Do Americans actually want universal healthcare?

[hanimmal]

That's a side order of red herring nothing burger though.

In a free market, yes, some people will get more for a better product. That doesn't refute my premise though.

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But your premise was bullshit, there is not enough information to know if the availability/legallity will increase demand more than it currently is enough to offset the decrease in price to produce.

 

[UncleBuck]

I don't support the idea that a person would control their property the way some racists might.

you literally advocated for racial segregation signs, calling them "polite and reasonable"

stop being a thug and advocating removal of peaceful individual choices

 

[UncleBuck]

Cost concerns? YES !!!

About how much value would it be fair to assign the free choice you would ignore? Isn't that part of the equation?

I'll smoke this fattie while you pick your nose and drool.

hey barter system retard

youve already been proven a racist hypocrite, now you are being proven a moron with no understanding of economics

how does that feel?

 

[Rob Roy]

you literally advocated for racial segregation signs, calling them "polite and reasonable"

stop being a thug and advocating removal of peaceful individual choices

I can see you're confused about intentions and seem to be trying to convey the idea that I support racist practices.

I don't advocate for people to be racists. If they are racists and want to control their property that way, I would prefer to know that so I don't give them my business. Notifying people is polite and reasonable, even if the thing that they are being notified of may not be.

 

[Rob Roy]

hey barter system retard

youve already been proven a racist hypocrite, now you are being proven a moron with no understanding of economics

how does that feel?

This isn't gonna turn into one those back and forths where eventually it gets around to me accusing you of cruelty to gerbils is it ?

I have a very basic understanding of economics. You can only make a fair trade when both parties agree to the terms absent any duress. Which part of that would you say is in error ?

 

[UncleBuck]

I don't advocate for people to be racists.

yes you do, according to the definition of the word "advocate"



you publicly recommended racial segregation signs. you called them "polite and reasonable"

you are a confused, stupid person. how does that make you feel?

 

[UncleBuck]

I have a very basic understanding of economics.

no you don't.

you said free market systems cost less than universal systems. both systems exist. i asked you to show me one single example of a less expensive free market healthcare system.

you couldn't. you lose.

you're stupid, confused, and bad at debating.

how does that make you feel?

 

[Rob Roy]

But your premise was bullshit, there is not enough information to know if the availability/legallity will increase demand more than it currently is enough to offset the decrease in price to produce.

The cost of production is artificially high now due to government.

What price would you assign to the cancellation of freedom of choice ?

 

[UncleBuck]

The cost of production is artificially high now due to government.

What price would you assign to the cancellation of freedom of choice ?

but but but but but but but

face it, you are just fucking stupid. you get owned in every debate. you suck at this.

just know your place

 

[Rob Roy]

yes you do, according to the definition of the word "advocate"

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you publicly recommended racial segregation signs. you called them "polite and reasonable"

you are a confused, stupid person. how does that make you feel?

No my recommendation would be for a person not to base their choices of how to conduct business on racist policies. I don't recommend or support that at all. If a person IS a racist and doesn't give a shit about my opinion, (which is their right) what they do with their business isn't my business in that case.


As far as notification of policies, sure, I recommend people let others know the terms they offer and don't offer, as best they can before proceeding.
That's why menus have prices on them etc.

The content of that recommendation written on a sign , if it is disagreeable to me, would not be an instance of me advocating for a racist sign. To disagree with a particular message is not advocating for that message. I do advocate for notification, that is polite and reasonable to do so.

 

[Rob Roy]

but but but but but but but

face it, you are just fucking stupid. you get owned in every debate. you suck at this.

just know your place

Yes! Know your place. It's not your place to force another person to serve you. If you can reach mutual agreement with that person, proceed.
In the absence of mutual agreement, move on. You really suck at that.



You must have been a real blast at Junior High dances.

You - "hey Suzy wanna dance?"

Suzy - "uh no thanks. ("creep" under her breath)

You - (Drags her out on the dance floor) "DANCE WITH ME, you little racist bitch " !!

 

[UncleBuck]

"another person that is forced to serve you" is the same thing as "free market healthcare system that is less expensive than universal"

it doesnt exist

this stupid, senile, dementia ridden old man is living in a pretend world that doesnt exist

so fucking sad to watch but so fun to mock his stupidity

 

[Rob Roy]

specifically what type of notification did you advocate for, and still do?



moron.

Your question could be seen as two questions. That is how I've addressed it.

One is "did you advocate for racist policies, which would be posted on a sign" ? No, I did not.

Two, "is it polite and reasonable to notice people of your racist policies" I think it is as opposed to not noticing people.


You've advocated for forced servitude and call it "polite and reasonable" . I'm not sure why you think it is.

 

[hanimmal]

The cost of production is artificially high now due to government.

What price would you assign to the cancellation of freedom of choice ?

The problem like I said is that we do not know if the government imposed costs of production will be offset by the increase of demand, which would also have upwards pressure on prices. Which would have a bigger impact price-wise. I hope we get to find out one day.

 

[UncleBuck]

Your question could be seen as two questions.

No it cant

 

[Five of diamonds]

Okay well, I live in a country that has somewhat free health care. I work with sick people who need that care(cancer). I have also been sick and have witnessed others who are not terminally ill navigate this system and I have also been paying the taxes imposed by this country for quite some time. I would say its a double edged sword to say the least. Unless you have cancer or some other form of deadly disease, the health care here sucks. The wait times, the lack of quality, the inconsistencies in care and effort in diagnosis, they all fucking suck. Now pay our taxes. It wouldn't be the same in every country I am sure, but here, there are some glaring negatives for anyone who isnt dealing with cancer etc.

Now would I CHOOSE to have to pay for my care? If i had a problem that wasnt easy to diagnose, then yes. I would rather pay and not wait for 6 months to get a MRI or see a specialist for then somewhat low quality care. People die here waiting quite often. But if I had cancer or something else that was diagnosed quickly, I would 100% choose our system. Most people i work with pay almost nothing for their cancer treatment. We are talking bone scans, imaging, chemo, radiation, blood work, consultations, anti nausea medicine etc. My mother has also went through stage 3 breast cancer here and survived. Her bill was for a bra, a bottle of Tylenol, and a arm sock. Everything else was free. I am sure her bill would have been over $250,000 if she lived in some other shitholes.


Be careful what you wish for on legalization. I am pro ending prohibition, fully and with every drug. But if they do it like canada did, I veiw it as a negative. Its fucking horseshit here. I would rather it go back to the way it was before. Try and become a LP or a micro producer if you disagree. Have fun paying 50-80 bucks a 1/8. Yea for "good" weed here in the store some people are paying $80 for 3.5. By the way its not very good plus all of the pioneers of the movment got fucked and crushed under the systems rules. "Lotteries" for shop licenses, rules about past cannabis convictions etc etc. All put in place so the powerful get more powerful and the culture is crushed and raped into being a joke. Go into almost every weed store in canada, i have been in over 100 of them(side job) and they all look the same. Its like someone universally decided to make them all look like James bonds weapon room. Culture, gone. Then for them to hire uninformed, know nothing know it alls and then rename everything from say "OG Kush" into "reflect". Strawberry cough is now "gophers tail" plus its not actually Strawberry cough Like looking at your weed before buying it? Naw. You pay me $60 and I give you 3.5g of trash C grade side bud thats not cured right. No returns. Welcome to legalization.

Sorry for the side rant there :/

 

[Rob Roy]

No it cant

Okay fair enough then, your conclusion you would like others to reach, could be seen in two different ways.

You would like enthralled readers to conclude that I am advocating for racism, when I am not.

I am insisting that I am not advocating for racism, since I am not. Anymore than I advocate for people to BE obese, while I do advocate that they have every right to be obese if that's what they chose.

It's like the whole gerbil thing. If you could find a way to get a gerbil to consent I guess what you and that gerbil do is between you two. That doesn't mean I endorse some of the things you and a consenting gerbil might do.

 

[Rob Roy]

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The problem like I said is that we do not know if the government imposed costs of production will be offset by the increase of demand, which would also have upwards pressure on prices. Which would have a bigger impact price-wise. I hope we get to find out one day.


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So you're saying that government interference has skewed things and the only thing that can fix that is a different kind of government
interference ?

I said if the weed were freed prices would drop, are you saying that isn't so? If the weed is free, how would there be government imposed costs of production then ?

 

[Rob Roy]

you said free market systems cost less than universal systems. both systems exist. i asked you to show me one single example of a less expensive free market healthcare system.

Sorry I missed that one. No a free market system in modern healthcare (practice of medicine etc.) doesn't really exist, isn't allowed to, it's heavily regulated, thus not "free market".

Still winning, nincompoop.

 

[UncleBuck]

I am advocating for racism

Fify