The Chinese Quantum Board Knock Off Builds

Rocket Soul

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Hey duke, have you considered this instead:
Instead of buying full kits just buy the boards, they usually cost around 30 for a plain white, mount them to 1/8th alu sheet (should be available locally) and run the boards at 60-80w each? You can allways add strips aswell.

Kb has had some issues aswell, re boards/diodes breaking to what looks like over heating. No point in skimping on heat sinks. Also not too much point to be expecting very good warranty service. At 30 you can get the boards and consider them expendables, get driver and sinking locally.

I bought tons of stuff from meijiu with no probs using this approach
 

DukeFluke

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Hey duke, have you considered this instead:
Instead of buying full kits just buy the boards, they usually cost around 30 for a plain white, mount them to 1/8th alu sheet (should be available locally) and run the boards at 60-80w each? You can allways add strips aswell.

Kb has had some issues aswell, re boards/diodes breaking to what looks like over heating. No point in skimping on heat sinks. Also not too much point to be expecting very good warranty service. At 30 you can get the boards and consider them expendables, get driver and sinking locally.

I bought tons of stuff from meijiu with no probs using this approach
Yea I agree, I do see the boards as semi expendable. I don't want them to refund me if a few diodes go out after 11 months for example. I just want to know they'll send me out a new strip if there are any issues with the ones I receive, and from what I've heard Kingbrite are pretty solid in that respect. I'm open to hearing other people's experience on that though.

Regarding the heatsinks, is 3mm aluminum better than the finned sinks which come with the boards?

And it's a no no on getting the drivers on baba?
 

Rocket Soul

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No, finns are defo better than no fins. What i suggest is the combination of running the leds softer (which in itself is a boon to efficiency and lower operating temps, longer life, and also means higher diode count: better spread) and using local components for sinking. I made the numbers relative to where i live and found that the best deals was to get only boards/strips from china and driver/alusheet from digikey/local.

Driver: the main thing that can break if you run your boards soft as the even china leds tend to last long if you keep temps and wattage low; meanwell hlgs come with 7 years warranty, its very unreasonable to think that you would get service from china 5 years down the line. Get it from somewhere where you can get service easily, ideally where the supplier can be reached without having to pay for shipping. Shipping to china is going to be as expensive as new driver, which means youre sorta buying a driver without an actionable warranty. And they kinda know that. How much are you really saving on that china driver, maybe 20$? So youre betting 20$ or so that your driver wont have a problem during 7 years?

Sinking: we tried this both with fotop boards and 4 qbs per sheet: something around 40x14", 1/8" thick alu sheet has enough dissipation for 250w more than comfortably, id even go as far as 300w. The alu sheet is only slightly warm, i can keep my hand on it all day. Basicly, alusheet with 2" of lip around the board and a few inches between boards is all you need, especially if you can get some minor airmovement on it. BUT THIS IS ALL BASED AROUND RUNNING THE BOARDS SOFT. like around nominal, 60w per qb. The fotops run fine with no sink at nominal 150w, but they are pricey to ship and less flexible in size (3x1').

Running your boards at 60w instead of 120w is also about 10% efficiency boost, more or less the difference between top bin and mid bin, or lm561c and lm301b. Hlg is about twice the price of china, depending on shipping, taxes, where youre located etc.
So youll hit (more or less) the same points as hlg with more or less the same price if you go the baba route but with twice the amount of diodes.

But youll have twice as many boards (better spread) less temps in the diode and you can design something that works for your space. And the extra realestate on your alusheet can be used for strips for red sup, far red and what not.

All of this has been stated a few times by myself and others back in the thread.

But then again it might not be true for every case as i had to buy bulk for some very large cannopies which means shipping worked out different. Also it was over a year ago.
I suggest everyone, instead of browsing alibaba pages justt get in touch with sales reps, get a feel for them and get all prices (boards only/kits/strips etc) and compare to see what works for your situation. Imo The 240 kits would be better suited to 150-200w and a 3x2 foot print.

Another way to go about this is to work out how much you feel you can pay per watt and take it from there. When all your doing is chasing that last buck in saving its usually when end up stiffed. When hlg had their v1s at 29$ i reced them left right and centre.



Bah, im rambling on, too long in lock down.
 

DukeFluke

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No, finns are defo better than no fins. What i suggest is the combination of running the leds softer (which in itself is a boon to efficiency and lower operating temps, longer life, and also means higher diode count: better spread) and using local components for sinking. I made the numbers relative to where i live and found that the best deals was to get only boards/strips from china and driver/alusheet from digikey/local.

Driver: the main thing that can break if you run your boards soft as the even china leds tend to last long if you keep temps and wattage low; meanwell hlgs come with 7 years warranty, its very unreasonable to think that you would get service from china 5 years down the line. Get it from somewhere where you can get service easily, ideally where the supplier can be reached without having to pay for shipping. Shipping to china is going to be as expensive as new driver, which means youre sorta buying a driver without an actionable warranty. And they kinda know that. How much are you really saving on that china driver, maybe 20$? So youre betting 20$ or so that your driver wont have a problem during 7 years?

Sinking: we tried this both with fotop boards and 4 qbs per sheet: something around 40x14", 1/8" thick alu sheet has enough dissipation for 250w more than comfortably, id even go as far as 300w. The alu sheet is only slightly warm, i can keep my hand on it all day. Basicly, alusheet with 2" of lip around the board and a few inches between boards is all you need, especially if you can get some minor airmovement on it. BUT THIS IS ALL BASED AROUND RUNNING THE BOARDS SOFT. like around nominal, 60w per qb. The fotops run fine with no sink at nominal 150w, but they are pricey to ship and less flexible in size (3x1').

Running your boards at 60w instead of 120w is also about 10% efficiency boost, more or less the difference between top bin and mid bin, or lm561c and lm301b. Hlg is about twice the price of china, depending on shipping, taxes, where youre located etc.
So youll hit (more or less) the same points as hlg with more or less the same price if you go the baba route but with twice the amount of diodes.

But youll have twice as many boards (better spread) less temps in the diode and you can design something that works for your space. And the extra realestate on your alusheet can be used for strips for red sup, far red and what not.

All of this has been stated a few times by myself and others back in the thread.

But then again it might not be true for every case as i had to buy bulk for some very large cannopies which means shipping worked out different. Also it was over a year ago.
I suggest everyone, instead of browsing alibaba pages justt get in touch with sales reps, get a feel for them and get all prices (boards only/kits/strips etc) and compare to see what works for your situation. Imo The 240 kits would be better suited to 150-200w and a 3x2 foot print.

Another way to go about this is to work out how much you feel you can pay per watt and take it from there. When all your doing is chasing that last buck in saving its usually when end up stiffed. When hlg had their v1s at 29$ i reced them left right and centre.



Bah, im rambling on, too long in lock down.
That's solid advice brother. Especially the bit about drivers.

What it's done more than anything is put into perspective that I'm pissing round here and I'm losing time actually doing stuff in the room just over thinking this. I need the lights asap to be honest and I need to get these babies netted and flipped.

I might just pull the trigger on 12 of these to start with and run them on 3 x 480w drivers which I'll buy from digikey.

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Length-1100mm-KingBrite-Quantum-led-board_62484814086.html?spm=a2700.icbuShop.41413.31.1fac35d0uZziEa&fullFirstScreen=true&bypass=true

What do you think? And which driver should I use?

Thanks again for all the help
 

Rocket Soul

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That's solid advice brother. Especially the bit about drivers.

What it's done more than anything is put into perspective that I'm pissing round here and I'm losing time actually doing stuff in the room just over thinking this. I need the lights asap to be honest and I need to get these babies netted and flipped.

I might just pull the trigger on 12 of these to start with and run them on 3 x 480w drivers which I'll buy from digikey.

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Length-1100mm-KingBrite-Quantum-led-board_62484814086.html?spm=a2700.icbuShop.41413.31.1fac35d0uZziEa&fullFirstScreen=true&bypass=true

What do you think? And which driver should I use?

Thanks again for all the help
They look a bit expensive for what they are: 256 diodes for 70$. Ok, they come with sinking but still i think you could get a better deal with just strips from digikey, some selfadhesive tape and alu u channel.

Whats your space and budget and time frame? Is it full cycle or flower?
 

coreywebster

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Hey duke, have you considered this instead:
Instead of buying full kits just buy the boards, they usually cost around 30 for a plain white, mount them to 1/8th alu sheet (should be available locally) and run the boards at 60-80w each? You can allways add strips aswell.

Kb has had some issues aswell, re boards/diodes breaking to what looks like over heating. No point in skimping on heat sinks. Also not too much point to be expecting very good warranty service. At 30 you can get the boards and consider them expendables, get driver and sinking locally.

I bought tons of stuff from meijiu with no probs using this approach
I just came looking for that guy with the broken board, I just had one myself and wanted to ask him something. Mine was one of the new v1 boards not from china and I know how it happened.
Had a bag of random m3 screws and some have a little rim around, overtightened the screw and it broke the surface touching the copper underneath and shorting it.

Made the middle section of board go out and due to the short made the heatsink red hot in a few seconds.. Didn't electrocute me though which was nice.

Anyhow I wondered if it was the same thing with his board, one of the screws overtightened and shorting it.

Mind you I seem to think that guy had a different pattern of diodes out.

I also think a nylon washer will sort mine out (hopefully)
 

Barristan Whitebeard

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I just came looking for that guy with the broken board, I just had one myself and wanted to ask him something. Mine was one of the new v1 boards not from china and I know how it happened.
Had a bag of random m3 screws and some have a little rim around, overtightened the screw and it broke the surface touching the copper underneath and shorting it.

Made the middle section of board go out and due to the short made the heatsink red hot in a few seconds.. Didn't electrocute me though which was nice.

Anyhow I wondered if it was the same thing with his board, one of the screws overtightened and shorting it.
Do you use nylon washers between the screw and the board on any of your lights?
 

DukeFluke

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They look a bit expensive for what they are: 256 diodes for 70$. Ok, they come with sinking but still i think you could get a better deal with just strips from digikey, some selfadhesive tape and alu u channel.

Whats your space and budget and time frame? Is it full cycle or flower?

Full cycle

space is three 1m squares in an L shape. (I'm leaving 1m2 for wiggle room)

Budget and time are flexible. I've got lights in there atm and I don't mind spending a bit.
 

DukeFluke

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Was looking at these this morning btw

https://www.digikey.co.uk/product-detail/en/samsung-semiconductor-inc/SI-B8U201B20US/1510-2290-ND/7562248

But there are none in stock and a 4 week lead time.

Based on that I'd be quicker getting them from China.

They look a bit expensive for what they are: 256 diodes for 70$.
I meant to ask, is there better on baba, just strip wise? 256 seems to be standard. that's with cree etc, which really bumps the price up.

The same strip plus epistar far red diodes is just $45, near enough half the price

Is the UV etc worth it?

What I could do to save money is run just the Lm301 strips for two of the fittings and the cree on the other one. I grow a lot of fruit and veg also and I'm sure I could find some other use if I decide the difference is worth upgrading them all at a later point.
 
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Cptn

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That's solid advice brother. Especially the bit about drivers.

What it's done more than anything is put into perspective that I'm pissing round here and I'm losing time actually doing stuff in the room just over thinking this. I need the lights asap to be honest and I need to get these babies netted and flipped.

I might just pull the trigger on 12 of these to start with and run them on 3 x 480w drivers which I'll buy from digikey.

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Length-1100mm-KingBrite-Quantum-led-board_62484814086.html?spm=a2700.icbuShop.41413.31.1fac35d0uZziEa&fullFirstScreen=true&bypass=true

What do you think? And which driver should I use?

Thanks again for all the help
you can save a bit going with the 301B samsungs.
That with just the Cree 660's are $60 US per strip.

To put that in context with a regular QB config, the nearest equivalent board would be $48 and the heat sink to go with it sells for $8.50


So the strip setup costs $3.50 more than the QB.
That's not too bad.
 

Moflow

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Was looking at these this morning btw

https://www.digikey.co.uk/product-detail/en/samsung-semiconductor-inc/SI-B8U201B20US/1510-2290-ND/7562248

But there are none in stock and a 4 week lead time.

Based on that I'd be quicker getting them from China.



I meant to ask, is there better on baba, just strip wise? 256 seems to be standard. that's with cree etc, which really bumps the price up.

The same strip plus epistar far red diodes is just $45, near enough half the price

Is the UV etc worth it?

What I could do to save money is run just the Lm301 strips for two of the fittings and the cree on the other one. I grow a lot of fruit and veg also and I'm sure I could find some other use if I decide the difference is worth upgrading them all at a later point.
These are strips are worth a look......
 

Barristan Whitebeard

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you can save a bit going with the 301B samsungs.
That with just the Cree 660's are $60 US per strip.

To put that in context with a regular QB config, the nearest equivalent board would be $48 and the heat sink to go with it sells for $8.50


So the strip setup costs $3.50 more than the QB.
That's not too bad.
It's a small difference, but the linked board does have 16 more diodes (272) than the double bar (256) on a single heatsink you linked.
 

Rocket Soul

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Was looking at these this morning btw

https://www.digikey.co.uk/product-detail/en/samsung-semiconductor-inc/SI-B8U201B20US/1510-2290-ND/7562248

But there are none in stock and a 4 week lead time.

Based on that I'd be quicker getting them from China.



I meant to ask, is there better on baba, just strip wise? 256 seems to be standard. that's with cree etc, which really bumps the price up.

The same strip plus epistar far red diodes is just $45, near enough half the price

Is the UV etc worth it?

What I could do to save money is run just the Lm301 strips for two of the fittings and the cree on the other one. I grow a lot of fruit and veg also and I'm sure I could find some other use if I decide the difference is worth upgrading them all at a later point.
These are strips are worth a look......

Duke, check out the strips quoted by me and moflow, they are 95cm so the would fit in a 1m setup. I know r2t also have strips where the color leds are on a separate channel. The ones youre looking at are 112cm and hard to fit in.

If you want quick and easy: meijiu Fotops, 2 per meter, about 200w per board, no heatsinks, 600euros plus drivers. Lm561c is enough if your rocking the equivalent of 6 qbs per meter. Its also a very easy build, just 6 connections instead of many...
The drawback with fotops is that its hard to add reds and uv etc cause these boards are big and its hard to get the light to mix right.
 

Rocket Soul

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I believe @Prawn Connery had a similar issue with QB 324 V1 boards a couple years ago.
This thing can happen especially when you run the boards hard, or hot temps of the board. When it heats up it expands the retracts when it cools and this causes tear on the silkskin under the screws.
That's solid advice brother. Especially the bit about drivers.

What it's done more than anything is put into perspective that I'm pissing round here and I'm losing time actually doing stuff in the room just over thinking this. I need the lights asap to be honest and I need to get these babies netted and flipped.

I might just pull the trigger on 12 of these to start with and run them on 3 x 480w drivers which I'll buy from digikey.

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Length-1100mm-KingBrite-Quantum-led-board_62484814086.html?spm=a2700.icbuShop.41413.31.1fac35d0uZziEa&fullFirstScreen=true&bypass=true

What do you think? And which driver should I use?

Thanks again for all the help
Its very easy to get stuck in and over think things ive seen so many people trying to get the ultimate setup on the first go and it doesnt really happen. Think of it as something you might upgrade as you go.

There isnt just one right way to go.

Your space is a bit strange can you reach all parts of L-shaped space easily, like every corner? You have to figure with how to raise and lower aswell and most designs which allow for good spread means larger deaigns with low hanging height which means you have to hang from all corners which means getting way into the back.
 

DukeFluke

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It's a small difference, but the linked board does have 16 more diodes (272) than the double bar (256) on a single heatsink you linked.
I'm thinking the spread outweighs the fewer diodes. What do you think?

Its very easy to get stuck in and over think things ive seen so many people trying to get the ultimate setup on the first go and it doesnt really happen. Think of it as something you might upgrade as you go.

There isnt just one right way to go.

Your space is a bit strange can you reach all parts of L-shaped space easily, like every corner? You have to figure with how to raise and lower aswell and most designs which allow for good spread means larger deaigns with low hanging height which means you have to hang from all corners which means getting way into the back.
Yep. I've pretty much settled into that way of thinking now. if I do upgrade stuff down the line I'm sure there'll be a use for what gets superseded.

The L shape... I should have explained properly. It's a 2m x 2.2m area. The reason I said L shaped is because I'm keeping a square meter to work with. I got greedy with the space last time and it was a bit of a nightmare to work in there so...

I've got two of those areas either side of each other and want to replace everything with LED. That'll be a total of six 400w fixtures replaced by roughly 2400w of Led. I'm thinking - with everything else going well - the Led should crush what the hps 400s are capable of. And be more manageable too.

With the longest side being 2.2m I can fit those bars wall to wall. My idea initially was to have 8 of those strips laterally across the 2m space, then another 4 in the square below. Ya dig?

That's a bar just under every 20cm, which I think is a pretty decent spread.

Ideally I'd like to have been able to mix the UV & IR boosted strips between the reglar ones, but if that's a no no then it's no biggie.
 
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