who's there stable?

[2cent]

Grown 13 strains over past few yrs trying to find a good stable indica 8ish weeker with consistent high yields.
Had a few but these poly x poly hybrids are killin me.


Hunting true genetics most predictable genetics.

Atm my breeders list is
Dinafem
Tga
DNA
And CSI hulbolt

I know there genetics but it's been 5 years since I even thought about other companies. There is so many to debunk ...
Who would you recommend and if any strain in particular feel free to Chime in

 

[We Can Make Sandwiches]

Grown 13 strains over past few yrs trying to find a good stable indica 8ish weeker with consistent high yields.
Had a few but these poly x poly hybrids are killin me.


Hunting true genetics most predictable genetics.

Atm my breeders list is
Dinafem
Tga
DNA
And CSI hulbolt

I know there genetics but it's been 5 years since I even thought about other companies. There is so many to debunk ...
Who would you recommend and if any strain in particular feel free to Chime in

Cannarado for fems.

 

[CottonBrainz]

BOG Sour Bubble.

 

[thenotsoesoteric]

Those breeders you listed are not breeding nonpoly hybrids.

If you want more stable product look at peakseedsbc
Bog
Ace

And I'm sure there are a few more but most things offered nowadays are poly blends.

 

[2cent]

Seriously?? Dinafem cant all be poly they have some ibl strains for sure there cheese and white widdow.

Tga and dna seriously? I've always known them as old school genetics who use their own strains?

Heard alot about bog seeds tho no website only an instagram??

 

[CottonBrainz]

There’s a BOG forum on icmag.

 

[HolyAngel]

Heard alot about bog seeds tho no website only an instagram??

gotta email BOG directly and ask for a strain list. He's cool af and super nice. Quick shipping and he does great work.

That being said, I had good luck with Godberry from Freedom of Seeds. Pretty much 100% indica, narcotic stone that will lay you out if you're not careful, finishes inside of 60 days and yields pretty decent I'd say. Smells of lemon's and berries. She vegges slow af imo but flower is fast. I mainlined 1 for 8 tops, messed her up through most of the grow, and still got just over 6 oz's off a little over 2ft tall plant. Trim jail isn't fun though, definitely a bit leafy. Pic is of my 3x3 tent I had her in.

 

[Amos Otis]

Heard alot about bog seeds tho no website only an instagram??

B.O.G. Seeds

BOG Seeds is a Mom and Pop operation started in 2000. As High School Sweethearts we shared a love for the Cannabis. After our marriage in 1972 we spent many years growing medicine for ourselves, family and friends. In the 70’s we were one of the first to have an Indoor Grow. In 2005, we...

dcseedexchange.com

 

[2cent]

Emailed bog and he said hes quit and moving cause his mrs has a big stroke any seeds left are old and he recommends not buying

 

[coppershot]

peakseedsbc

 

[Michael Huntherz]

Seriously?? Dinafem cant all be poly they have some ibl strains for sure there cheese and white widdow.

Tga and dna seriously? I've always known them as old school genetics who use their own strains?

Heard alot about bog seeds tho no website only an instagram??

Everything in the cannabis game is a polyhybrid, which is a fucking meaningless distinction anyway, when talking about subspecies. In the botany taxonomy scene “subspecies” is synonymous with “varieties.” The molecular DNA delta between indica and sativa is tiny, itsy bitsy. We should not concern ourselves with it at all, except perhaps as a chemotype distinction. As the paper linked below asserts, indica and sativa are varieties of Cannabis sativa. None of which has anything to do with “stability”.

Edit: Most folks in the community use “stability” to mean “doesn’t throw herms” - I misunderstood @2cent, he meant “consistent phenotypes.”

Cannabis Systematics at the Levels of Family, Genus, and Species

New concepts are reviewed in Cannabis systematics, including phylogenetics and nomenclature. The family Cannabaceae now includes Cannabis, Humulus, and eight genera formerly in the Celtidaceae. Grouping Cannabis, Humulus, and Celtis actually goes back ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Cannabis plants naturally and regularly throw opposite sex flower structures, often as a response to stress. Some cultivars more than others, but it has nothing to do with “hybrids” or “polyhybrids” or “indica” or “sativa” - we growers use those words incorrectly almost without exception.

Please read the paper I linked and look at the map. Most phylogenetic systematists consider it a single species that has subspecies only as a result of cultural misunderstandings and biases. I am deeply skeptical of anyone claiming to have true land race strains, those landraces that currently exist were almost doubtlessly selectively bred and outcrossed by humans up to a couple thousand years ago. It is true, and mentioned in the paper that cannabis reverts to a wild-type state after about fifty generations, but that doesn’t mean it’s genotype is pure landrace.

Making decisions based on pseudoscience and having strong opinions about what’s desirable as a result of that misunderstanding is a dangerous road that leads to blabbering about the evils of polyhybrids or feminized seeds or whatever the fuck.

If we are going to continue to use the terms Indica and Sativa it should be a reference to chemotype, sativa has CBD dominant over THC and indica has THC dominant over CBD. That’s how scientists first meant those words, though even that is not true. Hundreds of years ago they had collected some ’sativas’ that had the THC dominant (drug effect they called it) expression and vice versa for indica. But then what do we call the plants with a 1:1 ratio THC:CBD expression, ‘hybrids’? That seems silly.

My view, supported by the latest scientific research that I can find, is that Cannabis is a single species, Cannabis sativa. Subspecies appellations like indica and sativa are somewhat capriciously and incorrectly applied to indicate morphological differences. Someone may be tempted to mention C. ruderalis in their response to this post; it is addressed in the paper, and is probably best classified as Cannabis sativa subsp. ruderalis.

Buy stuff from reputable breeders and carry on. If you are throwing a lot of herms from different sources then it is probably your grow environment or practices and not the genetics.

 

[2cent]

Everything in the cannabis game is a polyhybrid, which is a fucking meaningless distinction anyway, when talking about subspecies, aka “varieties” in the botany taxonomy scene. indica and sativa are varieties of Cannabis sativa. None of which has anything to do with “stability”

Cannabis Systematics at the Levels of Family, Genus, and Species

New concepts are reviewed in Cannabis systematics, including phylogenetics and nomenclature. The family Cannabaceae now includes Cannabis, Humulus, and eight genera formerly in the Celtidaceae. Grouping Cannabis, Humulus, and Celtis actually goes back ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Cannabis plants naturally and regularly throw opposite sex flower structures, often as a response to stress. Some cultivars more than others, but it has nothing to do with “hybrids” or “polyhybrids” or “indica” or “sativa” - we growers use those words incorrectly almost without exception.

Please read the paper I linked and look at the map. Most phylogenetic systematists consider it a single species that has subspecies only as a result of cultural traditions based in misunderstandings. I am deeply skeptical of anyone claiming to have true land race strains, those landraces that currently exist were almost doubtlessly selectively bred and outcrossed by humans up to a couple thousand years ago. It is true, and mentioned in the paper that cannabis reverts to a ‘feral’ state after about fifty generations, but that doesn’t mean it’s genotype is pure landrace.

Making decisions based on a bad pseudoscience and having strong opinions about what’s desirable as a result of that misunderstanding is a dangerous road that leads to more uneducated pontification about the evils of polyhybrids or feminized seeds or whatever the fuck.

If we are going to continue to use the terms Indica and Sativa it should be a reference to chemotype, sativa has CBD dominant over THC and indica has THC dominant over CBD. Then the only ‘hybrids’ could be considered the 1:1 ratio THC:CBD expression. That’s how scientists first meant those words, though even that is not true. Hundreds of years ago they had collected some ’sativas’ that had the THC dominant (drug effect they called it) expression and vice versa for indica.

My view, supported by the latest and best scientific research and opinions that I can find, is that Cannabis is a single species, Cannabis sativa, with subspecies appellations indica and sativa capriciously applied to indicate morphological differences. I know someone will probably mention C. ruderalis in their response, which is addressed in the paper, and is probably best classified as Cannabis sativa subsp. ruderalis.

Educate yourself, and free your mind. Buy stuff from reputable breeders and carry on. If you are throwing a lot of herms from different sources then it is probably your grow environment or practices and not the genetics.

I dont get any herms ever . I just want stable genetics nothing I grow seems to be true eg I can buy the same seeds and not know how there gona grow. Could go big or small etc

I want uniformity predictability and consistency on a strain I can maximise. I'm currently doing skittles it's nice and I average 1.7gpw but some plants go big some small some fat I have to take from cuttings and I'm bored of cuts I have no room I dont know if i can trust people with the strains ingrew cheese that was more like a widdow. Then next cheese from same guy was blues it's just random names.

So if I start seed in my hydro scrog system I wana know what it will do . I want all 8 to come up hopefully identical or not far off phones.

But I want my yield. Some strains I done yield different to others obviously and I dont wana do 14week on a seed that says 600gsqm and only pushes 250 and not true


I normaly use dinafem there been good to me.

Now I'm looking at after talking with breeders

DNA og kush and kosher and their stable f1s they've had years.they say it's a stable generation they bx and use in their strains.

Ace seeds bubba kush
Pck kali
Violeta


Ace seeds is the only one who does full lab reports terp and cannabinoid profiles on f1 hybrids from stable crosses they made from reputable breeders.


And bog with his life saver and south bubble and blue kush. Of which are bx 3 strains from Boston but usa only and hes retiring with medical condition. But being a 1972 breeder in cali medical scene holding good true genepools.
But bog mr nice and greenthumb are all regs I want fem

Dr greenthumbs g13

I dont want landrzce I want stable true genetics I can rely on time and time again

Michael what do you reccomend? With that info I doubt u would use shit breeders

 

[Michael Huntherz]

I dont get any herms ever . I just want stable genetics nothing I grow seems to be true eg I can buy the same seeds and not know how there gona grow. Could go big or small etc

I want uniformity predictability and consistency on a strain I can maximise. I'm currently doing skittles it's nice and I average 1.7gpw but some plants go big some small some fat I have to take from cuttings and I'm bored of cuts I have no room I dont know if i can trust people with the strains ingrew cheese that was more like a widdow. Then next cheese from same guy was blues it's just random names.

So if I start seed in my hydro scrog system I wana know what it will do. I want all 8 to come up hopefully identical or not far off phones.

But I want my yield. Some strains I done yield different to others obviously and I dont wana do 14week on a seed that says 600gsqm and only pushes 250 and not true


I normaly use dinafem there been good to me.

Now I'm looking at after talking with breeders

DNA og kush and kosher and their stable f1s they've had years.they say it's a stable generation they bx and use in their strains.

Ace seeds bubba kush
Pck kali
Violeta


Ace seeds is the only one who does full lab reports terp and cannabinoid profiles on f1 hybrids from stable crosses they made from reputable breeders.


And bog with his life saver and south bubble and blue kush. Of which are bx 3 strains from Boston but usa only and hes retiring with medical condition. But being a 1972 breeder in cali medical scene holding good true genepools.
But bog mr nice and greenthumb are all regs I want fem

Dr greenthumbs g13

I dont want landrzce I want stable true genetics I can rely on time and time again

Michael what do you reccomend? With that info I doubt u would use shit breeders

I understand you better now, thanks! I was ranting, mostly at some responders, not you specifically. Sorry about that.

The best deal on quality fems from a solid dude with great taste is probably esosseeds.com - I am currently running LVTK S1 (sold out) and Dino Berry Bites, but I just placed an order for Twinkle Tarts yesterday.

Brisco’s Bargain Beans on DC Seed Exchange is making fems, and he’s another solid cat I know from this site.

For bigger names: Humboldt Seed Organization (HSO) is reputable and consistent, they do regs and fems. I have run a few packs from them and they were totally as advertised, very consistent. Sin City is pure fire, in my experience, they used to make some fems, not sure if they do any more.

if you are ordering from a european seedbank check Paradise Seeds: Sensi Star is legenday, Delahaze, Nebula and Wappa are all really good and consistent. Never got my hands on Sensi Star but ran the other three and they were very good.

And when you want to run some regs again, check out Dynasty and Relic Seeds, Professor P is probably my favorite breeder.
Thanks for graciously enduring my rant.

Also, warning about Euro seedbanks, word on the street is, a lot of them, even formerly reputable ones, are buying bulk seed and putting different names on it, so your experience may be an example of that.

DNA is solid, I have a bunch of Kosher Kush F2 seeds made by a friend, but no fems.

You might be better off ordering some proven clones, but that has its own set of risks.

Cheers, would love to hear what you decide on!

 

[Bosgrower]

Take a look at Dynasty Genetics dynastyseeds.com/
In addition to breeding outstanding strains, there's a wealth of information about most of the strains they offer

 

[Michael Huntherz]

Take a look at Dynasty Genetics dynastyseeds.com/
In addition to breeding outstanding strains, there's a wealth of information about most of the strains they offer

Hell yeah, but OP is looking for fems. I am bullish on Dynasty, I am doing breeding projects focused on Dynasty gear and Tangie crosses. In fact. I will be making some Fems of Dynasty’s lines, if OP wants to wait for like a year.

 

[Gemtree]

Emailed bog and he said hes quit and moving cause his mrs has a big stroke any seeds left are old and he recommends not buying

Damn bogbubble was one of the first seeds I bought and still have a pack of sour bubble from like 7yrs ago. That's sad

 

[Michael Huntherz]

Emailed bog and he said hes quit and moving cause his mrs has a big stroke any seeds left are old and he recommends not buying

Oh damn, I completely missed this post, that’s really sad. I definitely had a good impression of them. I have stroke victims both late and living in my close family. I understand the burden it creates. I am so sorry for them both. Dang.

 

[freewanderer04]

Grown 13 strains over past few yrs trying to find a good stable indica 8ish weeker with consistent high yields.
Had a few but these poly x poly hybrids are killin me.


Hunting true genetics most predictable genetics.

Atm my breeders list is
Dinafem
Tga
DNA
And CSI hulbolt

I know there genetics but it's been 5 years since I even thought about other companies. There is so many to debunk ...
Who would you recommend and if any strain in particular feel free to Chime in

As a small hobby grower, I can definitely relate. Most strains nowadays are a roll of the dice and unstable as hell. La Plata Labs has some Bubba hybrids they have locked down so check them out on seedsherenow.com. Also, I noticed AK Bean Brains has a Purple Hindu Kush Backcross that would prob be something you're looking for. His gear is on jbcseeds.com. Bodhi is also on there. The Heavenly Hashplant and Deep Line Alchemy lines would prob interest you. Hope this helps!

 

[Thundercat]

I dont get any herms ever . I just want stable genetics nothing I grow seems to be true eg I can buy the same seeds and not know how there gona grow. Could go big or small etc

I want uniformity predictability and consistency on a strain I can maximise. I'm currently doing skittles it's nice and I average 1.7gpw but some plants go big some small some fat I have to take from cuttings and I'm bored of cuts I have no room I dont know if i can trust people with the strains ingrew cheese that was more like a widdow. Then next cheese from same guy was blues it's just random names.

So if I start seed in my hydro scrog system I wana know what it will do . I want all 8 to come up hopefully identical or not far off phones.

But I want my yield. Some strains I done yield different to others obviously and I dont wana do 14week on a seed that says 600gsqm and only pushes 250 and not true


I normaly use dinafem there been good to me.

Now I'm looking at after talking with breeders

DNA og kush and kosher and their stable f1s they've had years.they say it's a stable generation they bx and use in their strains.

Ace seeds bubba kush
Pck kali
Violeta


Ace seeds is the only one who does full lab reports terp and cannabinoid profiles on f1 hybrids from stable crosses they made from reputable breeders.


And bog with his life saver and south bubble and blue kush. Of which are bx 3 strains from Boston but usa only and hes retiring with medical condition. But being a 1972 breeder in cali medical scene holding good true genepools.
But bog mr nice and greenthumb are all regs I want fem

Dr greenthumbs g13

I dont want landrzce I want stable true genetics I can rely on time and time again

Michael what do you reccomend? With that info I doubt u would use shit breeders

What you are looking for is an IBL varietal that has been worked to an f5+ generation by an actual breeder that knows how to select traits. Sadly there are less of those on the market then there should be because so many people just want the latest F1 hype. So most seed producers aren’t actually breeding they are just pollen chucking and creating names to sell seeds to kids.

 

[Michael Huntherz]

What you are looking for is an IBL varietal that has been worked to an f5+ generation by an actual breeder that knows how to select traits. Sadly there are less of those on the market then there should be because so many people just want the latest F1 hype. So most seed producers aren’t actually breeding they are just pollen chucking and creating names to sell seeds to kids.

Followed your profile, because you’re making a lot of sense.

That’s my takeaway exactly, but trying to find feminized seeds within those parameters is a tough game. HSO and Crockett come to mind, which are sometimes hard to get. I just ordered Dynasty’s newest Oregon Huckleberry IBL which has 7 total generations inbred, 3 on one side, 4 on the other, but they are regs.