RUN OFF PPM IS THIS OKAY?

[xtsho]

oh okay cause i saw some post that runoff ppm matters. I'm a newbie,

Posts from newer growers that learned how to grow by watching youtube video's.

Worry about what goes in. If you do that right you have nothing to worry about. These growers chasing runoff end up like a dog chasing it's tail.

 

[xtsho]

Best answer.

Runoff in coco is information and that is valuable, but reacting to that info too quickly is where most run into problems. Don't chase numbers, chase healthy plants.

I've never once checked runoff growing in coco. I grow healthy plants from start to finish because I pay attention to what goes in not what goes out.

 

[giantcola]

Posts from newer growers that learned how to grow by watching youtube video's.

Worry about what goes in. If you do that right you have nothing to worry about. These growers chasing runoff end up like a dog chasing it's tail.

I agree, you can’t really trust numbers, it is just to give a starting point. If someone is a newer grower and doesn’t know how to dial in nutrients, this would be a bit more precise than sticking to the 50% recommended dosage from the chart.. once you know what your plant needs is no longer important, but every plant may need different nutrients in every stage of her life, and the runoff method could give you the chance to dial things more precisely if combined with love and visual inspections.

 

[B|uDreamer]

I've never once checked runoff growing in coco. I grow healthy plants from start to finish because I pay attention to what goes in not what goes out.

Okay? I, as a new grower, overfed and locked out calcium. Some of us do run into issues from time to time. Hopefully one day I may be as skilled a grower as you and only grow perfect plants.

 

[DaFreak]

In 20

Dude growing has no truth, everyone does it different. That’s the point of debating, listening to other people as well as saying your opinions, if you explain your reasons to say that monitoring runoff is pointless i’ll listen to you, but if you do the arrogant professor like that no one would find that useful.
There’s no black and no white, a ton of commercial and experienced growers are monitoring runoff and thinking about being smarter then all of them, because you aren’t wasting time monitoring runoff sounds so stupid to me. Stop acting like you know the truth of growing please and be more open minded to explain your answers, instead of acting like you are the best grower in the world. You may have grown for 20 years but always grown like shit

i have to agree with him after reading your reply. Keep reading your runoff and you do you though.

 

[DaFreak]

This would be more precise no doubt, but in coco symptoms of buildup can show in 2 days with tip burn, but deficiencies can show in one week or so..

Sorry to ask, but how does that happen if you are doing it correctly? Whenever I hear growers say something happened over night I just think that they either don’t know how to read their plants or are missing something. To go from fine to burn in 2 days?

 

[SnidleyBluntash]

Run off CAN matter, for example, I had a plant that was dying, crispy leaves... in a red solo cup. Did a small run off test and the ppm was 3690ppm. Well no wonder it was dying. It was too much organic kelp and worm castings I guess. So run off CAN be used to save a plant.

 

[xtsho]

Okay? I, as a new grower, overfed and locked out calcium. Some of us do run into issues from time to time. Hopefully one day I may be as skilled a grower as you and only grow perfect plants.

Locked out calcium? Growing in coco? I find that hard to believe unless you overfed by dumping a bunch of high P & K boosters on your plants. That will lock out calcium. Which goes back to my point. If what goes in is good then everything will be good. You guys overfeeding your plants are not going to fix anything chasing runoff. And how does runoff ppm tell you what's in the runoff? Do you have some PPM meter that has a special feature that tells you what's in it and that you locked out calcium?

And the way to become a good grower is to follow basic plant science and horticulture not the cannabis broscience. Pretend your plant is a vegetable in the garden and treat it as such. It's not some special plant with all the special requirements some people make it out to be. Too many people are turning growing cannabis into a science experiment and having a terrible time at it. Give it light and feed it what it needs. No more no less. That's the ticket to a successful grow. Overfeeding because you think that bottle of snake oil is going to make your buds massive only leads to problems. Which you apparently found out.

Run off CAN matter, for example, I had a plant that was dying, crispy leaves... in a red solo cup. Did a small run off test and the ppm was 3690ppm. Well no wonder it was dying. It was too much organic kelp and worm castings I guess. So run off CAN be used to save a plant.

Again, if you take care of what goes in then everything follows.

 

[B|uDreamer]

Locked out calcium? Growing in coco? I find that hard to believe unless you overfed by dumping a bunch of high P & K boosters on your plants. That will lock out calcium. Which goes back to my point. If what goes in is good then everything will be good. You guys overfeeding your plants are not going to fix anything chasing runoff. And how does runoff ppm tell you what's in the runoff? Do you have some PPM meter that has a special feature that tells you what's in it and that you locked out calcium?

And the way to become a good grower is to follow basic plant science and horticulture not the cannabis broscience. Pretend your plant is a vegetable in the garden and treat it as such. It's not some special plant with all the special requirements some people make it out to be. Too many people are turning growing cannabis into a science experiment and having a terrible time at it. Give it light and feed it what it needs. No more no less. That's the ticket to a successful grow. Overfeeding because you think that bottle of snake oil is going to make your buds massive only leads to problems. Which you apparently found out.




Again, if you take care of what goes in then everything follows.

Holy assumptions Batman! Did you read my comment? I said runoff in coco is info, all info is valuable, followed by don't chase numbers, chase healthy plants. I quoted the person saying don't worry about runoff, your plants are healthy. We're on the same page mostly, except for you believing runoff to be completely irrelevant and being just a tad bit douchey about it.

My ppm meter tells me the same thing it tells commercial facilites monitoring their waste, the amount of dissolved solids aka salts, in the waste water.

Nope, no snake oil, bloom boosters, terpene enhancers, or PGR's. Just Canna Coco A&B, coco, light, and water. Pretty happy with my "science experiment" so far.

 

[DaFreak]

Run off CAN matter, for example, I had a plant that was dying, crispy leaves... in a red solo cup. Did a small run off test and the ppm was 3690ppm. Well no wonder it was dying. It was too much organic kelp and worm castings I guess. So run off CAN be used to save a plant.

You wouldn't know that from the crispy leaf?

 

[DaFreak]

Holy assumptions Batman! Did you read my comment? I said runoff in coco is info, all info is valuable, followed by don't chase numbers, chase healthy plants. I quoted the person saying don't worry about runoff, your plants are healthy. We're on the same page mostly, except for you believing runoff to be completely irrelevant and being just a tad bit douchey about it.

My ppm meter tells me the same thing it tells commercial facilites monitoring their waste, the amount of dissolved solids aka salts, in the waste water.

Nope, no snake oil, bloom boosters, terpene enhancers, or PGR's. Just Canna Coco A&B, coco, light, and water. Pretty happy with my "science experiment" so far.
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Ok let me ask you this, you may read your run-off, but is it to put your mind at rest or do you actually make adjustments based on that. Because looking at those plants I very much doubt you did. Jut saying.

 

[xtsho]

Holy assumptions Batman! Did you read my comment? I said runoff in coco is info, all info is valuable, followed by don't chase numbers, chase healthy plants. I quoted the person saying don't worry about runoff, your plants are healthy. We're on the same page mostly, except for you believing runoff to be completely irrelevant and being just a tad bit douchey about it.

My ppm meter tells me the same thing it tells commercial facilites monitoring their waste, the amount of dissolved solids aka salts, in the waste water.

Nope, no snake oil, bloom boosters, terpene enhancers, or PGR's. Just Canna Coco A&B, coco, light, and water. Pretty happy with my "science experiment" so far.
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Your plants look ok I'll give you that but I doubt it had anything to do with checking runoff but more to do with the fact that you didn't dump a bunch of stuff on them and stuck with just basic nutrients which is something I advocate and have been for some time. Keep it up.

 

[B|uDreamer]

Ok let me ask you this, you may read your run-off, but is it to put your mind at rest or do you actually make adjustments based on that. Because looking at those plants I very much doubt you did. Jut saying.

Your plants look ok I'll give you that but I doubt it had anything to do with checking runoff but more to do with the fact that you didn't dump a bunch of stuff on them and stuck with just basic nutrients which is something I advocate and have been for some time. Keep it up.

I'm brand new to cannabis so it helped me confirm my suspicions when I had a slight problem. I do check it infrequently more for curiousity but I'm not even advocating that. I think it can be valuable information when you have a problem. Otherwise I believe feeding light, feeding often, and feeding to runoff is all you need to do in coco. Completely agree basic science and simple nutrients are keys and that people over complicate things.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

I agree, you can’t really trust numbers, it is just to give a starting point. If someone is a newer grower and doesn’t know how to dial in nutrients, this would be a bit more precise than sticking to the 50% recommended dosage from the chart.. once you know what your plant needs is no longer important, but every plant needs different nutrients in every stage of her life, and the runoff method could give you the chance to dial things more precisely if combined with love and visual inspections

you don't know

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

i bet your stupid pen isn't even calibrated correctly

you should throw those things away too while you're at it

right einstein?

 

[DaFreak]

Looking at run-off ppm in drain time waste will not help you dial in anything, only reading your plants will. Don’t understand how you can say every plant needs something different and not get that it’s just about reading them. In drain to waste the only time I’ve ever needed a ppm is when adding a new product or using it to test my water. I go years never touching them.

 

[giantcola]

Sorry to ask, but how does that happen if you are doing it correctly? Whenever I hear growers say something happened over night i just think that they either don’t know how to read their plants or are missing something. To go from fine to burn in 2 days?

Sometimes happens that you don’t do thing correctly..
My last crop i defoliated one plant too heavily and i forgot to dilute the feeding solution, she went from fine to a little tip burn in just two days.

 

[giantcola]

you don't know

marijuana could grow equally well with a different spectrum of nutrient ratios and without the need to be too precise or stick to “cannabis advanced crap” nutrients, but for quantity? Some growers slowly increase the food until tip burn comes and then back off about 10-20%, but this only comes within days in hydro. Monitoring runoff or reservoir is immediate

Looking at run-off ppm in drain time waste will not help you dial in anything, only reading your plants will. Don’t understand how you can say every plant needs something different and not get that it’s just about reading them. In drain to waste the only time I’ve ever needed a ppm is when adding a new product or using it to test my water. I go years never touching them.

Ok, let’s suppose that a not so expert grower or a “distracted” one (like me, sometimes i get so f*cking high that i mess up with the garden somehow) sees one of his plants going deficient with the same feeding schedule as other plants.
Something is off, how to tell what is it? Maybe you can throw her more food thinking she wants more and the problem gets worst.
By reading runoff you can tell, for example, if the plant is not able to uptake some locked out nutrients, like when calcium and phosphates bind together, and proceed by consequence

 

[DaFreak]

I know that by knowing what I put in and getting run-off. Seriously guy, if you’re depending on run-off to tell you something you’re not understanding something.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

marijuana could grow equally well with a different spectrum of nutrient ratios and without the need to be too precise or stick to “cannabis advanced crap” nutrients, but for quantity? Some growers slowly increase the food until tip burn comes and then back off about 10-20%, but this only comes within days in hydro. Monitoring runoff or reservoir is immediate

Ok, let’s suppose that a not so expert grower or a “distracted” one (like me, sometimes i get so f*cking high that i mess up with the garden somehow) sees one of his plants going deficient with the same feeding schedule as other plants.
Something is off, how to tell what is it? Maybe you can throw her more food thinking she wants more and the problem gets worst.
By reading runoff you can tell, for example, if the plant is not able to uptake some locked out nutrients, like when calcium and phosphates bind together, and proceed by consequence

so you really think by checking run-off EC, that will tell you if Ca and K are binding up?

cmon einstein