Lockdowns don't work.

jimihendrix1

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Models shift to predict dramatically more U.S. deaths as states relax social distancing
By Alice Miranda Ollstein and Caitlin Oprysko
1 hr ago
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-s-optimistic-timeline-on-vaccine-outpaces-his-own-experts/ar-BB13Axh1?ocid=msedgdhp
he Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington’s School of Medicine is now projecting 134,000 coronavirus-related fatalities, up from a previous prediction of 72,000. Factoring in the scientists’ margin of error, the new prediction ranges from 95,000 to 243,000.

Dr. Christopher Murray, the director of IMHE, told reporters on a call Monday the primary reason for the increase is many states’ “premature relaxation of social distancing.”

Bing COVID-19 tracker: Latest numbers by country and state

For the first time, Murray explained, the model is factoring in data from four different cell phone providers showing a major uptick in Americans’ going out in public.

This rise of mobility in the last week or 10 days is likely leading to an increase in transmission, he said.

Monday’s update is the fourth since the model debuted in late March. It’s been relied on by the White House in recent months because it presents a more optimistic forecast on health system capacity, cases and deaths than other experts have predicted.


Even with its latest forecast, the University of Washington model is still far more optimistic than a model developed by Johns Hopkins for CDC predicting as many as 3,000 deaths per day by June. Murray said that model, which the New York Times published Monday, is likely inaccurate.

“Our numbers are nowhere near that level,” he said, noting that IMHE is forecasting 890 deaths per day by June 1. “This relates very much to whether the models think there is going to be a large, New York-style epidemic in some states. We don’t see that because we’re building into the modeling the rising temperatures and rising testing and contact tracing. That will put the brakes on transmission enough that we won’t see 3,000 deaths a day by June 1.”

The White House on Monday acknowledged the existence of the internal administration document but asserted that the grim modeling had not gone through interagency vetting and “is not reflective” of any projections from or analyzed by the White House coronavirus task force.

In a statement to reporters, White House deputy press secretary Judd Deere said that the internal report obtained by The New York Times was “not a White House document” and hadn’t been presented to the coronavirus task force.

The CDC document projects north of 175,000 new cases of Covid-19, the respiratory illness caused by the novel coronavirus, each day. That’s up from about 25,000 new cases per day last week and more than four times the peak of about 37,000 new cases per day.

The alarming modeling comes as some states are already beginning to put parts of the White House’s phased reopening plan into motion despite concerns that the administration’s guidelines for doing so have not yet been met. It also underscores fears that moving too fast to relax strict social-distancing restrictions could fuel a dangerous second wave of infections.

The CDC document found some reason for optimism, noting that nationwide, the trajectory of new illnesses in "multiple counties, including hard hit areas in Louisiana and in the New York City region" has continued to decrease, and that incidence rates have recently plateaued around Chicago.

Still, it found that there "remains a large number of counties whose burden [of illness] continues to grow or are in an elevated incidence plateau, including in the Great Lakes region, parts of the Southeast, Northeast, and around southern California." The document includes a color-coded map of the country with darker spots peppered throughout, and it states that the goal "is to have all communities be represented in the lighter colors, demonstrating little to no disease burden and no increase in trajectory."

Deere on Monday defended the White House plan, which President Donald Trump released last month with the goal of returning to some semblance of normalcy and reviving an economy that has been shuttered over the past two months due to the virus.

The guidelines “are a scientific driven approach that the top health and infectious disease experts in the federal government agreed with,” Deere said. “The health of the American people remains President Trump's top priority and that will continue as we monitor the efforts by states to ease restrictions.”

Murray also noted that the updated University of Washington model also now takes into account the ramping up of testing in most states, as well as warming temperatures heading into late spring and early summer. But he cautioned that the impact of temperature on coronavirus transmission is not yet fully understood, and likely will not be for several more months.

For now, IMHE is assuming that every degree Celsius the temperature goes up will lead to a 2 percent decline in transmission.

“Are we sure about that? No,” he said.
White House disavows administration forecast of 3,000 coronavirus deaths a day by June


Rob Crilly

1 hr ago
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/healthcare/opinion-treating-coronavirus-will-cost-us-billions-and-guess-who-will-pay/ar-BB13AIXs?ocid=msedgdhp

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/the-search-is-on-for-earliest-coronavirus-deaths/ar-BB13zJZb?ocid=msedgdhp
The White House distanced itself from a bleak administration forecast published on Monday by the New York Times, suggesting that the coronavirus death toll will increase to about 3,000 a day by early June.

White House deputy press secretary Judd Deere said the data did not reflect the models analyzed by the president’s team.

“This is not a White House document nor has it been presented to the coronavirus task force or gone through interagency vetting,” he said. “This data is not reflective of any of the modeling done by the task force or data that the task force has analyzed.

“The president’s phased guidelines to open up America again are a scientific-driven approach that the top health and infectious disease experts in the federal government agreed with,” Deere said. The United States has reported more than 1 million cases of the COVID-19 virus and more than 68,000 deaths.Trump has frequently presented an optimistic outlook, talking up potential treatments and playing down the threat to the public, but on Sunday night, he admitted the toll could climb higher.“We’re going to lose anywhere from 75,000, 80,0000 to 100,000 people. That’s a horrible thing,” Trump told Fox News.
https://aka.ms/getnewsapp_apb



The dire new forecast came as more local leaders relaxed restrictions on residents and businesses. Governors in California and Michigan are coming under public pressure to lift lockdowns while the likes of Florida, Georgia, and Ohio begin the process of rebuilding.

However, many public health experts warn that the number of cases will surge without a readily available vaccine.

 
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abandonconflict

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You gotta love a guy who proudly starts a thread with the title "Lockdowns don't work" and then question the intelligence of anyone who would dispute such nonsense. To prove his point he quotes articles from a propaganda website rife with conspiracy nuts as contributing authors.
I only questioned your "intelligence". You didn't even read the thread, genius.
 

abandonconflict

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The highest death rate due to the virus among any other Northern European states.
Sweden's outbreak is a month further along than most of the other countries in Europe. Their patient zero was infected in Wuhan and they had community spread in late January.

Denmark, Netherlands, and Finland did not have any clinically apparent cases until a month later. This is a fact.
 

Dr.Amber Trichome

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That is so cool your working out again Abandon. I bet your in really great shape! i like to work out to Fitness Blender on you tube. Hopefully you can get back into the ocean really soon!
 

abandonconflict

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I read the thread. Even all of your nonsense
No you didn't. You didn't even read the page that the comment you replied to was on. When called on it you just questioned the credibility of the source of an easily verifiable fact.

I'm the only one who has cited relevant science and facts in this thread. You didn't read shit.
 

abandonconflict

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That is so cool your working out again Abandon. I bet your in really great shape! i like to work out to Fitness Blender on you tube. Hopefully you can get back into the ocean really soon!
Calisthenics and weight lifting. I never really got into weight lifting before, even in the army. My body wouldn't respond when I was younger, my arms got a bit smaller when I was getting stronger. I'm pushing 40 and I gain five pounds if I look at a bag of chips but weight training is working now too.

I use my infant like a kettle bell and he loves it.
 

abandonconflict

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Models shift to predict dramatically more U.S. deaths as states relax social distancing
By Alice Miranda Ollstein and Caitlin Oprysko
1 hr ago
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-s-optimistic-timeline-on-vaccine-outpaces-his-own-experts/ar-BB13Axh1?ocid=msedgdhp
he Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington’s School of Medicine is now projecting 134,000 coronavirus-related fatalities, up from a previous prediction of 72,000. Factoring in the scientists’ margin of error, the new prediction ranges from 95,000 to 243,000.

Dr. Christopher Murray, the director of IMHE, told reporters on a call Monday the primary reason for the increase is many states’ “premature relaxation of social distancing.”

Bing COVID-19 tracker: Latest numbers by country and state

For the first time, Murray explained, the model is factoring in data from four different cell phone providers showing a major uptick in Americans’ going out in public.

This rise of mobility in the last week or 10 days is likely leading to an increase in transmission, he said.

Monday’s update is the fourth since the model debuted in late March. It’s been relied on by the White House in recent months because it presents a more optimistic forecast on health system capacity, cases and deaths than other experts have predicted.


Even with its latest forecast, the University of Washington model is still far more optimistic than a model developed by Johns Hopkins for CDC predicting as many as 3,000 deaths per day by June. Murray said that model, which the New York Times published Monday, is likely inaccurate.

“Our numbers are nowhere near that level,” he said, noting that IMHE is forecasting 890 deaths per day by June 1. “This relates very much to whether the models think there is going to be a large, New York-style epidemic in some states. We don’t see that because we’re building into the modeling the rising temperatures and rising testing and contact tracing. That will put the brakes on transmission enough that we won’t see 3,000 deaths a day by June 1.”

The White House on Monday acknowledged the existence of the internal administration document but asserted that the grim modeling had not gone through interagency vetting and “is not reflective” of any projections from or analyzed by the White House coronavirus task force.

In a statement to reporters, White House deputy press secretary Judd Deere said that the internal report obtained by The New York Times was “not a White House document” and hadn’t been presented to the coronavirus task force.

The CDC document projects north of 175,000 new cases of Covid-19, the respiratory illness caused by the novel coronavirus, each day. That’s up from about 25,000 new cases per day last week and more than four times the peak of about 37,000 new cases per day.

The alarming modeling comes as some states are already beginning to put parts of the White House’s phased reopening plan into motion despite concerns that the administration’s guidelines for doing so have not yet been met. It also underscores fears that moving too fast to relax strict social-distancing restrictions could fuel a dangerous second wave of infections.

The CDC document found some reason for optimism, noting that nationwide, the trajectory of new illnesses in "multiple counties, including hard hit areas in Louisiana and in the New York City region" has continued to decrease, and that incidence rates have recently plateaued around Chicago.

Still, it found that there "remains a large number of counties whose burden [of illness] continues to grow or are in an elevated incidence plateau, including in the Great Lakes region, parts of the Southeast, Northeast, and around southern California." The document includes a color-coded map of the country with darker spots peppered throughout, and it states that the goal "is to have all communities be represented in the lighter colors, demonstrating little to no disease burden and no increase in trajectory."

Deere on Monday defended the White House plan, which President Donald Trump released last month with the goal of returning to some semblance of normalcy and reviving an economy that has been shuttered over the past two months due to the virus.

The guidelines “are a scientific driven approach that the top health and infectious disease experts in the federal government agreed with,” Deere said. “The health of the American people remains President Trump's top priority and that will continue as we monitor the efforts by states to ease restrictions.”

Murray also noted that the updated University of Washington model also now takes into account the ramping up of testing in most states, as well as warming temperatures heading into late spring and early summer. But he cautioned that the impact of temperature on coronavirus transmission is not yet fully understood, and likely will not be for several more months.

For now, IMHE is assuming that every degree Celsius the temperature goes up will lead to a 2 percent decline in transmission.

“Are we sure about that? No,” he said.
White House disavows administration forecast of 3,000 coronavirus deaths a day by June


Rob Crilly

1 hr ago
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/healthcare/opinion-treating-coronavirus-will-cost-us-billions-and-guess-who-will-pay/ar-BB13AIXs?ocid=msedgdhp

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/the-search-is-on-for-earliest-coronavirus-deaths/ar-BB13zJZb?ocid=msedgdhp
The White House distanced itself from a bleak administration forecast published on Monday by the New York Times, suggesting that the coronavirus death toll will increase to about 3,000 a day by early June.

White House deputy press secretary Judd Deere said the data did not reflect the models analyzed by the president’s team.

“This is not a White House document nor has it been presented to the coronavirus task force or gone through interagency vetting,” he said. “This data is not reflective of any of the modeling done by the task force or data that the task force has analyzed.

“The president’s phased guidelines to open up America again are a scientific-driven approach that the top health and infectious disease experts in the federal government agreed with,” Deere said. The United States has reported more than 1 million cases of the COVID-19 virus and more than 68,000 deaths.Trump has frequently presented an optimistic outlook, talking up potential treatments and playing down the threat to the public, but on Sunday night, he admitted the toll could climb higher.“We’re going to lose anywhere from 75,000, 80,0000 to 100,000 people. That’s a horrible thing,” Trump told Fox News.
https://aka.ms/getnewsapp_apb

The dire new forecast came as more local leaders relaxed restrictions on residents and businesses. Governors in California and Michigan are coming under public pressure to lift lockdowns while the likes of Florida, Georgia, and Ohio begin the process of rebuilding.

However, many public health experts warn that the number of cases will surge without a readily available vaccine.

Better keep your old ass inside...
 

jimihendrix1

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Better keep your old ass inside...
IIve run almost 240 miles in the last month. I run on trials in the woods. Plenty of woods here in E Ky. Also 4 hard weight workouts a week. 6 more weeks and Ill take a week off. I was training for the Yamacraw 50k, April 4th-5th, but it was cancelled until November.
 

abandonconflict

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IIve run almost 240 miles in the last month. I run on trials in the woods. Plenty of woods here in E Ky. Also 4 hard weight workouts a week. 6 more weeks and Ill take a week off. I was training for the Yamacraw 50k, April 4th-5th, but it was cancelled until November.
You should still cower inside from the pandemic. At your age, it's likely to kill you.

Some people would argue that you should be arrested for all that outdoor exercise.
 

jimihendrix1

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You should still cower inside from the pandemic. At your age, it's likely to kill you.

Some people would argue that you should be arrested for all that outdoor exercise.

Nobody around in the woods where i run. Im in the middle of nowhere. Im also not 65. 65 is the age to start getting worried. Ive also not had a cold, or the flu in 30 years. Cant remember the last time I was sick. Ive had a few orthopedic/nerve impingement problems. But no viruses, or bacterial infections.

I guarantee you wouldnt want to try and keep up with me. Even if youre 25. I still run a sub 6 minute mile, and can FULL Squat 2.5 times my bodyweight for reps. 2x my bodyweight on Bench Press. I weigh 148lbs, and can still hit 315lbs.

I dont eat junk food, and havent had 1 sip of soda of any kind since 1978. As in ZERO. Havent had fast food either. NONE. Dont eat artificial flavorings, colors, preservatives, no fried food, white flour. Havent even smoked any weed since February. Dont drink. Havent drank since the 70s.

Youve also only refuted many of the claims in your own mind.
 
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abandonconflict

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Nobody around in the woods where i run. Im in the middle of nowhere. Im also not 65. 65 is the age to start getting worried. Ive also not had a cold, or the flu in 30 years. Cant remember the last time I was sick. Ive had a few orthopedic/nerve impingement problems. But no viruses, or bacterial infections.

I guarantee you wouldnt want to try and keep up with me. Even if youre 25. i still run a sub 6 minute mile, and can FULL Squat 2.5 times my bodyweight for reps. 2x my bodyweight on Bench Press. I weigh 148lbs, and can still hit 315lbs.
I'm a tech diver, martial artist and combat veteran paratrooper. My cardio is solid. Bring it to the Philippines and I will take that challenge. I weigh 220. 6'3".
 

jimihendrix1

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My buddy was a Navy Seal, and was one who invaded Granada. Urgent Fury. Howard King is his name...I cleaned his clock running when he was fresh out of boot camp.... Same for a buddies brother when he was fresh out of Camp Lejeune. Another buddy, Eddie Stuttler was a DI at Camp Lejeune for 20 years.

My uncles old school buddy was a Colonel, and had done every branch of the military survival training. He begged me to go into the service, and considering I ran 50 mile ultra marathons, and a 2 38 marathon, said a ran way farther than he ever did in survival training.

I can still run a 38 34 10k. 500 full squats in 28 minutes. 50 1 arm finger pushups. 25 Thumbs Only pushups. Ive been working out hard since 1978, and have never stopped except for some injuries, and when I was in jail waiting to go to prison for growing weed. In prison a ran 100 miles a week.
I also studied Kyokushin Karate for 3 years. Its a brutal form of Martial Arts. I also studied Shotokan, and Judo.
 
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jimihendrix1

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Yeah right.

I had a girlfriend who did over 150 jumps in the 80s. Packed her own shutes.. Doesnt take strength to jump. You just have to know how to land. My buddies dad, who is a little guy, jumped a Normandy, and was with the 101st. He aint strong at all. 130lbs. But he would poke your eyes out, and pull the skin down your face. He still has his hand to hand combat book they issued the 101st.
 
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