Lockdowns work.

DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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rkymtnman said:
I just got back from a dive trip to the Philllipines. You should see how many people are eating cheeseberders over there.

Last seen: May 4th. I guess he Abandoned Conflict here at RIU?
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He most likely has other concerns, like a recent typhoon or having his life in paradise collapse around him while locked down by goons. Soon there will be many desperate people doing unwise things in America.
 
Dr.Amber Trichome

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rkymtnman said:
I can't even imagine it. Good thing this thread has been the lighthouse of truth thru this pandemic. Lockdowns do work@@@@
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It’s the memorial Covidiot Weekend photo contest 2020. The beaches ,parks and pool party pictures are steaming up my phone and perplexed by the stupidity. I am continuing to lock down except for going to work and will continue to until I get a vaccination. It sucks but it’s manageable.
The only place I might attempt to go to if they open up are the art museums because I feel that would be a very managed place. I would check the entrance guidelines first and wear an N95 mask and hood. no one is touching anything there and they do have security to watch so it could be a very safe place . I have my eye on 2 museums i am dying ( not literally) to get back to! Stay safe out there , check your surroundings and go with your gut instinct. If you get an uneasy feeling, Turn around and go back to Safety . Take care !
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Fogdog

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Dr.Amber Trichome said:
It’s the memorial Covidiot Weekend photo contest 2020. The beaches ,parks and pool party pictures are steaming up my phone and perplexed by the stupidity. I am continuing to lock down except for going to work and will continue to until I get a vaccination. It sucks but it’s manageable.
The only place I might attempt to go to if they open up are the art museums because I feel that would be a very managed place. I would check the entrance guidelines first and wear an N95 mask and hood. no one is touching anything there and they do have security to watch so it could be a very safe place . I have my eye on 2 museums i am dying ( not literally) to get back to! Stay safe out there , check your surroundings and go with your gut instinct. If you get an uneasy feeling, Turn around and go back to Safety . Take care !
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Water seems to be a part of your aesthetic ideals.

Same here

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I'll get back there one day.
 
DIY-HP-LED

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America’s Patchwork Pandemic Is Fraying Even Further

The coronavirus is coursing through different parts of the U.S. in different ways, making the crisis harder to predict, control, or understand.
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America’s Patchwork Pandemic Is Fraying Even Further
The coronavirus is coursing through different parts of the U.S. in different ways, making the crisis harder to predict, control, or understand.

There was supposed to be a peak. But the stark turning point, when the number of daily COVID-19 cases in the U.S. finally crested and began descending sharply, never happened. Instead, America spent much of April on a disquieting plateau, with every day bringing about 30,000 new cases and about 2,000 new deaths. The graphs were more mesa than Matterhorn—flat-topped, not sharp-peaked. Only this month has the slope started gently heading downward.

This pattern exists because different states have experienced the coronavirus pandemic in very different ways. In the most severely pummeled places, like New York and New Jersey, COVID-19 is waning. In Texas and North Carolina, it is still taking off. In Oregon and South Carolina, it is holding steady. These trends average into a national plateau, but each state’s pattern is distinct. Currently, Hawaii’s looks like a child’s drawing of a mountain. Minnesota’s looks like the tip of a hockey stick. Maine’s looks like a (two-humped) camel. The U.S. is dealing with a patchwork pandemic.

The patchwork is not static. Next month’s hot spots will not be the same as last month’s. The SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus is already moving from the big coastal cities where it first made its mark into rural heartland areas that had previously gone unscathed. People who only heard about the disease secondhand through the news will start hearing about it firsthand from their family. “Nothing makes me think the suburbs will be spared—it’ll just get there more slowly,” says Ashish Jha, a public-health expert at Harvard.
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DIY-HP-LED

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‘Tell me what to do! Please!’: Even experts struggle with coronavirus unknowns

Brian Nosek, a University of Virginia psychology professor who has devoted his career to making scientific data more reliable and trustworthy, is frustrated. Like everyone else, he’s trying to understand the pandemic, particularly in his own community of Charlottesville, and in California, where he has family.
So he wonders: Where is the virus spreading? Where is it suppressed? Where are people social distancing as they should, and where are they not? Where will he and his family be safe?
In this pandemic, we’re swimming in statistics, trends, models, projections, infection rates, death tolls. Nosek has professional expertise in interpreting data, but even he is struggling to make sense of the numbers.

“What’s crazy is, we’re three months in, and we’re still not able to calibrate our risk management. It’s a mess,” said Nosek, who runs the Center for Open Science, which advocates for transparency in research. “Tell me what to do! Please!”

Scientists are still trying to understand the virus they call SARS-CoV-2, which causes the disease covid-19. Basic questions are not fully answered: How deadly is this virus? How contagious? Are there different strains with different clinical outcomes? Why does SARS-CoV-2 create a devastating disease in some people while leaving others without symptoms or even knowledge that they were infected?
With stay-at-home orders expiring and businesses reopening, all the scientific data is being scrutinized anew. But the numbers are often ambiguous, with large margins of error. And because this is still an early phase of the pandemic, scientific findings have to be couched in tentative, provisional, sometimes squishy language that is festooned with caveats and admitted limitations.

The experts shy away from predictions and instead offer “scenarios.” For example, last week the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention published a document titled COVID-19 Pandemic Planning Scenarios that offered guidance to public health officials. The document gave a wide range of numerical estimates for the contagiousness and lethality of covid-19. The guidance was presented with a cautionary preamble: “Information about [covid-19’s] biological and epidemiological characteristics remain limited, and uncertainty remains around nearly all parameter values.”

The CDC added that the numbers presented are “not” — the word is boldfaced for emphasis — “predictions of the expected effects of COVID-19.”
With the science fuzzy, people are forced to do their own calculations and estimates, and figure out what’s safe and what isn’t. They have to decide whether to go to religious services, or head to the beach, or take a summer road trip.

One of the fundamental problems is that the virus is stealthy, with a time delay of about six days on average between infection and symptoms. A sick person may delay getting tested or going to the hospital. The official covid-19 numbers typically lag behind the on-the-ground reality. Lurking out there is a possible second wave of infection, and the danger is that the wave will be detected only when it’s about to crest.
Even a trained eye can have trouble bringing the pandemic into sharp focus and knowing what to do.
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Fogdog

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DIY-HP-LED said:

‘Tell me what to do! Please!’: Even experts struggle with coronavirus unknowns

Brian Nosek, a University of Virginia psychology professor who has devoted his career to making scientific data more reliable and trustworthy, is frustrated. Like everyone else, he’s trying to understand the pandemic, particularly in his own community of Charlottesville, and in California, where he has family.
So he wonders: Where is the virus spreading? Where is it suppressed? Where are people social distancing as they should, and where are they not? Where will he and his family be safe?
In this pandemic, we’re swimming in statistics, trends, models, projections, infection rates, death tolls. Nosek has professional expertise in interpreting data, but even he is struggling to make sense of the numbers.

“What’s crazy is, we’re three months in, and we’re still not able to calibrate our risk management. It’s a mess,” said Nosek, who runs the Center for Open Science, which advocates for transparency in research. “Tell me what to do! Please!”

Scientists are still trying to understand the virus they call SARS-CoV-2, which causes the disease covid-19. Basic questions are not fully answered: How deadly is this virus? How contagious? Are there different strains with different clinical outcomes? Why does SARS-CoV-2 create a devastating disease in some people while leaving others without symptoms or even knowledge that they were infected?
With stay-at-home orders expiring and businesses reopening, all the scientific data is being scrutinized anew. But the numbers are often ambiguous, with large margins of error. And because this is still an early phase of the pandemic, scientific findings have to be couched in tentative, provisional, sometimes squishy language that is festooned with caveats and admitted limitations.

The experts shy away from predictions and instead offer “scenarios.” For example, last week the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention published a document titled COVID-19 Pandemic Planning Scenarios that offered guidance to public health officials. The document gave a wide range of numerical estimates for the contagiousness and lethality of covid-19. The guidance was presented with a cautionary preamble: “Information about [covid-19’s] biological and epidemiological characteristics remain limited, and uncertainty remains around nearly all parameter values.”

The CDC added that the numbers presented are “not” — the word is boldfaced for emphasis — “predictions of the expected effects of COVID-19.”
With the science fuzzy, people are forced to do their own calculations and estimates, and figure out what’s safe and what isn’t. They have to decide whether to go to religious services, or head to the beach, or take a summer road trip.

One of the fundamental problems is that the virus is stealthy, with a time delay of about six days on average between infection and symptoms. A sick person may delay getting tested or going to the hospital. The official covid-19 numbers typically lag behind the on-the-ground reality. Lurking out there is a possible second wave of infection, and the danger is that the wave will be detected only when it’s about to crest.
Even a trained eye can have trouble bringing the pandemic into sharp focus and knowing what to do.
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"It's a mess"

Kind of obvious that Rump deliberately muddled testing. Having the guy who botched the AIDS epidemic in charge of the CDC because he follows his beliefs rather than the scientific method is another reason. Trump picked him, so despite his saying otherwise, Trump is responsible for this.
 
hanimmal

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Fogdog said:
"It's a mess"

Kind of obvious that Rump deliberately muddled testing. Having the guy who botched the AIDS epidemic in charge of the CDC because he follows his beliefs rather than the scientific method is another reason. Trump picked him, so despite his saying otherwise, Trump is responsible for this.
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I forgot about that, or at least linking it to how rampant the 'ignore it and it will go away' that Pence was with AIDS. I wonder how long it will take before Trump throws him under the bus for the pandemic? Will he wait to blame him in the fall when the outbreak begins and have some surprise VP, or burn that bridge earlier and go into the fall with 'fingers crossed' into November. I guess the Republicans could pull the trigger on a impeachment if that happened and if he won and make sure they want whoever he picks for VP. It is really a lot riding on this election lol. This sucks.

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INDIANAPOLIS (AP) — President Donald Trump’s choice of Vice President Mike Pence to oversee the nation’s response to the new coronavirus threat is bringing renewed scrutiny to the former governor’s handling of an HIV outbreak in southern Indiana when he was governor.

Pence reluctantly agreed to authorize a needle exchange program in Scott County in March 2015 after the epidemic centered there saw the number of people infected with HIV skyrocket, with nearly 200 people eventually testing positive for the virus that year.


Despite his own misgivings — Pence worried about how the exchanges would affect “anti-drug policy” and had misgivings about providing clean needles to addicts — he initially issued an executive order allowing one in Scott County before later signing a law allowing the state government to approve them for counties on a case-by-case basis.

Greg Millett, director of public policy at amfAR, the Foundation for AIDS Research, said Indiana’s HIV outbreak would have been “entirely preventable” if Pence had acted earlier in response to data that was available to Indiana public health officials and clearly showed an outbreak was imminent.

The outbreak primarily infected intravenous users of the painkiller Opana in an impoverished, rural area with few health resources. The needle exchange Pence finally approved for Scott County successfully curbed the epidemic’s spread by providing clean needles to IV drug users to reduce needle-sharing that spreads HIV, hepatitis C and other diseases.

Pence took credit for the needle exchange during an interview Thursday with Fox News Channel’s Sean Hannity. “We worked the problem early in the year from a law enforcement standpoint, from a health standpoint,” he said. “I don’t believe in needle exchanges as a way to combat drug abuse, but in this case we came to the conclusion that we had a public health emergency, and so I took executive action to make a limited needle exchange available.”

Millett said Scott County had averaged five new HIV cases annually between 2004 and 2013, but between November 2014 and Jan. 11, 2015, it suddenly saw 13 new cases in just over two months.

Quick implementation of a needle exchange program could have stopped that escalation, but new cases continued to surge without one, he said.

“This would have been entirely preventable if Indiana had acted fast with a syringe exchange,” he said. “To have some 200 people become infected over such a short time period was unprecedented.”

Millett, who worked as an epidemiologist with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention between 1999 and 2013, doing HIV research, said the CDC later determined that Indiana’s outbreak resulted in infections that will amount to $100 million in health care costs — expenses he said could have been reduced or avoided by a quicker response.


Despite his reservations about Pence, Millett said he’s encouraged by the vice president’s announcement Thursday that Debbie Birx, the administration’s global AIDS coordinator, will serve under the vice president as the White House coronavirus response coordinator. Millett called Birx an effective and respected public health leader.

“She’ll bring in people who are experts in infectious diseases who can mount an effective response,” he said.

But Steven Thrasher, a Northwestern University journalism professor who has studied Indiana’s outbreak as part of his research into HIV and LGBTQ health issues, said Pence’s response as Indiana governor raises real questions about whether he’s the best person to helm the response to the virus.

Thrasher said that while HIV cases were mounting in Scott County — which lies about 30 miles (48 kilometers) north of Louisville, Kentucky — Pence told local officials wondering whether he would approve a needle exchange “that he was going to pray on it.”

“His background shows that he brings religion, a lack of science and a budgetary mindset to public health matters. In a time of emergency, those are not the safest ways to be approaching what could become an epidemic,” Thrasher said.

Pence’s state health commissioner at the time of the HIV outbreak, Jerome Adams, is now U.S. surgeon general and is widely credited with helping persuade Pence to accept the needle exchange program that now operates in nine of Indiana’s 92 counties.

Pence’s office, when asked for comment by The Associated Press, referred a reporter to Adams. He defended Pence’s actions Thursday, saying the then-governor worked closely with him in responding to the outbreak, including implementing the syringe exchange program “that helped change the scope of the unprecedented crisis.”

“As a result, our efforts became a model for how other states and localities respond to similar crises,” Adams said in a statement.

Joey Fox, who was legislative director for the Indiana State Department of Health during the HIV outbreak, said Thursday that the criticism of Pence is unfair because Indiana’s response to the HIV outbreak went far beyond just authorizing a needle exchange program.

Fox said the state’s response included bringing HIV testing to the small city of Austin — the community at the heart of the outbreak — at a “one-stop-shop” office where the county’s needle exchange was initially based. At that office, people could get tested, enroll in Medicaid to begin HIV medical treatment, get state identification cards and birth certificates and receive other services.

“It’s unfair to criticize the governor,” Fox said. “He was personally engaged with the public health and the public safety of Scott County, and the Indiana government was engaged from day one on the HIV outbreak.

“Before Mike Pence syringe exchanges were illegal in Indiana. When he left office there were programs around the state.”

Democratic Sen. Patty Murray of Washington urged Trump on Thursday to reconsider the choice of Pence, citing his “lack of public health experience and record of putting ideology over science” and his “leadership failure during the Indiana HIV outbreak.”

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi told reporters she spoke to Pence on Thursday morning and “expressed to him the concern that I had of his being in this position.” Pelosi said that while she wants to work with the White House, she told Pence she was wary of his leadership after his track record in Indiana.

Indiana’s needle exchange debate in 2015 was complicated by opposition from law enforcement groups who worried that such programs would enable drug abuse.

Scott County’s current health administrator said the county’s exchange — through which participants swap used needles for clean ones to stem the spread of diseases through needle-sharing — had a dramatic impact on the outbreak.

Since the county’s needle exchange began in early 2015, the number of new HIV cases tied to the outbreak has declined each year, said Michelle Matern, administrator for Scott County’s health department.

“I think the data speaks for itself, that it’s decreasing the transmission of infectious diseases,” she said.

In 2015, there were 187 new HIV cases linked to the same HIV strain involved in the outbreak. Cases plunged to 27 in 2016, 12 in 2017 and 10 in 2018, with a preliminary count of seven new cases last year, Matern said.

Health advocates have long criticized Indiana’s Republican-dominated government for paying scant attention to public health, with the state ranking 47th in public health funding, according to a 2019 study by the United Health Foundation.
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Fogdog

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hanimmal said:
I forgot about that, or at least linking it to how rampant the 'ignore it and it will go away' that Pence was with AIDS. I wonder how long it will take before Trump throws him under the bus for the pandemic? Will he wait to blame him in the fall when the outbreak begins and have some surprise VP, or burn that bridge earlier and go into the fall with 'fingers crossed' into November. I guess the Republicans could pull the trigger on a impeachment if that happened and if he won and make sure they want whoever he picks for VP. It is really a lot riding on this election lol. This sucks.

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I was referring to Redfield. Totally agree with you about Pence, though.

Pence was a statewide tragedy. Trump's pick for the CDC, Redfield, is a national disaster on the subject:

AIDS Researcher Robert Redfield Is the New CDC Director. Here's Why the Pick Is Controversial

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AIDS Researcher Robert Redfield Is the New CDC Director

Here's why the pick is controversial
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Redfield will be replacing Dr. Brenda Fitzgerald, who stepped down from CDC director after Politico reported that she had bought shares in a tobacco company (edit: lulz) after accepting the position. Redfield will not require Senate confirmation.

However, reactions to his selection have been mixed.

Before joining the CDC, Redfield was a professor at the University of Maryland School of Medicine and the co-founder of the university’s Institute of Human Virology. Over his career, he is credited with making important observations on the transmission of HIV, and he has studied the care of people with chronic viral infections.

However his reputation as an HIV expert is not without controversy. In 1993, Redfield was investigated by the U.S. Army for allegedly misrepresenting data regarding an AIDS vaccine under research at the Walter Reed Army Institute of Research. , The vaccine was meant to help treat people already infected with the disease. During presentations, Redfield reportedly described statistically significant decreases in the amount of HIV in the blood of people who received the vaccine, but Redfield was later accused of misrepresenting that data.

The army eventually dropped it's investigation. It's not as if they cleared him but simply couldn't produce the evidence that he deliberately screwed with the data. People there when it happened say he's guilty of incompetence or maliciousness. Either way, couldn't Trump have found a better candidate? (rhetorical question, of course he could).

one of the whistleblowers who raised the issue of the trial data to the Army told Kaiser Health News (KHN) that he remains concerned about what happened. “Either he was egregiously sloppy with data or it was fabricated,” said former Air Force Lt. Col. Craig Hendrix, a doctor who is now director of the division of clinical pharmacology at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, to KHN. “It was somewhere on that spectrum, both of which were serious and raised questions about his trustworthiness.”

Oh yeah, that's who we want in charge of the CDC when Trump is pushing an unbelievable schedule for releasing a vaccine on a type of virus, against which we've never successfully developed a vaccine.

As you point out, Trump also appointed Pence who followed his beliefs instead of medical advice, leading to an AIDS epidemic in his state during his watch as governor.
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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Fogdog said:
I was referring to Redfield. Totally agree with you about Pence, though.

Pence was a statewide tragedy. Trump's pick for the CDC, Redfield, is a national disaster on the subject:

AIDS Researcher Robert Redfield Is the New CDC Director. Here's Why the Pick Is Controversial

time.com

AIDS Researcher Robert Redfield Is the New CDC Director

Here's why the pick is controversial
time.com time.com

Redfield will be replacing Dr. Brenda Fitzgerald, who stepped down from CDC director after Politico reported that she had bought shares in a tobacco company (edit: lulz) after accepting the position. Redfield will not require Senate confirmation.

However, reactions to his selection have been mixed.

Before joining the CDC, Redfield was a professor at the University of Maryland School of Medicine and the co-founder of the university’s Institute of Human Virology. Over his career, he is credited with making important observations on the transmission of HIV, and he has studied the care of people with chronic viral infections.

However his reputation as an HIV expert is not without controversy. In 1993, Redfield was investigated by the U.S. Army for allegedly misrepresenting data regarding an AIDS vaccine under research at the Walter Reed Army Institute of Research. , The vaccine was meant to help treat people already infected with the disease. During presentations, Redfield reportedly described statistically significant decreases in the amount of HIV in the blood of people who received the vaccine, but Redfield was later accused of misrepresenting that data.

The army eventually dropped it's investigation. It's not as if they cleared him but simply couldn't produce the evidence that he deliberately screwed with the data. People there when it happened say he's guilty of incompetence or maliciousness. Either way, couldn't Trump have found a better candidate? (rhetorical question, of course he could).

one of the whistleblowers who raised the issue of the trial data to the Army told Kaiser Health News (KHN) that he remains concerned about what happened. “Either he was egregiously sloppy with data or it was fabricated,” said former Air Force Lt. Col. Craig Hendrix, a doctor who is now director of the division of clinical pharmacology at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, to KHN. “It was somewhere on that spectrum, both of which were serious and raised questions about his trustworthiness.”

Oh yeah, that's who we want in charge of the CDC when Trump is pushing an unbelievable schedule for releasing a vaccine on a type of virus, against which we've never successfully developed a vaccine.

As you point out, Trump also appointed Pence who followed his beliefs instead of medical advice, leading to an AIDS epidemic in his state during his watch as governor.
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God, another liar Trump has appointed. You can make any chart you want look however you want.

Birx will be the next Mcnamara. This guy will make that possible. Trump demanded it.
 
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