Anyone ever combined organic and synthetic growing?
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Powertech
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Wow, I've never actually seen anybody use Growmore other than me on here....must be a California thing?
ganga gurl420
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Love this! Thank you for posting!I'm not drinking the Kool-Aid. Neither did this guy. He made some good points about the study.
March 2, 2017 at 10:47 am
in regards to the study you have a link to, I believe it is flawed. When using plate count method you are growing anaerobic microbes. Plate count methodology is great for assaying human pathogens (what they were created for) however they fail to give a true indication an healthy soils microbial count and/or biomass.
Also when using plate counts the food source provided to the microbes is extremely limited. They are 000’s of different foods in healthy soil bacteria and fungi use to grow, how can we expect aerobic microbes to grow in anaerobic conditions with limited food source?
To assess soil life you need to use direct microscopy not plate count methods. Miss information can come from everywhere and I think this case the the study you are referencing.
Ha, also the organic ferts used consisted of neem cake!!!! a pesticide used to control nematodes. You think that it kills bad nematodes and not the good ones? Its clear the people running the study have know idea about soil microbiology. As someone who understands soil biology would not use neem cake as a fertilizer-pesticide combo
Who is sending out misinformation?
“The use of inorganic fertilizers resulted in low organic carbon content, microbial counts and microbial biomass carbon of the soil, although it increased the soil’s NPK level which could be explained by the rates of fertilizers being applied.”
This statement from the abstract reveals the organic carbon is depleted. This is because the over activity of the bacteria to use up all the nitrogen that was dumped in. The soil has lost humus! We all know how important humus is for soil. Bacteria need 5 carbons for everyone nitrogen so they are going to get those carbons from the humus and organic carbon rather then the plant exudates. I wouldn’t want people thinking all they have to do is correctly manage synthetic ferts and they are in the clear.
I know this article is focusing about salts not everything else I have mentioned. Thanks for writing it, I have learnt something from it too!
Cheers
Gav
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Dontjudgeme
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I grow organically because I got tired of bottle feeding. Kind of defeats the purpose to bottle feed and grow organically for me. If I’m gonna use Nutes, might as well start and end that way. I do agree that organic soils lack the punch in P and K in flower, so I use kelp and guano to counteract it with a top dress. Kind of got me thinking what the results would be to use Nutes during flower though. Food for thought....
90'sStoner
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Synthetic nutes are mineral nutrients, not salts. Although people call them salts they aren't the same as table salt or rock and don't have the same effect on soil or microbes
Itdontstop
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Synthetics when you here "ate" at the end is classified as a salt like nitrates which is salt microbes make organic material and produce enzymes that convert ammonium to nitrate form
90'sStoner
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So they are! Good shout. I just didn't want people to confuse em with the same salt as sodium chloride
only for my green house
Fishbulb
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so i can confirm i use
peat
perlite
worm casting
recharge
tribus
bio char
manure
neomotoads if i see fungas gnats or if i got super high and bought them off ebay because i felt i needed them but didnt really. handy for treating the back garden.
basically anything organic i can find in the grow shop,hardware shop and what ever 90's stoner talks about
then i have my res with mega crop at about 800ppm
oh and i reuse my soil the last time before this 2 year old run it was 6 years old and still rocking balls. dont flush per say i just run plain water in my auto pots for the last 2-3 week and then start again but after 3 years ill drag the pots outside and flush the living shit out of them with a hose
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Joeybliss
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Not enough to worry. Just like I water from my tap it’s not enough to worry me when I’m growing in soil
Joeybliss
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I went that route I hit the girls with Humbolt secret bloom booster I start using it o. Day 18-21 flower tilllday 50 every water start at 1 mg per gallon water and add ever water up to 8 mg bu I never pushed past 5-6 and the result are killer also I top dress with shrimp meal at start of flower and it makes my flowers so dank