Yellow leaves

Jack north

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Is this a nitrogen toxicity or or deficiency because both look similar I'm in fox farms ocean forest soil and have been using vinegar to lower ph and have been using flowering nutes I just noticed this a few days ago any idea what the cause is?20200521_103545.jpg20200521_103659.jpg20200521_103650.jpg20200520_190629.jpg20200520_190627.jpg20200521_103701.jpg
 

macsnax

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Get some pH down, vinegar is not good to use over a period of time. Once you do that it looks like your plants need PK and a lil N. Go slow because of the change up from vinegar to pH down.
 

hotrodharley

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Is there any way to lower it now? That stuff will take a week to ship
Vinegar is better than nothing but barely in my experience. Solution treated with pH Down has a more stable pH. If feeding in peat that’s one thing but not in a res. This from running DWC before. The pH swings were nuts. Again from my experience but I welcome hearing from others.
 

macsnax

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Vinegar is better than nothing but barely in my experience. Solution treated with pH Down has a more stable pH. If feeding in peat that’s one thing but not in a res. This from running DWC before. The pH swings were nuts. Again from my experience but I welcome hearing from others.
I agree, vinegar looses it's acidity too quick
 

PadawanWarrior

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Is this a nitrogen toxicity or or deficiency because both look similar I'm in fox farms ocean forest soil and have been using vinegar to lower ph and have been using flowering nutes I just noticed this a few days ago any idea what the cause is?View attachment 4572313View attachment 4572314View attachment 4572315View attachment 4572316View attachment 4572317View attachment 4572318
What kinda nutes are you using, most are pretty acidic to begin with? My guess is you're making the soil pH too low. It looks like they aren't getting enough K, but I'd get the pH in check before trying to add more.
 

Jack north

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I'm using organic nutes when I add them to the water it's still not acidic enough the ph is above seven after I used some of the ph down it went down a bit it seems like the ph is causing nutrient lockout the nutes are called incredible bulk
 

spek9

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Since this is now about pH, if vinegar isn't enough, does anyone have a suggestion as to what could be used for pH up and down?

Bicarbonates are a negative in most situations, so when people say "use pH up/down", what are you actually recommending?

What I mean is, what *is* pH up and pH down?
 

PadawanWarrior

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I'm using organic nutes when I add them to the water it's still not acidic enough the ph is above seven after I used some of the ph down it went down a bit it seems like the ph is causing nutrient lockout the nutes are called incredible bulk
You need to check the soil pH. I would bet it's low. And I looked up that Incredible Bulk stuff and it doesn't sound great to me. I couldn't even find the ingredients, and the NPK ratio is kinda crazy to me.
 

macsnax

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Since this is now about pH, if vinegar isn't enough, does anyone have a suggestion as to what could be used for pH up and down?

Bicarbonates are a negative in most situations, so when people say "use pH up/down", what are you actually recommending?

What I mean is, what *is* pH up and pH down?
pH down is phosphoric acid and pH up consists of potassium hydroxide and potassium carbonate. I had to Google pH up I never use it lol. Idk about bicarbonates and what they do to a given media, I thought it was the sodium part that's bad, like salt buildup. What do the bicarbs do?
 

PadawanWarrior

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Since this is now about pH, if vinegar isn't enough, does anyone have a suggestion as to what could be used for pH up and down?

Bicarbonates are a negative in most situations, so when people say "use pH up/down", what are you actually recommending?

What I mean is, what *is* pH up and pH down?
I'm doing no-till, so if I want to raise the soil pH I add Ca based amendments like oyster shell flour. And if I want to lower it I add more organic materials, or feed with some acidic organic liquid nutes for a bit. Citric acid also works to slowly lower the soil pH and pull out some of the Ca in the soil. It's not the Ca itself that makes the pH rise but the carbonate in the calcium carbonate.

 
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