What do you consider day 1 of flowering ?

[Redeye 420]

The point is, doesn't matter day one or day two it's ready when she's ready...

 

[Redeye 420]

But getting technical, I flip on pre flower and usually count 5 to 7 days after 12/12..

 

[jondamon]

I feel that the obvious choice is to count from the beginning of flower formation since that’s the most distinct point for observation. This gives the most accurate representation of a plants biological flowering time. However that time will vary based on environment/grow conditions so usually it’s not important to count at all.

most people count flowering time as days of 12/12 lighting.

however the issue is how “growers” interpret breeders flowering times.

newer growers are hung on days And weeks so they can plan the next run for example.

things like this can only be planned when dealing with clones that you’ve flowered before and know how long they take etc.

people need to decide for themselves and stick to what they feel works for them.

me I grow it until it looks ready to my eyes.

then I harvest.

environmental conditions, feeding regime, stress factors, strain traits, phenotype traits and genotype traits will all play factors in harvest times.

NEWBIES learn to grow a plant until it’s actually ready and not to a count down clock.

 

[Kassiopeija]

most people count flowering time as days of 12/12 lighting.

however the issue is how “growers” interpret breeders flowering times.

newer growers are hung on days And weeks so they can plan the next run for example.

things like this can only be planned when dealing with clones that you’ve flowered before and know how long they take etc.

people need to decide for themselves and stick to what they feel works for them.

me I grow it until it looks ready to my eyes.

then I harvest.

environmental conditions, feeding regime, stress factors, strain traits, phenotype traits and genotype traits will all play factors in harvest times.

NEWBIES learn to grow a plant until it’s actually ready and not to a count down clock.

True, but esp. for new growers this can be confusing... so many harvest too early... sometimes plants take 2-3 weeks transition to show flowery meristem shoots... alot of breeders values are fake, but if they go by them... always hard to argue against these 'half-gods' n their numbers... some also start feeding flower nutrition right after 12/12 - PK13/14! when, in fact, the stretch is physiologically a high phase of veg, isn't it...

 

[jondamon]

True, but esp. for new growers this can be confusing... so many harvest too early... sometimes plants take 2-3 weeks transition to show flowery meristem shoots... alot of breeders values are fake, but if they go by them... always hard to argue against these 'half-gods' n their numbers... some also start feeding flower nutrition right after 12/12 - PK13/14! when, in fact, the stretch is physiologically a high phase of veg, isn't it...

my sentiments exactly With one slight difference.

breeders afaik quote timing based on earliest possible harvest time from their fastest finishing phenotypes.
So not necessarily lying perse but not being completely honest with the truth.

now if they said the earliest this strain can be harvested with phenotype A is xxxxx
Phenotype b is xxxxx
Phenotype c is xxxxx

then that would be more informative.

just like g/m2 quoted on breeders listings etc. Phenotype a could harvest xxxx and so on.

 

[Thundercat]

I understand that many breeders and most indoor growers “count from flip”, and that those times are rarely accurate to what the plant actually needs.

From my experience breeder flower times are much more accurate if you actually count from flower formation rather then from 12/12. And outdoors it’s obvious that bud set is the indication for when the plant has transitioned to flower.

I stopped counting years ago though, and just watch the signs my plants give me and wait till they are done.

 

[spek9]

I understand that many breeders and most indoor growers “count from flip”, and that those times are rarely accurate to what the plant actually needs.

From my experience breeder flower times are much more accurate if you actually count from flower formation rather then from 12/12. And outdoors it’s obvious that bud set is the indication for when the plant has transitioned to flower.

I stopped counting years ago though, and just watch the signs my plants give me and wait till they are done.

Only reason I count is to ensure that my perpetual grows stay in sync.

Mind you, I only know how many weeks a plant flowers for because I've grown the strain several times in the past. The vast majority of the time I'm right within the week I aimed for. Periodically I have to push it off a week because of variances between plants, but not often. Exceptionally rarely I harvest the week earlier than my target, but it has happened.

 

[Cookie Rider]

I do "day of flip"
And note "day of first signs of flower forming".
Some take longer than others.
You can't set your clock to when you'll chop, but you can learn when the time is right by looks.

Try not to over OCD growing, I have and it nukes the fun out of it,
and didn't help results.
Taking notes helps as a reference to look back on.

 

[Thundercat]

Only reason I count is to ensure that my perpetual grows stay in sync.

Mind you, I only know how many weeks a plant flowers for because I've grown the strain several times in the past. The vast majority of the time I'm right within the week I aimed for. Periodically I have to push it off a week because of variances between plants, but not often. Exceptionally rarely I harvest the week earlier than my target, but it has happened.

I totally understand that. I ran a 45ish plant perpetual on a 2-3 week cycle of 10-12 plants each batch for the last 10 years. There was definitely times it was challenging to balance the various harvest needs of multiple strains in the same system. There were some strains that would have to stay in for extra time and others I got to pull out from the cycle earlier. There was only a few points where things got too over packed waiting to harvest.

 

[spek9]

There was only a few points where things got too over packed waiting to harvest.

The sure sign of a fellow perpetual grower... it's that "oh crap" moment about a week and a half before the next harvest/replace cycle where you realize that you know you'll have an over crowded tent soon, and there's not a thing you can do about it

 

[Kassiopeija]

Does anyone here ever harvested a plant in a 45 days flower-cycle and brought it to bud out properly + some amber trichs within this time-frame (45 days)?

 

[Kassiopeija]

and there's not a thing you can do about it

*orders another tent*

 

[spek9]

*orders another tent*

I have SEVEN! LMAO

 

[The8thChevron]

I can't even get a good answer on what day 1 of veg is. I count from the moment they break the surface, but others count it as when the first true leaves open. Still others count it when the 3rd set of leaves come in (which I suppose makes sense as that's when it officially passes the seedling stage IMO, but w/e).

Point being, no internet search or forum will ever give you a definite answer. Worst case scenario, you can estimate your progress within a week of other growers. Use what works for you and you'll find your own rhythm.

 

[Thundercat]

Does anyone here ever harvested a plant in a 45 days flower-cycle and brought it to bud out properly + some amber trichs within this time-frame (45 days)?

Nope, but I also haven't tried to find the fastest plant possible. I’ve only ran a few really indica dominant plants over the years. I’ve always liked the growth from hybrids more for my grow style, and I haven't had one done in 45 days.

Most hybrids need a solid 9-10 weeks of actual flower time where they are forming buds. Add 1-3 weeks to that for the transition period from veg to flower and it’s easy to see why so many new growers are trying to harvest plants to early.

 

[Kassiopeija]

I have SEVEN! LMAO

how come? XD

 

[Thundercat]

I can't even get a good answer on what day 1 of veg is. I count from the moment they break the surface, but others count it as when the first true leaves open. Still others count it when the 3rd set of leaves come in (which I suppose makes sense as that's when it officially passes the seedling stage IMO, but w/e).

Point being, no internet search or forum will ever give you a definite answer. Worst case scenario, you can estimate your progress within a week of other growers. Use what works for you and you'll find your own rhythm.

That’s exactly why you need to go read outside these places and read actually botany resources. Cannabis is just a plant like many others.



It sounds like you have been figuring things alright from your explanation of what you think seedling and veg are.

 

[spek9]

how come? XD

I have tents in pairs. A 4x4' for flower, with an accompanying 2x4' for veg. Three separate environments. First one is for pure sinsemilla production. Next one is used solely for pollen and seed making, along with various experiments. The third is for random one-off experiments, or if someone asks me to do specific comparison tests for them (I only turn up these tents if someone is financing it).

Then I have a single 2x3x3' tent for my cloner and freshly dropped seeds. This tent is shared across all other environments.

I have three tents running currently. The production flower tent will be shut down in about five weeks. The experiment tents will be shut down in about seven. For a while, I'll run just a single 2x4x5' in flower, just to continue with pollen and seed production. I'll then start up the whole thing again come the fall.

 

[Kassiopeija]

That’s exactly why you need to go read outside these places and read actually botany resources. Cannabis is just a plant like many others.

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It sounds like you have been figuring things alright from your explanation of what you think seedling and veg are.

it's a good chart, but just on NPK, yet there is S, Ca, Mg, Few, Mn, Co, Zn, B, Cl, Mo, Ko (Si) that would be mandatory (or supportive) for Cannabis. Would be nice to have a chart for the whole nutrition demands of Cannabis over the whole development, esp. flowering... I talked to Dr. Who about this subject which shook around my previous believes quite a bit. Subsequently diving a bit further into the matter - I found everything he stated to be true.

You are right, I also tried to learn growing by potheads forums but it caused alot of confusion as well. Schoolgrade learning book on plants are much better... as someone with a high grade of knowledge may have looked over them....

 

[Kassiopeija]

I have tents in pairs. A 4x4' for flower, with an accompanying 2x4' for veg. Three separate environments. First one is for pure sinsemilla production. Next one is used solely for pollen and seed making, along with various experiments. The third is for random one-off experiments, or if someone asks me to do specific comparison tests for them (I only turn up these tents if someone is financing it).

Then I have a single 2x3x3' tent for my cloner and freshly dropped seeds. This tent is shared across all other environments.

I have three tents running currently. The production flower tent will be shut down in about five weeks. The experiment tents will be shut down in about seven. For a while, I'll run just a single 2x4x5' in flower, just to continue with pollen and seed production. I'll then start up the whole thing again come the fall.

Intriguing... how do you keep the male apart from the females + prevent the pollen spreads everywhere when opening the tent...?

I have a hard time imagining what this "financing" could be? Especially because of the extra workload...?