always had more stretching with flourescents than LED's, intensity difference for sure but I also get more stretching under 1000w hps than I do under 600w LED.
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Reason for this will be the 2700k spectrum for the 1000w HPS and the distance required for it to be kept from the canopy.

600w LED are usually dual spectrum or switchable spectrums so you can tailor it to your plants needs and keep the distance between fixture and canopy shorter due to less radiant heat energy being emitted.
 
Zinger59

Zinger59

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xtsho said:
Incorrect.

I grow under 6500k T5's. Absolutely no stretching. Nothing but short stout plants.
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White light is made up of all colours of the spectrum. Photosynthetic response falls between 400 to 700 nm with UV on the low end and IR on the high end. Orange/red spectrum is better for flower but the higher the Kelvin the whiter the light.
 
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