Boomers have ruined the planet

DIY-HP-LED

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You make too many assumptions. I have always been opposed to making predictions. It seems you want to make a byte of me predicting something.

You have herd immunity wrong, you have mortality rate wrong and I just disagree in general with your approach. I would rather take an existing model from a peer-reviewed study and apply it to verified stats. I will not take part in your projection.
I realise that the infection and the death rate will decrease as herd immunity is approached, it won't be 1.25 million, just under a million perhaps? I'm simply assuming a mortality rate of .5%, let's say it takes until election day for America to go moo, if the mortality rate is not addressed with effective treatments you'll have the moo and the corpses too, hundreds of thousands.
 

abandonconflict

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I realise that the infection and the death rate will decrease as herd immunity is approached, it won't be 1.25 million, just under a million perhaps? I'm simply assuming a mortality rate of .5%, let's say it takes until election day for America to go moo, if the mortality rate is not addressed with effective treatments you'll have the moo and the corpses too, hundreds of thousands.
I'll wait for the NIH study before I comment. I will maintain that the curve is far from flat and I don't see the measures currently in place having a sufficient effect on the rate of transmission given the damage they are causing to the global supply of food.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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I'll wait for the NIH study before I comment. I will maintain that the curve is far from flat and I don't see the measures currently in place having a sufficient effect on the rate of transmission given the damage they are causing to the global supply of food.
Hey I'm pushing convalescent plasma as a way out of this Hell hole and as soon as they release a half decent study on it I'll be hawking it like Donald does Clorox! :D
 

DIY-HP-LED

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I'll wait for the NIH study before I comment. I will maintain that the curve is far from flat and I don't see the measures currently in place having a sufficient effect on the rate of transmission given the damage they are causing to the global supply of food.
We are on the cusp of therapies and drugs that will change the situation dramatically IMHO. If we can drop the mortality rate from .5% to about .05% dramatically reduce hospital resource requirements, and can protect the vulnerable while opening up the economy. Treatments are the answer and There is good evidence to believe they will arrive soon, if they do we open up much quicker than anticipated, fear is greatly diminished and America can peacefully go moo. Testing, NPI's and limited contact tracing would be required too, but the dial can be adjusted ethically with effective treatments.
 

abandonconflict

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We are on the cusp of therapies and drugs that will change the situation dramatically IMHO. If we can drop the mortality rate from .5% to about .05% dramatically reduce hospital resource requirements, and can protect the vulnerable while opening up the economy. Treatments are the answer and There is good evidence to believe they will arrive soon, if they do we open up much quicker than anticipated, fear is greatly diminished and America can peacefully go moo. Testing, NPI's and limited contact tracing would be required too, but the dial can be adjusted ethically with effective treatments.
The mortality rate can not be estimated until the total number of infected can be scientifically estimated. We have the case fatality rate, but that is really just a way to see how many clinically relevant cases may lead to fatality. The NIH study will fill in the picture.

For now, smaller regional studies are making it obvious that a FAR FAR higher number of people have been infected than have been confirmed. 0.5% is probably a high estimate, even for countries with higher mortality rates. It's apparently much lower in Germany.

 

abandonconflict

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Yeah since they are the "Carriers", they being carriers themselves makes them more dangerous than the disease itself.
Except it's not really the reason. The reason is the lockdowns. And there are already shortages of food in some places. Those places "poor countries" rely on imports from net-exporters of food "rich countries". Google it and read a few articles about it. The UN officials relevant to world food supply make statements and use careful language to avoid directly blaming the lockdowns but you can see it clearly. The number of deaths is around 200k globally and the number of hospitalized is fewer than the current number of confirmed cases. That's not enough to cause a shortage of workers.
 

jimihendrix1

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Except it's not really the reason. The reason is the lockdowns. And there are already shortages of food in some places. Those places "poor countries" rely on imports from net-exporters of food "rich countries". Google it and read a few articles about it. The UN officials relevant to world food supply make statements and use careful language to avoid directly blaming the lockdowns but you can see it clearly. The number of deaths is around 200k globally and the number of hospitalized is fewer than the current number of confirmed cases. That's not enough to cause a shortage of workers.

Workers being contaminated is 100% the reason for a possible shortage. Thousands have been infected, and many have died.

Largest Meat Processor in the WORLD Shut Down in Brazil

Meat plants are shutting down as workers get sick
Tyson (TSN), one of the world's largest meat processors, suspended operations at its Columbus Junction, Iowa, pork plant this week after more than two dozen workers contracted Covid-19 there

JBS USA, another major meat processor, has stopped operations at its beef plant in Souderton, Pennsylvania


One of the largest pork processing facilities in the US is closing until further notice
One of the country's largest pork processing facilities is closing until further notice as employees fall ill with Covid-19. The closure puts the country's meat supply at risk, said the CEO of Smithfield, which operates the plant.
"The closure of this facility, combined with a growing list of other protein plants that have shuttered across our industry, is pushing our country perilously close to the edge in terms of our meat supply," the meat processor's chief executive, Kenneth Sullivan, said in a statement Sunday.
South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem said during a Saturday news briefing that Smithfield employees accounted for more than half of the active coronavirus cases in the state. About 240 employees are sick, she said, out of roughly 430 active cases in the state.


Corrupt billionaire brothers’ meat plants are riddled with coronavirus
The world’s largest meat-processing giant was forced to shut down some of its US plants as more than 100 of its workers tested positive for COVID-19 last week, but the pandemic may be the least of its problems.

National Beef Packing Co suspended cattle slaughtering at an Iowa Premium beef plant in Tama, Iowa

Aurora Packing Company closed a beef plant in Aurora, Illinois, said Brad Lyle, chief financial officer for U.S. commodity firm Kerns and Associates

JBS USA shut a beef plant in Souderton, Pennsylvania because of virus contamination

Cargill Inc closed a plant in Hazleton, Pennsylvania, that produces meat for U.S. grocery stores.



4 Tyson Foods workers in Georgia dead from coronavirus, company says

Tyson warns of U.S. meat shortages as coronavirus shuts livestock plants


As coronavirus closes meat packing plants around U.S., cluster grows at Goodlettsville Tyson

Processing plants located in counties where the prevalence of coronavirus is greater than in 75% of counties in the U.S., and found that more than 150 plants in the country operate in those counties.



More than 5,000 U.S. meat and food-processing workers have been infected with or exposed to the virus, and 13 have died, the country’s largest meatpacking union said Thursday
 

Grandpapy

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It doesn’t matter. Nobody will be able to land ships to attack us we would bomb them first. You got a better idea?

Are you sure you are getting high on the THC at the bottom of the bowl or is it the cheap Chinese unrefined butane fumes.
There you go with the "we" thing. Who has their finger on the button?


When he last hosted the Russian foreign minister, he divulged intelligence information.

without allowing the US Press to be present.

Exxon needs you to like Russia. Comrade.
 

Rob Roy

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I realise that the infection and the death rate will decrease as herd immunity is approached, it won't be 1.25 million, just under a million perhaps? I'm simply assuming a mortality rate of .5%, let's say it takes until election day for America to go moo, if the mortality rate is not addressed with effective treatments you'll have the moo and the corpses too, hundreds of thousands.
Below is some info, you might consider, it was excerpted from a Bill Sardi article. Don't forget to do the math. So you won't strain your old man brain and catch a disease or something, here's the relevant info - 1 person out of 4600 died. Calculate THAT death rate, then come out from under your bed.



Social distancing



Here is what happened when a group of people didn’t social distance:


On the USS Roosevelt, they tested the entire 4,600 crew. Only 710 tested positive, only 52 needed treatment, and only one died. 42 recovered and 9 are finishing recover-ing. So out of 4,600 tightly packed in birthing compart-ments, and eating and working tightly together 24/ 7, only 1.13% needed treat-ment of any kind, and only 1 out of 4,600 died.
 

jimihendrix1

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57,000 have died as of Today. April 28, 2020

987,691 have been tested as Infected.

Death Rate is 5.1% rate of death

As of today around 1700 per day are dying. Which is down from over 2000+ per day

Going by CDC 5.1% Death rate from those tested. as of today.

Covid has overtaken Cancer, and Heart Disease as the #1 Killer in USA.

Expect the final death toll to be well over 100,000. Maybe 150,000+. Its going to come back like a MFr in the Fall.
 

Rob Roy

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57,000 have died as of Today. April 28, 2020

987,691 have been tested as Infected.

Death Rate is 5.1% rate of death

As of today around 1700 per day are dying. Which is down from over 2000+ per day

Going by CDC 5.1% Death rate from those tested. as of today.

Covid has overtaken Cancer, and Heart Disease as the #1 Killer in USA.

Expect the final death toll to be well over 100,000. Maybe 150,000+. Its going to come back like a MFr in the Fall.
Meaningless, incomplete, misleading stats? Why not?
Of all the people who were born in the 1800s, 100% of them are dead now !!

Covid is NOT the number one killer, democide, direct and indirect, is the number one killer.

As far as the #1 killer BY the USA, ask some of those 500,000 Iraqi kids that got "democided" in recent years by Uncle Sam how they feel about wearing a mask. Wait, you can't, they're dead. ;

If we can save just ONE life!! Democracy !!!
 

jimihendrix1

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Obfuscation dude.

Those are tRUmps own CDC Numbers. is #1 Killer in USA.

COVID-19 is now the number one killer in the USA

According to data released on Tuesday by Dr. Maria Danilycheva in San Diego, California, the virus causes 1970 deaths in the United States in a day.

For comparison, 1774 deaths per day are associated with cardiovascular diseases and 1641 – with oncology.


According to the worst-case scenario from the White House, it won't be as bad our two deadliest wars, but it'll be worse than our eight worst natural disasters combined.

In terms of past epidemics and pandemics, it won't be anywhere near as bad as HIV/AIDS or the 1918 influenza outbreak, but even so, it's likely to be the third deadliest killer of Americans in 2020.

According to projections from a new tracking survey, by the time COVID-19 is expected to peak in the U.S. later this month, more people will die of the disease each day than from heart disease or cancer, the current top two killers in the United States.

By the end of 2020, if the curve is flattened. Corona Virus is going to settle in as #3 Killer in usa vs deaths per day. As of NOW, its #1 vs Deaths Per Day. And it will flatten out.
 

Rob Roy

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Obfuscation dude.

Those are tRUmps own CDC Numbers. is #1 Killer in USA.

COVID-19 is now the number one killer in the USA

According to data released on Tuesday by Dr. Maria Danilycheva in San Diego, California, the virus causes 1970 deaths in the United States in a day.

For comparison, 1774 deaths per day are associated with cardiovascular diseases and 1641 – with oncology.


According to the worst-case scenario from the White House, it won't be as bad our two deadliest wars, but it'll be worse than our eight worst natural disasters combined.

In terms of past epidemics and pandemics, it won't be anywhere near as bad as HIV/AIDS or the 1918 influenza outbreak, but even so, it's likely to be the third deadliest killer of Americans in 2020.

According to projections from a new tracking survey, by the time COVID-19 is expected to peak in the U.S. later this month, more people will die of the disease each day than from heart disease or cancer, the current top two killers in the United States.

By the end of 2020, if the curve is flattened. Corona Virus is going to settle in as #3 Killer in usa vs deaths per day. As of NOW, its #1 vs Deaths Per Day. And it will flatten out.
Lockdowns weaken the immune system. A government ordered lockdown has the potential to prolong the disease as well as create a myriad of other potentially life threatening or life ending results, not to mention severe reduction of quality of life.

Where are those calculations in your lopsided analysis ?

A word you might investigate = "comorbidity" and I don't just mean only in actual covid related deaths, I mean in democide related deaths. You won't do that, because it would shift the results dramatically.

Your god, government, is involved in more direct and indirect deaths than this virus. Can you refute that ? No, you can't. Since that is so (it is) why would any sane person continue to obey them thinking "this time they'll get it right "?

Shoot your television and go outside and live like a free human being. If you have a poor immune system, stay home.
 

jimihendrix1

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no they dont. I still go out and ran 60 miles last week, and did 4 hardcore weight bearing exercise sessions last week.

Sunday I ran another 15 miles, yesterday I ran 10, and did 200 pullups, and 200 dips.

I also dont eat junk food, and havent had 1 drink of any kind of soda since 1978. My immune system is good dude. My resting pulse at 61 years old is 39 BPM, and I can run a 10k in 40 minutes. Most people half my age dont want to workout with me. I run guys off that are in their 20s.

I can still FULL Squat 350lbs, and do 500 bodyweight Squats in 28 minutes. I still 2x my bodyweight on bench press for 3 reps.

My immune system is really strong dude. Havent had a cold or the flu in 20+ years. Cant remember the last time I had either. I also get the Flu Shot every year.

DOnt eat processed food, no white flour products, No Sugar, no artificial flavors or colors. Ive never tasted Aspertame, Sucralose, or any other of the artificial flavors. NONE. Last time I ate a candy bar they were still using real vanilla, instead of vanillin.


No Mcdonalds, Wendys ect since the 70s. As in ZERO. No potato chips. Dont eat fried food, or breaded.

I get in another 60+ miles this week. Plus 4 hard weight workouts, including rope climbing and not using my legs. Arms only. I can do 25 handstand pushups with No Wall.

My immune system is in top shape. I run mostly in the woods, on trails. I have a trail thats 5 miles across, an 5 miles back. Never see anyone.
 

Heavysmoker86

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I don’t understand the predictive models of the covid-19. How can they predict how a virus will mutate and spread if this is a new strain of covid? And what is this heard immunity? If Dr. Fauci said it’s coming back in the fall I don’t want to get it again
 

zeddd

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Hey I'm pushing convalescent plasma as a way out of this Hell hole and as soon as they release a half decent study on it I'll be hawking it like Donald does Clorox! :D
And no one will believe you because you have zero credibility
 
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