Why do people say ph doesnt matter

xtsho

xtsho

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Armyofsprout said:
It doesnt help that you have people making videos like this With extremely crappy grows and trying to pass it off as something to be worthwhile. It really brings the community down. Heres someone who planted 15 seeds in winter, got three females and yielded a gram per plant. 3 grams with months of time and no equipment and no nutes either i believe.

honestly people dont get that youd just be better off doing things correctly. We try and get the correct information but theres so much misinformation and crap grows spreading across youtube and net like someone said earlier.
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I clicked just for the heck of it. It took less than 10 seconds to stop watching.
 
Boatguy

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You want some bad looking youtube plants, take a look at black dog vs kind side by side.. Amazing how proud they seem with how awful the plants look. You would think a light manufacturer would at least make an effort at healthy plants
 
andymex

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Armyofsprout said:
never even thought about that


If youre constantly watering with water that is out of range if the buffer in the medium runs out it will be out of whack and sometimes that buffer isnt enough depending on your water.

water with ph that is way too high for too Long and your soil PH will be higher than it should be. Same for water thats too low. I watered at 5.8 before because my pen was out of calibration and was reading too high, but in reality i was phing too low (ex: pen reads at 6.5 but water was actually 5.5)..and after awhile my soil was testing at 5.8 and my plant died from lockout. I didnt get my blue pen until it was too late. Luckily i was able to save some other plants.

as soon as i corrected my waterings everything fixed itself.
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Well maybe you are right. In the video he claims that water ph has almost nothing to do with soil ph, it made sense to me but maybe it is wrong. I have never used a ph meter or an ec meter, I grew in promix and my plants are green and healthy all their life. Did you check the ec levels of your soil ?
 
Sativa83

Sativa83

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Am in my 4 week of vig and am Using ph7 without any nuts when I can start the nuts and is the 7ph is good for my shoreline from divil harvest ??
 
Armyofsprout

Armyofsprout

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andymex said:
Well maybe you are right. In the video he claims that water ph has almost nothing to do with soil ph, it made sense to me but maybe it is wrong. I have never used a ph meter or an ec meter, I grew in promix and my plants are green and healthy all their life. Did you check the ec levels of your soil ?
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i get what theyre saying in the vid tho. That the alkalinity of the water matters vs the PH because that alkalinity will alter your medium over time. Thats good knowledge as well. But in my personal experience if my soil ph is off then watering at the proper PH over time has fixed it
 
andymex

andymex

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Armyofsprout said:
i get what theyre saying in the vid tho. That the alkalinity of the water matters vs the PH because that alkalinity will alter your medium over time. Thats good knowledge as well. But in my personal experience if my soil ph is off then watering at the proper PH over time has fixed it
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Then I have been lucky lol !!!
It is good to know your experience. Will definitely buy a ph meter at some point because im thinking of changing to coco or hydro.
Thanks !!!
 
Armyofsprout

Armyofsprout

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Merlin1147 said:
water pH alone doesn’t tell the whole story. You also need to consider the alkalinity of the water. Not to be confused with alkaline. Alkalinity is the buffering capacity of the water or it ability to resist changes in ph. If you have high pH combined with high alkalinity, that is where you may get problems. the water over time can raise the media pH. If you have high pH with low alkalinity you generally don’t need to adjust the pH.
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good looking out on the info about alkalinity. Gonna push my grows to the next level with all this knowledge.
 
Armyofsprout

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spek9 said:
I just looked at my Amazon account, and found that I bought my $13 pH tester in March of 2013. I've used it ever since over hundreds of plants in perpetual grows during the years since.

I check calibration every three weeks to a month, and have not once had to adjust it. It settles at 4.1 on the 4.0 control, and 7.0 on the 7.0 control.
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well youre lucky. With the shitty PH testers i get the calibration doesnt even last a month And they rarely settle. The blue pen is light years ahead
 
willy_wonka69

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Because they have a lack of understanding on how PH plays into nutrient absolution in plants. Hence why it's recommended to slightly vary your ph after each watering so your plant can uptake nutrients in a more broader way hopefully leading to more nutrient absorption.
 
RetiredGuerilla

RetiredGuerilla

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DOLOMITE LIME. It has calcium and magnesium, will maintain a acceptable PH level and a lifetime supply of cal-mag. The younger generation hates to learn from us old timers and IDK why.
 
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MrMcMeow48

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I'm an under 15 grows newbie: I didn't ph for the first few years and had subpar grows with defs at the end. Yes I got better at guessing but at the expense of too much time wasted. Flash forward last grow, with the right tools (PH pen cheap) there was no guessing and it insures the soil ph stays on point ( less extreme wandering). Take care of your gear and it will take care of you.
 
SPLFreak808

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The confusion between everyone is due a difference in soil composition from one user to the other, use good soil or dial it properly and you can forget about pH.

I swing from 6-8 year around, shit i even use rain water from time to time, a dialed amount of sulfur/lime once a year and microbes do the rest, uptake is better in my garden when pH is allowed to swing by not forcing it.
 
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buenochair

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SPLFreak808 said:
The confusion between everyone is due a difference in soil composition from one user to the other, use good soil or dial it properly and you can forget about pH.

I swing from 6-8 year around, shit i even use rain water from time to time, a dialed amount of sulfur/lime once a year and microbes do the rest, uptake is better in my garden when pH is allowed to swing by not forcing it.
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I also see confusion revolving around the fact that soil ph and hydro ph are read/maintained differently and this thread speaks of both intermittently, just like every other thread I see, maybe because we all smoke too much idk.
 
Mrs. Weedstein

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Armyofsprout said:
haha. You gotta see how proud he is of it in the end.
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I watched the video and it’s basically an indictment of the public schooling system here in the U.S. The poor fucker thinks he got 12/15 males because of the “stress” he put on the plants. I guess they don’t teach about the influence of chromosomes on sex in school anymore, probably too politically incorrect. This guy probably also think that he was born male because his mom was “stressed” from catching a cold while pregnant or something.
 
Jimdamick

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Armyofsprout said:
A lot of people say they go without PHing their water but i have found this impossible for me personally. Even with dolomite in the soil i get crazy ph lockout if i dont ph my water. Ever since buying a bluepen my plants are way better.
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PH is everything for any plant, especially pot plants.
Without the proper PH, the plant will lack the capability of absorbing essential minerals.
For herb you must stay around 6.0/6.3 for a healthy plant, or your going too run into deficiency problems.
That is a scientific fact, so if your watering your plants with a neutral PH of 7.0, your not doing your plant any favor.
They will survive, but not thrive.
 
Jimdamick

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buenochair said:
I also see confusion revolving around the fact that soil ph and hydro ph are read/maintained differently and this thread speaks of both intermittently, just like every other thread I see, maybe because we all smoke too much idk.
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In hydro some people say 5.8 is fine but I say bull shit.
It's too close too a lockout level if it hits 5.7/5.6.
I run my plants at 6.0 in a RDWC & when I used soil, 6.3 was perfect.
Those levels are a sweet spot & if they can be maintained, all is good :)

Here are some plants at 6.0 in a RDWC

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Armyofsprout

Armyofsprout

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Mrs. Weedstein said:
I watched the video and it’s basically an indictment of the public schooling system here in the U.S. The poor fucker thinks he got 12/15 males because of the “stress” he put on the plants. I guess they don’t teach about the influence of chromosomes on sex in school anymore, probably too politically incorrect. This guy probably also think that he was born male because his mom was “stressed” from catching a cold while pregnant or something.
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haha. Its hilarious. In tired of seeing people like “oh i got a quarter off this plant its a great grow Etc” this guy got a gram per PLANT and talks as if its great. I understand people dont got the money but its not even that expensive especially if youre using the sun all you really gotta pay for is nutes at that point. The weather may have been shit but he could've done better if maintained properly. Maybe put them outside a window indoors with the heat on or something. Or he couldve grown one fem plant under cfls indoors and got a better yield.
 
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