seedlings with wrinkled leafs (photo)

[WeedMan2020]

was your wilting coming from heat or nutrient imbalances or both? Im dealing with the same thing outside. Its been doing it the whole summer so im assuming its the heat because its in the 90s and humid as shit here every day. I dont really have alot of options besides going indoors or waiting until summer is over. I figured I would give it a shot to see if it was even possible. I have brought them back from the dead a time or two now.

It could possibly be both. If there's Nitrogen Toxicity I've noticed it exacerbates other problems you might have for example it makes the plant very sensitive to heat and humidity, you'll notice it gets affected more than it usually would.

 

[Skyhound]

Updating to awnser a few questions

Its day 11 since i put the seed with root on the pot, i always put a bit like 150 ml of water on the pot for the seed .

Since then i only used 3 products from biobizz to mix my water as advised by them , no fertilizer because they advise to start fertilizing later , around beggining of 3rd week

This were the products :

Root·Juice - Biobizz

www.biobizz.com

Acti·Vera - Biobizz

www.biobizz.com

Bio·Heaven - Biobizz

www.biobizz.com

Besides this the only thing i can think off is after day 3 i started with a fan with a constant gentle breeze on them 24 hours, could this do some damage? i now have the fan in a cycle off 15 minutes and on 15 minutes .

Humidity is on low records 29% today .


And there is a update picture from the plant , new leafs seems a bit better :











EXCEPT ONE THIS ONE OUT OF 4 QUICK QUESTION , ONE OF THE PLANTS SEEMS TO HAVE A MUTATION FORM THAT EVEN CUTED ITSELF OR SOMETHING MADE IT , ITS ONLY ON THIS PLANT LOOK :






what could have caused this cut ?

 

[Dapper_Dillinger]

Soil holds a vast resovoirs of buffers that keep its pH within the right range, adding amounts of pH up or down to nutrients is not going to make any difference in the soil. Don't do it.

I haven't even used the ph meter that I bought before I knew better. My tap water is at 8.5 after sitting out 24 hours with a air stone I've given my plant this for the last 4/5 weeks during seedlings used drinking water but I also used 1/2tsp of molasses in a gallon one time... but I continue to read how every one uses the ph down and wonder if I'm losing out or causing damage

 

[JoeBlow5823]

Updating to awnser a few questions

Its day 11 since i put the seed with root on the pot, i always put a bit like 150 ml of water on the pot for the seed .

Since then i only used 3 products from biobizz to mix my water as advised by them , no fertilizer because they advise to start fertilizing later , around beggining of 3rd week

This were the products :

Root·Juice - Biobizz

www.biobizz.com

Acti·Vera - Biobizz

www.biobizz.com

Bio·Heaven - Biobizz

www.biobizz.com

Besides this the only thing i can think off is after day 3 i started with a fan with a constant gentle breeze on them 24 hours, could this do some damage? i now have the fan in a cycle off 15 minutes and on 15 minutes .

Humidity is on low records 29% today .


And there is a update picture from the plant , new leafs seems a bit better :

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EXCEPT ONE THIS ONE OUT OF 4 QUICK QUESTION , ONE OF THE PLANTS SEEMS TO HAVE A MUTATION FORM THAT EVEN CUTED ITSELF OR SOMETHING MADE IT , ITS ONLY ON THIS PLANT LOOK :



View attachment 4669936


what could have caused this cut ?

Seedlings do crazy shit. Don't panic. People do more harm than good when they panic. Dont worry about low humidity. I have sprouted under 25% no problem. They look like they have sorted out whatever they didnt like and are ready to get to work.

I haven't even used the ph meter that I bought before I knew better. My tap water is at 8.5 after sitting out 24 hours with a air stone I've given my plant this for the last 4/5 weeks during seedlings used drinking water but I also used 1/2tsp of molasses in a gallon one time... but I continue to read how every one uses the ph down and wonder if I'm losing out or causing damage

PH down is recommended. Especially for hydro. Air stone is a good step in the right direction but i would definitely start dropping ph.

 

[Rooster91762]

Mine started like that and I ignored it, then this happened:
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Came here and found a few good guys that helped me out with troubleshooting what the reason behind it could be.

The things we'd looked at were:

• Water PH
• Room Temperature
• Room Humidity
• Nitrogen Toxicity
• Lights too close
• Soil too hot (Nutrient Rich)

I'd noticed the temperature for a few days had increased drastically to around 30-35°C (85-95°F), so I started leaving the tent open while the lights are on and to increase the humidity I'd put a big bowl of water in the tent.

I'd also noticed my light was producing a lot of the heat and my plant was very short and bushy, so I raised it for a few days to see how she would react and almost instantly the plant started stretching for the light within a day or two and the heat on the canopy had decreased a lot.

Another thing I wasn't testing my PH properly and didn't realize my PH levels were around 8.0 which is not good for your plants at all, so I invested in a PH meter and started by flushing my soil and correcting the soil PH with just plain PH'd water.

I was a bit skeptical on the Nitrogen Toxicity as I was only giving her plain water, but after a bit of research I'd found out that maybe my PH was locking out the plant from uptaking nutrients from the soil or maybe it could be increasing the amount of Nitrogen it's uptaking.
So my opinion if that was possibly the problem, then the previous step I took by flushing the soil should resolve it.

Now this is what I later read about and understoodand that could've potentially been the main reason behind all this and that's the soil being too nutritious. For example, Fox Farm Soil is rich in nutrients and can feed your plant for a good few weeks without any additional nutrients being added. If you add extra nutrients early on then there's a high possibility of seeing deficiencies/toxicities on your plant.

After all these slight alterations, I'd managed to get her looking like this in just under 2 weeks:
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After that I just did a bit of trimming and got rid of all the old growth that wasn't really that beneficial and that had been affected earlier with a bit more LST, she now looks like this on day 39:
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Nice job! I had to do the same thing with mine, 5 weeks old.

 

[WeedMan2020]

Updating to awnser a few questions

Its day 11 since i put the seed with root on the pot, i always put a bit like 150 ml of water on the pot for the seed .

Since then i only used 3 products from biobizz to mix my water as advised by them , no fertilizer because they advise to start fertilizing later , around beggining of 3rd week

This were the products :

Root·Juice - Biobizz

www.biobizz.com

Acti·Vera - Biobizz

www.biobizz.com

Bio·Heaven - Biobizz

www.biobizz.com

Besides this the only thing i can think off is after day 3 i started with a fan with a constant gentle breeze on them 24 hours, could this do some damage? i now have the fan in a cycle off 15 minutes and on 15 minutes .

Humidity is on low records 29% today .


And there is a update picture from the plant , new leafs seems a bit better :

View attachment 4669935









EXCEPT ONE THIS ONE OUT OF 4 QUICK QUESTION , ONE OF THE PLANTS SEEMS TO HAVE A MUTATION FORM THAT EVEN CUTED ITSELF OR SOMETHING MADE IT , ITS ONLY ON THIS PLANT LOOK :



View attachment 4669936


what could have caused this cut ?

I had and still have crazy mutations happening to my plant since sprouting, so don't stress too much about it because these babies always surprise you! At first mine started off as a twin and sprouted two sprouts from 1 seedling and then the main stem had it's leaves not evened out properly and 1 side was growing faster than the other. That was the start of the mutations and I was stressing over nothing, cause in the end she turned out to have some really unique and beautiful mutations that are still ongoing and surprising as she matures!
Here's some pictures:

I haven't even used the ph meter that I bought before I knew better. My tap water is at 8.5 after sitting out 24 hours with a air stone I've given my plant this for the last 4/5 weeks during seedlings used drinking water but I also used 1/2tsp of molasses in a gallon one time... but I continue to read how every one uses the ph down and wonder if I'm losing out or causing damage

PH not being in the correct range will only cause you issues that will pretty much last you the whole grow if you don't get it around it's nutrient uptake range.
Cannabis thrives on PH levels between (6.0 - 7.0), depending on your medium there's certain sweet spots that they like.

 

[Dabbie McDoob]

Whirled leaf growth is always a Ph issue and likely due to calcium lockout.
Always causes wavy growth and odd nodal development.

Just by the looks of those leaves your soil is hot and has borderline N toxicity.

 

[Skyhound]

Hi guys i need your help again , this happened over night , what is happening to my seedlings they are now dropy as hell , the pot still wet so is not underwatering

 

[Skyhound]

Whirled leaf growth is always a Ph issue and likely due to calcium lockout.
Always causes wavy growth and odd nodal development.

Just by the looks of those leaves your soil is hot and has borderline N toxicity.

what about this new symptom does it correlate with what ure saying ?

 

[WeedMan2020]

what about this new symptom does it correlate with what ure saying ?

Overwatered possibly?

 

[Skyhound]

Overwatered possibly?

Could it be ? i watered 2 days ago and only today they got droopy

 

[WeedMan2020]

Could it be ? i watered 2 days ago and only today they got droopy

Are they soft and limp or dry and crispy?

 

[Dabbie McDoob]

I suggest watering them again. Soil looks dry.
If your soil is dry up to 1" or 25mm below the surface your good to water.

Also, ensure your water is PH properly. Thus preventing your previous issue.

 

[Skyhound]

The leafs arent cryspy ! they feel soft at touch

 

[WeedMan2020]

The leafs arent cryspy ! they feel soft at touch

Possibly a sign of overwatering. If they were underwatered, they would be dry and crispy!

 

[Dabbie McDoob]

I would put money on a PH issue.
Likely poor root zone development compounded with nutrient uptake issues.

Over watering is usually resolved in a matter of days by drying out the medium.

@Skyhound are you using a PH pen?

 

[Skyhound]

I suggest watering them again. Soil looks dry.
If your soil is dry up to 1" or 25mm below the surface your good to water.

Also, ensure your water is PH properly. Thus preventing your previous issue.

I used ph pen to measure , but it broke after 8 months and warranty wa 6 months , i got mad , and now
I use this to measure ph


it has 2 years could it expiry and function baD ? i usuaally put it between 6.1 and 6.5

 

[Skyhound]

what is strange about the overwatering theory is that the soil looks like he needs water in 24 hours from now !!!

 

[Skyhound]

Is there any sign that can distinguish between over and under watering , im thinking overwatering but its strange because they didn t drop or pointed at sky in last watering , they stayed the same , after 1 day leaf points were dropping , and after 2 days they are like this much droopy , 1 liter for that plant size in a 7 lt, pot is to much *????

 

[WeedMan2020]

Is there any sign that can distinguish between over and under watering , im thinking overwatering but its strange because they didn t drop or pointed at sky in last watering , they stayed the same , after 1 day leaf points were dropping , and after 2 days they are like this much droopy , 1 liter for that plant size in a 7 lt, pot is to much *????

What soil are you using?