Vortex is the shit, search dairy queen and vortex grow and a page will pop up. Someone posted a pic of there vortex 5 post down, and wow it is fire. Really regret not running subs stuff over the years. I remember I was going to order some ace of spades years ago but went with dungeon vault genetics and thug pug-(Both of those breeders are awesome, some of the best strains I've ever grown with there stuff, by the way) Just kept running there stuff, with sub passing(rip brotha) revisited some of his genetics and was like, I gotta get some beans before they're out for good. Once my beans come in I'm definitely getting some going right away, just a question of which. Think I might run the grape lime ricky 1st. Guaranteed subs gear will hold it's own with thug pug and my dvg stuff. Subs gear is probably more similar to some of the dungeon vault strains come to think of it. Both are geared to those sweet, fruity, candy terps, which I love!!