Plant Drooping After watering

[420ROB710]

Growing in coco coir with Flood and drain growin in waxy cups Plants are too weak old their is 12 jungleboys sundaedriver#19 from seed one gorilla goo from seed and one runtz from seed. All are doing well except the runtz plant its drooping pretty hard. Res temp is 75f tent temp is about 85f humiduty is 52% please help pics attached

 

[Gastheblast]

Why you running ebb flow with coco. Rockwool would be much better. Plus you should atleast have mixed the coco with perlite so the roots can have air.

 

[420ROB710]

I was very much confused on rockwool but honestly I do wanna run rockwool on my next run and stick with it moving forward.

 

[Gastheblast]

I just dont see how someone can help when your making your own grow system . Just my opinion though. Anyhow there deff overwatered. And you might want to make your growing medium 50/50 coco perlite. Im no expert but do know roots need to breath. Or you will run into root rot problems how often do you flood?

 

[CannaCountry]

I don't see anything wrong with your plant, plants or the way you're growing. Ebb and Flow, coupled with pure coco will work just fine. Perlite, while some like to employ it, is not necessary if you're using any sort of quality coco. I would simply carry on. Good luck.

 

[teddy bonkers]

cept for the dixie cups, not to sure bout that, but everything else looks fine.

 

[Thundercat]

Tons of people run ebb and flow with pure coco with fantastic results. Rockwool can be much trickier, and is most often employed with drip systems.

My personal medium of choice for it is growrocks(or hydroton). They allow great oxygenation and root growth and they can be washed and reused for years.

Anyway your plants look nice and healthy. Leaves move up and down through out the day and in reaction to things, but those don’t look “droopy” to me.

I assume the paper cups is temporary? I would suggest using something more sturdy then that. Even 2 liter pop bottles can work great if you are on a budget. Cut them to the size you want and put drainage holes all over the bottoms.

 

[xtsho]

I run 100% coco with no added perlite and the plants love it. I used to use perlite but I hate that stuff. I don't want it around and it's not necessary with any decent coco so you're fine with using straight coco. Lots of growers do.

cept for the dixie cups, not to sure bout that, but everything else looks fine.

Yeah those cups are no good. Eventually they'll degrade to where they fall apart.

Tons of people run ebb and flow with pure coco with fantastic results. Rockwool can be much trickier, and is most often employed with drip systems.

My personal medium of choice for it is growrocks(or hydroton). They allow great oxygenation and root growth and they can be washed and reused for years.

That's what I used when doing flood and drain. I used the same hydroton for years. Just kept washing it off.

 

[spek9]

I run 100% coco with no added perlite and the plants love it.

As I'm sure most know that you do extensive gardening outside of just cannabis, curious what you do with your medium after a cannabis run.

Do you just throw it into a compost bin for oudoor use, or what's your procedure for that?

With my peat (Sunshine #4), I put it into a compost bin, but separate from my main bin that I put veggie trimmings and such in. I do it this way because in some of my outdoor gardens (ground and container) I do not use synthetic nutrients, but in others I do.

 

[xtsho]

As I'm sure most know that you do extensive gardening outside of just cannabis, curious what you do with your medium after a cannabis run.

Do you just throw it into a compost bin for oudoor use, or what's your procedure for that?

With my peat (Sunshine #4), I put it into a compost bin, but separate from my main bin that I put veggie trimmings and such in. I do it this way because in some of my outdoor gardens (ground and container) I do not use synthetic nutrients, but in others I do.

With coco I let it dry out on the rootball and then beat and shake as much off as I can get and mix that with fresh coco and grow plants in it. The root ball gets composted and eventually ends up in the outdoor garden plots or into soil I mix myself. With soil I shake off as much as possible and reuse it. I'll re-amend it, add some compost and stuff then let it cook in bags for a few months and use it for everything from cannabis to fuchsia's to artichokes.

I don't separate what I compost based on synthetic or organic nutes used. I figure after a year composting with all my other plant trimmings and stuff it's organic enough for me. It's not as if the amount of matter is really that substantial. I'm tossing kitchen scraps, yard clippings, leaves, etc... into the pile. But it turns into some damn nice compost to use when mixing soil.

Eventually everything is going to end up in my garden plots which is why I don't want perlite. I don't want anymore of that stuff in my soil. I was putting it into the garden via used soil and coco but it sucks when you're growing root crops like radishes, carrots, beets, turnips, etc... Jagged edges mangling you're produce as it grows. I've banned perlite except for what comes in store bought soil that will just continuously be reused for container plants. I'm going to start using rice hulls and a little sand when I mix future batches of soil.

 

[spek9]

With coco I let it dry out on the rootball and then beat and shake as much off as I can get and mix that with fresh coco and grow plants in it. The root ball gets composted and eventually ends up in the outdoor garden plots or into soil I mix myself. With soil I shake off as much as possible and reuse it. I'll re-amend it, add some compost and stuff then let it cook in bags for a few months and use it for everything from cannabis to fuchsia's to artichokes.

I don't separate what I compost based on synthetic or organic nutes used. I figure after a year composting with all my other plant trimmings and stuff it's organic enough for me. It's not as if the amount of matter is really that substantial. I'm tossing kitchen scraps, yard clippings, leaves, etc... into the pile. But it turns into some damn nice compost to use when mixing soil.

Eventually everything is going to end up in my garden plots which is why I don't want perlite. I don't want anymore of that stuff in my soil. I was putting it into the garden via used soil and coco but it sucks when you're growing root crops like radishes, carrots, beets, turnips, etc... Jagged edges mangling you're produce as it grows. I've banned perlite except for what comes in store bought soil that will just continuously be reused for container plants. I'm going to start using rice hulls and a little sand when I mix future batches of soil.

Thanks for the detailed response. Very informative, and since I just pulled a bunch of icicle radishes yesterday, the whole rough ride on the flesh is quite understandable.

I don't re-use my indoor medium for new indoor grows. To be blunt, it's fear based on previous experience of infestation problems. However, both times I had infestations, my indoor plants went out, and came back inside again, so there's probably no basis for the fear I have of reusing my indoor medium.

EDIT: Replaced occurrences of "soil" with "medium". I've got to stop using the terms interchangeably, even when I think I'm speaking directly to just one other person.

 

[xtsho]

Thanks for the detailed response. Very informative, and since I just pulled a bunch of icicle radishes yesterday, the whole rough ride on the flesh is quite understandable.

I don't re-use my indoor soil for new indoor grows. To be blunt, it's fear based on previous experience of infestation problems. However, both times I had infestations, my indoor plants went out, and came back inside again, so there's probably no basis for the fear I have of reusing my indoor soil.

Exactly! Radishes don't like perlite.

I understand the concern with infestation. Still, I do reuse soil and then it sit's outside while it ferments. I use it for indoor plants. I've never had a problem yet. Knock on wood. I do preventive spraying with neem weekly during veg and I spray the top of the coco or soil I'm growing in as well. Neem is both an insecticide and a fungicide so it helps with the prevention of not just pests but powdery mildew and other molds as well.

Preventative measures can eliminate many problems that once have manifested themselves are very difficult to eradicate.

Oh, I love those icicle radishes. I grew them for the first time this year. Delicious.

 

[spek9]

Exactly! Radishes don't like perlite.

I understand the concern with infestation. Still, I do reuse soil and then it sit's outside while it ferments. I use it for indoor plants. I've never had a problem yet. Knock on wood. I do preventive spraying with neem weekly during veg and I spray the top of the coco or soil I'm growing in as well. Neem is both an insecticide and a fungicide so it helps with the prevention of not just pests but powdery mildew and other molds as well.

Preventative measures can eliminate many problems that once have manifested themselves are very difficult to eradicate.

Oh, I love those icicle radishes. I grew them for the first time this year. Delicious.

Extracted another nice procedure you use there... Neem as preventative. I had no idea you did that. I've got a bottle of concentrated Neem that I keep just in case. What's your dilution ratio for your veg prevention misting?

Also, this was my first year ever growing icicle radishes as well. My wife picked up the seeds from a local farmer when we were there for some card playing. Somehow it got into seed discussion (not surprising considering it was sowing season), and went from there. I think I let them go a few days too long though. We ate a couple in a spring leaf salad, and parts were a bit pethy. Just the very top and bottom though, the rest was great. Flavour wasn't as vibrant as what I'm used to in what I knew as radishes, but still a nice refreshing bit of crunch.

 

[420ROB710]

Tons of people run ebb and flow with pure coco with fantastic results. Rockwool can be much trickier, and is most often employed with drip systems.

My personal medium of choice for it is growrocks(or hydroton). They allow great oxygenation and root growth and they can be washed and reused for years.

Anyway your plants look nice and healthy. Leaves move up and down through out the day and in reaction to things, but those don’t look “droopy” to me.

I assume the paper cups is temporary? I would suggest using something more sturdy then that. Even 2 liter pop bottles can work great if you are on a budget. Cut them to the size you want and put drainage holes all over the bottoms.

Thank you for the advice I appreciate all advice given and I'll try the 2 liter bottles.

 

[Thundercat]

Thank you for the advice I appreciate all advice given and I'll try the 2 liter bottles.

Just a cheap option. Get the green ones to reduce algae growth. Honestly real 6inch pots aren’t very expensive either. I just figured with the current cups that diy might be your style.

 

[420ROB710]

Just a cheap option. Get the green ones to reduce algae growth. Honestly real 6inch pots aren’t very expensive either. I just figured with the current cups that diy might be your style.

Yeah I actually got the idea from a grower on youtube by the name of VaderOG I dont think the waxie cups are for me I'm going to get pots today... thank you again for the advice.