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detgreenthumb

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Thought I ran the whole pack of “The Fuzz” but found 2 seeds. The first ten were all male. Gathering courage to germ these last 2.
Most of the time something like that happens because of stress during the germination process, shocking the seeds making them think they'll die which puts the plants in "preservation mode". I was just talking to JJ from Top Dawg about this the other day. Just be sure to keep them as stress free as possible
 

colocowboy

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Most of the time something like that happens because of stress during the germination process, shocking the seeds making them think they'll die which puts the plants in "preservation mode". I was just talking to JJ from Top Dawg about this the other day. Just be sure to keep them as stress free as possible
With all due respect, that is total bullshit. I saw JJ had put that out because somebody queried him about getting a pack of all males. Just because a person breeds these plants does not make them a guru because that was the stupidest thing I’ve heard someone that claims to be in the know has said in many years. We’re talking about genetics once the alleles are paired their set. Males don’t become from females just because it’s hot!

Did you know it gets over a hundred degrees for months on end where I live. Amazing that you can actually grow female plants outside I guess. :o
I have grown out whole packs of males, it’s called bad luck, statistically it’s not that improbable. Think of it this way every time that happens it justifies when somebody gets a whole pack of females, statistically.
 
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AdvancedBuffalo

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Most of the time something like that happens because of stress during the germination process, shocking the seeds making them think they'll die which puts the plants in "preservation mode". I was just talking to JJ from Top Dawg about this the other day. Just be sure to keep them as stress free as possible
Haha yeah that is totally not a thing. Plant sex Is decided by its existing chromosome makeup and cannot be permanently changed through environmental practices. This has been proven countless times through DNA sequencing in other crops and tissue culture in cannabis. The reasoning behind this totally backwards assumption is ridiculous too. If plants were really going into "preservation mode" why would they all suddenly switch to male? Why would evolution do that? An ideal "preservation mode" would be a 50/50 mix of male to female to drive reproduction. "Preservation mode" is more likely to be seen via epigenetic changes, shortening the life cycle of the plant so it can rapidly change its genetic structure to better suit the new stressful environment.
 

detgreenthumb

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With all due respect, that is total bullshit. I saw JJ had put that out because somebody queried him about getting a pack of all males. Just because it because a person breeds these plants does not make them a guru because that was the stupidest thing I’ve heard someone that claims to be in the know has said in many years. We’re talking about genetics once the alleles are paired their set. Males don’t become from females just because it’s hot!

Did you know it gets over a hundred degrees for months on end where I live. Amazing that you can actually grow female plants outside I guess. :o
I have grown out whole packs of males, it’s called bad luck, statistically it’s not that improbable. Think of it this way every time that happens it justifies when somebody gets a whole pack of females, statistically.
It doesn't have to be under a specific temperature as long as your VPD is on point. I've spent plenty of time running plants in greenhouse settings as well. JJ didn't specify excess temperature when he talked about excess stress being a factor in the plants ending up male during the germination process. There are a lot of things that create excess stress, but we all know this....
 

AdvancedBuffalo

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It doesn't have to be under a specific temperature as long as your VPD is on point. I've spent plenty of time running plants in greenhouse settings as well. JJ didn't specify excess temperature when he talked about excess stress being a factor in the plants ending up male during the germination process. There are a lot of things that create excess stress, but we all know this....
Sounds like JJ has no idea what he is talking about.
 

TtZoo

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Looks great man, hope it finishes strong for you. Honestly though, I'm probably the last person to know what I am looking at when it comes to which traits my plants mimic more. I can really only offer the pictures as differences. That said, I'm hopeful for a nice variance between the two as they seem to have grown a bit differently. I'll try to post up some better pictures throughout so you can kind of judge for yourself but if you have some specific things you'd like me to try and answer as far as structure/bud formations that you can't see as clearly, let me know and I will try to answer as best I can. I get more wrapped up reading about soils/leds than I actually do observing and documenting anything from my grows. As long as they seem relatively happy, I feel like the end will never disappoint for me.
So just for fun here are cuts from the two More Cowbell mothers I have from the same pack.

The low one has a whole bunch of LST done to it to keep it flat (only have a 2ft x 2ft veg tent and have a pack of Hashplant-D to run somehow!). The broad leaf pheno has been topped once and has ridiculously tight internode spacing.

The low one is the cut from the plant flowering right now, then the broad leaf mother will go into the flower tent.

First time running regs and I'm loving the diversity.
 

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MustangStudFarm

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With all due respect, that is total bullshit. I saw JJ had put that out because somebody queried him about getting a pack of all males. Just because it because a person breeds these plants does not make them a guru because that was the stupidest thing I’ve heard someone that claims to be in the know has said in many years. We’re talking about genetics once the alleles are paired their set. Males don’t become from females just because it’s hot!

Did you know it gets over a hundred degrees for months on end where I live. Amazing that you can actually grow female plants outside I guess. :o
I have grown out whole packs of males, it’s called bad luck, statistically it’s not that improbable. Think of it this way every time that happens it justifies when somebody gets a whole pack of females, statistically.
The last pack of SSDD that I ran had 8 males. I hope that one of my other 6 packs has 8 females... I told myself that I was only going to pop one pack and save the rest, so I got 2 1/2(runt) females w/o much selection. Didn't find a winner. However, I do plan on running out the males on these other 6 packs that I have. It's not a project that I plan on doing soon, but it will happen one day.
 

jp68

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Anyone grown the wookie orgasm ? Have 4 seedlings , don’t hear much about it
Got 6 girls out of a pack and a lot of variation . Dont go on looks cuz the keeper out of the pack initially wasnt the prettiest or frostiest. One i kept does throw out the densest nugs of any strain in the stable and its potent as hell with muted smells compared to the other ones . Produces and is a pretty strong plant. Hope you find that one cuz its a knockout smoke pretty much
 

colocowboy

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It doesn't have to be under a specific temperature as long as your VPD is on point. I've spent plenty of time running plants in greenhouse settings as well. JJ didn't specify excess temperature when he talked about excess stress being a factor in the plants ending up male during the germination process. There are a lot of things that create excess stress, but we all know this....
The relative humidity ranges from 5% to 20% here that does not match the correct vapor pressure deficit. Yes please, let’s talk plants, facts, and growing experience! In fact he did cite the the customer in question “probably had high temps during germination” then you quoted the rest of it on your piece, I won’t waste the words. The fact is if the conditions for germination are not correct they don’t germinate or they don’t survive, they make a lot of hormonal shifts, but they certainly don’t make a chromosome change. Apparently we don’t “all” know this, hence making a point. Can’t have you or JJ going around spreading false information, I would set him straight there but that’s my actual public personality and I have reasons for not wanting to expose myself there. There’s plenty of people that would also, that are in his friend circle, that have respect enough for him to let him have his incorrect thought. This however is a grow forum.
 

detgreenthumb

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The relative humidity ranges from 5% to 20% here that does not match the correct vapor pressure deficit. Yes please, let’s talk plants, facts, and growing experience! In fact he did cite the the customer in question “probably had high temps during germination” then you quoted the rest of it on your piece, I won’t waste the words. The fact is if the conditions for germination are not correct they don’t germinate or they don’t survive, they make a lot of hormonal shifts, but they certainly don’t make a chromosome change. Apparently we don’t “all” know this, hence making a point. Can’t have you or JJ going around spreading false information, I would set him straight there but that’s my actual public personality and I have reasons for not wanting to expose myself there. There’s plenty of people that would also, that are in his friend circle, that have respect enough for him to let him have his incorrect thought. This however is a grow forum.
Seems like you could benefit from the installation of a wet wall out there
 

The Bud Whisperer

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Garfunkle outside.

This is turning into a beast. Multiple toppings, but done with that now.
It is over 13 feet in circumference and has over 30 potential tops. The top of the plant is basically flat, all tops are within a few inches of each other vertically and the canopy is about 3 feet tall at the moment.

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That is awesome, i love a nice flat top! You now have a smokeable Solar Panel.
 

colocowboy

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Seems like you could benefit from the installation of a wet wall out there
I actually evaporate the air intake of my space and mist occasionally to get my vpd to change, it’s a total pita but I only do the misting and such for climatizing. It may be arid but that’s actually very much how it is in many regions cannabis is native to.
Look bro, I mean you no I’ll will nor any hostility, JJ just said that to deflect supporting his $200 seed pack. Not to say that he has to, it is the luck of the draw sometimes it goes that way. I love jj, he’s a pretty good guy, he lost some of my respect the other day for that move though.
 
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