Coronavirus treatment options and the impact on public policy
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DIY-HP-LED
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Well, Trump is bat shit crazy so there may be a connection with Covid-19!
It has been established that farts can spread it too, as can shit and GI issues like diarrhea are among the listed symptoms. It also appears to be a respiratory and blood illness too, with immune function suppression and over reaction in some cases. They are learning more about this bug everyday and the various ways it kills people, that's why they've apparently had success with blood thinning and clot busting drugs, as well as those that suppress immune over responses, they are just developing treatment protocols and doesn't include antiviral treatments.
DIY-HP-LED
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Does Vitamin D Protect Against COVID-19?
Dr JoAnn Manson reviews new data suggesting a link between COVID-19 infection and severity with low serum vitamin D levels.
www.medscape.com
Fogdog
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stop flooding this site with crappy faux science false hope articles.Does Vitamin D Protect Against COVID-19?Does Vitamin D Protect Against COVID-19?
Dr JoAnn Manson reviews new data suggesting a link between COVID-19 infection and severity with low serum vitamin D levels.
The real science on this issue won't be available for years.
That author was part of a panel of doctors associated with this medical scandal:
How some journalists got hooked by fish oil and vitamin D spin
How some journalists got hooked by fish oil and vitamin D spin
Results of a much-anticipated trial on fish oil and vitamin D generated conflicting headlines last weekend. Some stories declared good news about the popular supplements: Reuters wrote that fish oil “can dramatically reduce the odds of a heart attack while vitamin D’s benefits seem to come from...
Here is the conclusion of the vitamin D study:
“Supplementation with vitamin D did not result in a lower incidence of invasive cancer or cardiovascular events than placebo.”
The statements seem clear: no benefit.
So why did some news organizations proclaim otherwise?
A problematic news release
The answer may lie with a news release issued by Brigham and Women’s Hospital, where the trial was conducted.
The release focused on a handful of secondary findings, which aren’t the primary questions researchers set out to answer.
For example, researchers observed 28% fewer heart attacks among people taking fish oil. That rose to 40% in people who took fish oil but eat little fish. The perceived effect was highest in African-Americans, who saw a 77% reduction.
The rebuttal:
We asked Brigham and Women’s, which received about $40 million from the National Institutes of Health to run the trial, why its news release downplayed the main findings, elevated secondary findings, and didn’t explain the varying levels of evidence.
The hospital responded with a statement defending how the data were presented. It said all of the information in the release is accurate and “supported by the findings.”
Lead researcher JoAnn Manson, MD, the hospital’s chief of preventive medicine, noted the secondary endpoints had been planned before the trial was conducted and were contained in the published research.
“We don’t think this information should be withheld from the public,” Manson said in an email.
Note that no one has said anything about withholding those secondary findings. We’re talking about providing adequate explanations and context.
In other words, the study was another example of fake science from an experiment that was designed to answer "yes" to the question does this woo woo supplement cure heart disease. (ok, so I'm exaggerating to make a point). When the real study is examined, the answer was, as the magic 8 ball says: "reply hazy, try again"
Is vitamin D necessary for health? Yes. The rest is just bad science.
DIY-HP-LED
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I guess these scientists are dupes too? Pseudoscientists?stop flooding this site with crappy faux science false hope articles.
The real science on this issue won't be available for years.
That author was part of a panel of doctors associated with this medical scandal:
How some journalists got hooked by fish oil and vitamin D spin
How some journalists got hooked by fish oil and vitamin D spin
Results of a much-anticipated trial on fish oil and vitamin D generated conflicting headlines last weekend. Some stories declared good news about the popular supplements: Reuters wrote that fish oil “can dramatically reduce the odds of a heart attack while vitamin D’s benefits seem to come from...www.healthnewsreview.org
Here is the conclusion of the vitamin D study:
“Supplementation with vitamin D did not result in a lower incidence of invasive cancer or cardiovascular events than placebo.”
The statements seem clear: no benefit.
So why did some news organizations proclaim otherwise?
A problematic news release
The answer may lie with a news release issued by Brigham and Women’s Hospital, where the trial was conducted.
The release focused on a handful of secondary findings, which aren’t the primary questions researchers set out to answer.
For example, researchers observed 28% fewer heart attacks among people taking fish oil. That rose to 40% in people who took fish oil but eat little fish. The perceived effect was highest in African-Americans, who saw a 77% reduction.
The rebuttal:
We asked Brigham and Women’s, which received about $40 million from the National Institutes of Health to run the trial, why its news release downplayed the main findings, elevated secondary findings, and didn’t explain the varying levels of evidence.
The hospital responded with a statement defending how the data were presented. It said all of the information in the release is accurate and “supported by the findings.”
Lead researcher JoAnn Manson, MD, the hospital’s chief of preventive medicine, noted the secondary endpoints had been planned before the trial was conducted and were contained in the published research.
“We don’t think this information should be withheld from the public,” Manson said in an email.
Note that no one has said anything about withholding those secondary findings. We’re talking about providing adequate explanations and context.
In other words, the study was another example of fake science from an experiment that was designed to answer "yes" to the question does this woo woo supplement cure heart disease. (ok, so I'm exaggerating to make a point). When the real study is examined, the answer was, as the magic 8 ball says: "reply hazy, try again"
Is vitamin D necessary for health? Yes. The rest is just bad science.
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Vitamin D Determines Severity in COVID-19: Researchers Urge Government to Change Advice
Trinity College Dublin researchers point to changes in government advice in Wales, England and Scotland. Researchers from Trinity College Dublin are calling on the government in Ireland to change recommendations for vitamin D supplements. A new publication from Dr. Eamon Laird and Professor Ro
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Vitamin D Determines Severity in COVID-19: Researchers Urge Government to Change Advice
Trinity College Dublin researchers point to changes in government advice in Wales, England and Scotland.
Researchers from Trinity College Dublin are calling on the government in Ireland to change recommendations for vitamin D supplements.
A new publication from Dr. Eamon Laird and Professor Rose Anne Kenny, School of Medicine, and the Irish Longitudinal Study on Ageing (TILDA), in collaboration with Professor Jon Rhodes at University of Liverpool, highlights the association between vitamin D levels and mortality from COVID-19.
The authors of the article, just published in the Irish Medical Journal, analyzed all European adult population studies, completed since 1999, which measured vitamin D and compared vitamin D and death rates from COVID-19.
Vitamin D is produced in the skin from UVB sunlight exposure and is transported to the liver and then the kidney where it is changed into an active hormone that increases calcium transport from food in the gut and ensures calcium is adequate to keep the skeleton strong and free of osteoporosis.
But vitamin D can also support the immune system through a number of immune pathways involved in fighting SARS-CoV-2. Many recent studies confirm the pivotal role of vitamin D in viral infections.
This study shows that, counter intuitively, countries at lower latitude and typically sunny countries, such as Spain and Northern Italy, had low concentrations of vitamin D and high rates of vitamin D deficiency. These countries also experienced the highest infection and death rates in Europe.
The northern latitude countries of Norway, Finland, and Sweden, have higher vitamin D levels despite less UVB sunlight exposure, because supplementation and fortification of foods is more common. These Nordic countries have lower COVID-19 infection and death rates. The correlation between low vitamin D levels and death from COVID-19 is statistically significant.
The authors propose that, whereas optimizing vitamin D levels will certainly benefit bone and muscle health, the data suggests that it is also likely to reduce serious COVID-19 complications. This may be because vitamin D is important in regulation and suppression of the inflammatory cytokine response, which causes the severe consequences of COVID-19 and ‘acute respiratory distress syndrome’ associated with ventilation and death.
Professor Rose Anne Kenny said:
“In England, Scotland and Wales, public health bodies have revised recommendations since the COVID-19 outbreak. Recommendations now state that all adults should take at least 400 IU vitamin D daily. Whereas there are currently no results from randomized controlled trials to conclusively prove that vitamin D beneficially affects COVID-19 outcomes, there is strong circumstantial evidence of associations between vitamin D and the severity of COVID-19 responses, including death.”
“This study further confirms this association. We call on the Irish government to update guidelines as a matter of urgency and encourage all adults to take supplements during the COVID-19 crisis. Deficiency is frequent in Ireland. Deficiency is most prevalent with age, obesity, in men, in ethnic minorities, in people with diabetes, hypertension and in nursing homes.”
Dr. Eamon Laird added:
“Here we see observational evidence of a link of vitamin D with mortality. Optimizing vitamin D intake to public health guidelines will certainly have benefits for overall health and support immune function. Research like this is still exploratory and we need further trials to have concrete evidence on the level of vitamin D that is needed for optimal immune function. However, studies like this also remind us how low our vitamin D status is in the population (even in sunny countries) and adds further weight to some sort of mandatory vitamin D fortification policy. If the Nordic countries are allowed to do this, there is no reason Ireland, the UK or rest of Europe can’t either.”
Fogdog
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Yes, vit D supplements should be taken if a person is low in it. That is fact.I guess these scientists are dupes too? Pseudoscientists?
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Vitamin D Determines Severity in COVID-19: Researchers Urge Government to Change Advice
Trinity College Dublin researchers point to changes in government advice in Wales, England and Scotland. Researchers from Trinity College Dublin are calling on the government in Ireland to change recommendations for vitamin D supplements. A new publication from Dr. Eamon Laird and Professor Roscitechdaily.com
Vitamin D Determines Severity in COVID-19: Researchers Urge Government to Change Advice
Trinity College Dublin researchers point to changes in government advice in Wales, England and Scotland.
Researchers from Trinity College Dublin are calling on the government in Ireland to change recommendations for vitamin D supplements.
A new publication from Dr. Eamon Laird and Professor Rose Anne Kenny, School of Medicine, and the Irish Longitudinal Study on Ageing (TILDA), in collaboration with Professor Jon Rhodes at University of Liverpool, highlights the association between vitamin D levels and mortality from COVID-19.
The authors of the article, just published in the Irish Medical Journal, analyzed all European adult population studies, completed since 1999, which measured vitamin D and compared vitamin D and death rates from COVID-19.
Vitamin D is produced in the skin from UVB sunlight exposure and is transported to the liver and then the kidney where it is changed into an active hormone that increases calcium transport from food in the gut and ensures calcium is adequate to keep the skeleton strong and free of osteoporosis.
But vitamin D can also support the immune system through a number of immune pathways involved in fighting SARS-CoV-2. Many recent studies confirm the pivotal role of vitamin D in viral infections.
This study shows that, counter intuitively, countries at lower latitude and typically sunny countries, such as Spain and Northern Italy, had low concentrations of vitamin D and high rates of vitamin D deficiency. These countries also experienced the highest infection and death rates in Europe.
The northern latitude countries of Norway, Finland, and Sweden, have higher vitamin D levels despite less UVB sunlight exposure, because supplementation and fortification of foods is more common. These Nordic countries have lower COVID-19 infection and death rates. The correlation between low vitamin D levels and death from COVID-19 is statistically significant.
The authors propose that, whereas optimizing vitamin D levels will certainly benefit bone and muscle health, the data suggests that it is also likely to reduce serious COVID-19 complications. This may be because vitamin D is important in regulation and suppression of the inflammatory cytokine response, which causes the severe consequences of COVID-19 and ‘acute respiratory distress syndrome’ associated with ventilation and death.
Professor Rose Anne Kenny said:
“In England, Scotland and Wales, public health bodies have revised recommendations since the COVID-19 outbreak. Recommendations now state that all adults should take at least 400 IU vitamin D daily. Whereas there are currently no results from randomized controlled trials to conclusively prove that vitamin D beneficially affects COVID-19 outcomes, there is strong circumstantial evidence of associations between vitamin D and the severity of COVID-19 responses, including death.”
“This study further confirms this association. We call on the Irish government to update guidelines as a matter of urgency and encourage all adults to take supplements during the COVID-19 crisis. Deficiency is frequent in Ireland. Deficiency is most prevalent with age, obesity, in men, in ethnic minorities, in people with diabetes, hypertension and in nursing homes.”
Dr. Eamon Laird added:
“Here we see observational evidence of a link of vitamin D with mortality. Optimizing vitamin D intake to public health guidelines will certainly have benefits for overall health and support immune function. Research like this is still exploratory and we need further trials to have concrete evidence on the level of vitamin D that is needed for optimal immune function. However, studies like this also remind us how low our vitamin D status is in the population (even in sunny countries) and adds further weight to some sort of mandatory vitamin D fortification policy. If the Nordic countries are allowed to do this, there is no reason Ireland, the UK or rest of Europe can’t either.”
vit D supplements are not an answer to this epidemic.
Stop flooding this forum with fake science and false bullshit.
DIY-HP-LED
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What is a low level? there is currently controversy about this in the research community and the RDAs were recently increased. Many medical experts are recommending 1,000 IUs or more a day. People should not be deficient in vitamin D, but it is a FACT that many people, are and it is becoming apparent that it has a major impact on this disease.
Vitamin D is not the answer to this epidemic, but it will help many people to avoid the worst consequences of it. 100% of younger ICU patients were deficient as were a lot of older folks. There is a recognised correlation here and education can help many to avoid serious illness and death.
The motives for your post are bullshit.
Fogdog
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If a blood test shows you are low in vitamin d, do what your doctor says. Not some clown on a pot board.
Justin-case
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To be fair, these are the same doctors that prescribed enough opiates in the last decade to create a national epidemic.
DIY-HP-LED
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Assuming you can afford to see a doctor in the USA, I'm not saying it, experts are and are seeking to PROVE it, because there is mounting evidence. Many people have vitamin D deficiency, public education is is required, there is enough evidence for that, I posted evidence of the effects of vitamin D deficiency and the fact that large numbers of people are indeed deficient in vitamin D, furthermore the evidence appears to say it has a large effect on outcomes in covid-19 cases. Helpful information.
Fogdog
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Honey will protect you from coronavirus.
Two powerful antioxidants in one delicious jar are enough reasons to buy this beautiful cacao honey. Antioxidants prevent cells from being damaged and have been linked to all sorts of health benefits, from reducing signs of aging to preventing cancer
Coronavirus treatment options and the impact on public policy
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2020/04/30/science.abc1669.full
www.rollitup.org
Two powerful antioxidants in one delicious jar are enough reasons to buy this beautiful cacao honey. Antioxidants prevent cells from being damaged and have been linked to all sorts of health benefits, from reducing signs of aging to preventing cancer
Fogdog
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Turmeric will protect you from coronavirus
www.everydayhealth.com
The primary active component of turmeric — and the one that gives the spice its characteristic yellow color — is curcumin. (1) In fact, you can credit curcumin as the compound responsible for most of turmeric’s potential health benefits. “Curcumin is a natural antioxidant that has anti-inflammatory benefits, as well as [possible] benefits related to slowing the aging process and preventing Alzheimer's disease and potentially depression,” says San Diego, California–based Elizabeth Ann Shaw, RDN, owner of Shaw’s Simple Swaps Consulting.
they say to add black pepper and it will incease absorption.
Can Turmeric and Curcumin Benefit Health?
Turmeric and its key active component, curcumin, may play a role in preventing or treating a number of diseases. Here’s what the research says.
www.everydayhealth.com
The primary active component of turmeric — and the one that gives the spice its characteristic yellow color — is curcumin. (1) In fact, you can credit curcumin as the compound responsible for most of turmeric’s potential health benefits. “Curcumin is a natural antioxidant that has anti-inflammatory benefits, as well as [possible] benefits related to slowing the aging process and preventing Alzheimer's disease and potentially depression,” says San Diego, California–based Elizabeth Ann Shaw, RDN, owner of Shaw’s Simple Swaps Consulting.
they say to add black pepper and it will incease absorption.
rkymtnman
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if you really want to make it better, spray some WD-40, one of the best antioxidants, on top of that honey!
Fogdog
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vitamin C will protect you from coronavirus
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Shoot it up.
Intravenous vitamin C for reduction of cytokines storm in acute respiratory distress syndrome
The recent outbreak of Covid19 has required urgent treatments for numerous patients. No suitable vaccines or antivirals are available for Covid19. The efficiency against Covid19 of WHO therapies of choice, that are two antivirals developed for other pathologies, ...
Shoot it up.
Fogdog
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It really is amazing how scientists aren't recommending things like that. I mean, if we can pull an article from the internet, so can they. Maybe they don't know how.
DIY-HP-LED
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So you guys are recommending WD-40 (mostly fish oil too) and honey to folks, well start citing then, from reliable sources please.
Fish oil supplements taste better though and are cheap, as is vitamin D, it seems those who are deficient in Vitamin D have pretty bad Covid-19 out comes, or so the evidence thus far indicates.
Fogdog
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Oh that is so very helpful. I'll try it right away.So you guys are recommending WD-40 (mostly fish oil too) and honey to folks, well start citing then, from reliable sources please.
Fish oil supplements taste better though and are cheap, as is vitamin D, it seems those who are deficient in Vitamin D have pretty bad Covid-19 out comes, or so the evidence thus far indicates.
Here is another very important health tip from the world of folk medicine:
The Spread of Coronavirus: How to Protect Yourself | CentreSpring MD
Coronavirus spreads mainly by person-to-person contact when in range of airborne particles resulting from coughing or sneezing.
centrespringmd.com
Astragalus
A traditional Chinese medical herb, astragalus modulates immune response, and supports a healthy expression of proteins involved in immune function.
Supplement with 1 gram daily.
I mean, supporting healthy expression of proteins is a good thing. I think maybe.
So, thank you very much for all of your posting about folk medicines that those corrupt doctors won't tell us about. There are literally thousands of references out there and I can't wait to share them all with you, one-by-one.
Fogdog
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High-Quality Honey Is Rich in AntioxidantsSo you guys are recommending WD-40 (mostly fish oil too) and honey to folks, well start citing then, from reliable sources please.
Fish oil supplements taste better though and are cheap, as is vitamin D, it seems those who are deficient in Vitamin D have pretty bad Covid-19 out comes, or so the evidence thus far indicates.
10 Surprising Health Benefits of Honey
This is an article about honey and its health benefits. It lists 10 ways that honey can improve your health, all of which are backed by science.
www.healthline.com
High-quality honey contains many important antioxidants. These include organic acids and phenolic compounds like flavonoids (5Trusted Source).
Scientists believe that the combination of these compounds gives honey its antioxidant power (5Trusted Source).
Interestingly, two studies have shown that buckwheat honey increases the antioxidant value of your blood (6Trusted Source, 7Trusted Source).
Antioxidants have been linked to reduced risk of heart attacks, strokes and some types of cancer. They may also promote eye health (8Trusted Source).
^^note all the trusted sources they list!!!!!!
Honey has antioxideantations. What more does one need to know? Tank up on it, man.
DIY-HP-LED
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Stand behind your posts and the information in them or you'll end up looking like a fool. If you want to advocate such things make your own thread, we deal with legitimate science here, post pseudoscience to your own thread, post what you believe to be true and be prepared to stand behind it.Oh that is so very helpful. I'll try it right away.
Here is another very important health tip from the world of folk medicine:
The Spread of Coronavirus: How to Protect Yourself | CentreSpring MD
Coronavirus spreads mainly by person-to-person contact when in range of airborne particles resulting from coughing or sneezing.
Astragalus
A traditional Chinese medical herb, astragalus modulates immune response, and supports a healthy expression of proteins involved in immune function.
Supplement with 1 gram daily.
I mean, supporting healthy expression of proteins is a good thing. I think maybe.
So, thank you very much for all of your posting about folk medicines that those corrupt doctors won't tell us about. There are literally thousands of references out there and I can't wait to share them all with you, one-by-one.