Is she big enough to flower???

[DrGreentoes]

Hey rollers! For the purposes of this grow i’d like to flower as early as i possibly can while maintaining good bud quality/density. My gorilla glue is about a month and a half now ( had a very slow start the first 2-3 weeks due to financial situation but now everythings up and running) and stands about 9’ from the top of the soil, so could i force her into flower without harming her or the quality of the buds? Also should i flush her for a week prior to flipping?

 

[JoeBlow5823]

You can flip whenever you want. The longer you wait, the bigger she will get. Do not flush. Flushing is for toilets.

 

[Silentvirtue]

Hey! Alot of people only veg 3/4 weeks, others 7/8 weeks and others between that.

Patience and working out total growing space (W x H) now width isn't so much the issue as you can manipulate these to fill what ever widths wide or small. This would depend on what you're doing; scrog, sog, mainlining, stand alone lollipop etc.

Now height on the other hand is important. To work this out measure the distance from the light at its upper most position and the top of the plant pot then minus the hanging height of the light (12-18 inches). So for example if this gap was 4ft veg untill they are just under 2ft as some plants during stretch can double in height.

If space isn't a concern and it's just because you don't want to wait any longer, then that's also fine.

Your final yield does depend on how long you veg for. Longer veg bigger plant. Bigger plant bigger buds. Providing enviromental and nutrition needs are met accordingly.

 

[Silentvirtue]

You can flip whenever you want. The longer you wait, the bigger she will get. Do not flush. Flushing is for toilets.

This debate is as old as growing. I flush and notice the difference. My intermediate flush between veg and flower is not a flush as such. I feed twice with pH'd water, AN Pirhana, AN Tarantula and AN Voodoo Juice. Before starting bloom nutes.

Final flush is done with AN Flawless Finish for major flush out. Then plain un-pH'd tap water (0.1 EC @ pH 7.7/8 for the remaining 10-14 days.

However some like above choose not to flush. The debate continues.

 

[THT]

For the purposes of this grow i’d like to flower as early as i possibly can

Hey DrGreenToes, I run all my grows at 12/12 from seed. This guarantees you to work on the plants/strains fastest schedule. Most strains will grow in vegetative state for at least 2 weeks before preflowers -- some go naturally for 5+ weeks under 12/12 from the start, then there's another ~1-3 weeks of stretch time (strain dependent) and you're off to flower.
honestly I see almost no reason to run plants in veg for the average grower (clones and re-veg aside) - I am able to harvest 4 times per year with most strains as opposed to 3 times per year, some plants still get massively huge and overflow the tent even without veg time. I made the switch to 12/12 from seed almost 10 years ago and I've never looked back.

 

[Silentvirtue]

Hey DrGreenToes, I run all my grows at 12/12 from seed. This guarantees you to work on the plants/strains fastest schedule. Most strains will grow in vegetative state for at least 2 weeks before preflowers -- some go naturally for 5+ weeks under 12/12 from the start, then there's another ~1-3 weeks of stretch time (strain dependent) and you're off to flower.
honestly I see almost no reason to run plants in veg for the average grower (clones and re-veg aside) - I am able to harvest 4 times per year with most strains as opposed to 3 times per year, some plants still get massively huge and overflow the tent even without veg time. I made the switch to 12/12 from seed almost 10 years ago and I've never looked back.

Interesting never thought anyone did this.

 

[THT]

Interesting never thought anyone did this.

There's an entire thread devoted to 12/12 from seed somewhere around here. Some folks even run 10/14 from seed and claim the same results.

 

[Silentvirtue]

That's mental. I'll look that up. Always interested in new methods and the science behind them.

 

[DrGreentoes]

This debate is as old as growing. I flush and notice the difference. My intermediate flush between veg and flower is not a flush as such. I feed twice with pH'd water, AN Pirhana, AN Tarantula and AN Voodoo Juice. Before starting bloom nutes.

Final flush is done with AN Flawless Finish for major flush out. Then plain un-pH'd tap water (0.1 EC @ pH 7.7/8 for the remaining 10-14 days.

However some like above choose not to flush. The debate continues.

I’ve been using the remo nutrients line so are there any equivalent to the nutes you listed for your intermediate flush?

 

[DrGreentoes]

Hey DrGreenToes, I run all my grows at 12/12 from seed. This guarantees you to work on the plants/strains fastest schedule. Most strains will grow in vegetative state for at least 2 weeks before preflowers -- some go naturally for 5+ weeks under 12/12 from the start, then there's another ~1-3 weeks of stretch time (strain dependent) and you're off to flower.
honestly I see almost no reason to run plants in veg for the average grower (clones and re-veg aside) - I am able to harvest 4 times per year with most strains as opposed to 3 times per year, some plants still get massively huge and overflow the tent even without veg time. I made the switch to 12/12 from seed almost 10 years ago and I've never looked back.

That’s really cool! Have you ever run into any issues like herming? I’ve heard that you need to run really good genetics to run 12/12 through veg

 

[THT]

That’s really cool! Have you ever run into any issues like herming? I’ve heard that you need to run really good genetics to run 12/12 through veg

Male flowers on females happen - I've only had a few FULL ON hermies, male parts tend to show up with a lot of fem seeds late in flower, some chem strains also seem to have this tendency.
"really good genetics to run 12/12" - nah - any seed really. In my opinion, all the genetics out there have played their part - but I've yet to grow a plant that didn't perform well under 12/12 from seed.

 

[Silentvirtue]

Ahh Remo I'm trialing these currently on a side project. Now as fair as I am aware no. They are however comparable with all nute lines. Don't get suckered in to buying the 1ltr bottles however. Buy the 250ml bottles as you only need to use them all at 1ml/LTR veg for the first week then 2ml per us GAL for the second week of veg. Then flowering for 2 weeks at 2ml per us GAL. A little goes a very long way.

I’ve been using the remo nutrients line so are there any equivalent to the nutes you listed for your intermediate flush?

 

[Silentvirtue]

For full Remo line up I would bolt on the following

Nirvana or some form of amino acids help with Calmag absorbtion, create higher brix counts, better cell development amongst other things. These must be L handed acids not R handed acids. Plants can't use R handed acids.

Silica like rhino skin creates stronger stems and pest resistance amongst other things.

Hormones, bacteria and fungus in the forms of pirhana tarantula and voodoo juice. Helps protect against desease and infection, promotes more root growth, creates more root hairs, increase nutrient availability and uptake amongst other things

Sensizyme or an equalivient. Helps keeps root healthy and break down organic matter expelled by the plant which in turn helps the bacteria and fungus.

Black strap molasses in addition to the candy. Feeds the bacteria along with the kelp b vits supplied in the kit which in turn helps plants uptake carbohydrates. Has to be unsulphured. Again little goes along way.

House and garden do some nice things too but pricey. All this stuff is used in very small amounts so 1/4 LTR bottle are more than good enough for smaller grows. Also makes it more affordable to the average Joe.

 

[DrGreentoes]

For full Remo line up I would bolt on the following

Nirvana or some form of amino acids help with Calmag absorbtion, create higher brix counts, better cell development amongst other things. These must be L handed acids not R handed acids. Plants can't use R handed acids.

Silica like rhino skin creates stronger stems and pest resistance amongst other things.

Hormones, bacteria and fungus in the forms of pirhana tarantula and voodoo juice. Helps protect against desease and infection, promotes more root growth, creates more root hairs, increase nutrient availability and uptake amongst other things

Sensizyme or an equalivient. Helps keeps root healthy and break down organic matter expelled by the plant which in turn helps the bacteria and fungus.

Black strap molasses in addition to the candy. Feeds the bacteria along with the kelp b vits supplied in the kit which in turn helps plants uptake carbohydrates. Has to be unsulphured. Again little goes along way.

House and garden do some nice things too but pricey. All this stuff is used in very small amounts so 1/4 LTR bottle are more than good enough for smaller grows. Also makes it more affordable to the average Joe.

Ok awesome thanks i took a screenshot of this. The only thing i use out of what you listed is sensizym lol. So would you just add all these to every nute feeding on top of the remo line? Or like alternate certain ones every other feeding for example.