AK Bean Brains

jimihendrix1

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Does anybody know if that original NL5 clone is even alive anymore? I get the impression that most old NL5 cuts used these days are from some variety of NL5 seeds... still very old but second generation or more. Not sure though...can anyone fill me in?
Swami Organic Seeds has a cut from 1984. He has it crossed with Nevils LTD Release 1988 NL5/Hz. F3 or other. I think he has seeds up to F6, but I think the male used was an F3, but not 100% positive. Swamis NL5/Hz is mostly long flowering. Our best one we found went 100 days.... I myself like the NL5/Hz version that was released to the public from Nevil, then Sensi Seeds, and is more on the lines of the genetics of AKBB NL5/Hz, and is probably same genetics.
Havent tried the Swami NL5 x NL5/Hz though I do have 3 packs.
 

Nutbag Poster

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Swami Organic Seeds has a cut from 1984. He has it crossed with Nevils LTD Release 1988 NL5/Hz. F3 or other. I think he has seeds up to F6, but I think the male used was an F3, but not 100% positive. Swamis NL5/Hz is mostly long flowering. Our best one we found went 100 days.... I myself like the NL5/Hz version that was released to the public from Nevil, then Sensi Seeds, and is more on the lines of the genetics of AKBB NL5/Hz, and is probably same genetics.
Havent tried the Swami NL5 x NL5/Hz though I do have 3 packs.
Cool... a new answer to an old post! A 1984 cut sounds like that could possibly be the one that Neville started with. Could we talk Swami into releasing some NL5 s1s? I won't get my hopes up but that's something I'd buy for sure. :)
 

jimihendrix1

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I dont think Swami messes with s1 ect

I also not sure, but Ive heard while they did find the old clone that has been kept forever, Seattle Greg did have seeds of the original NL5 genetics, and I beliueve Seattle Greg just recently verified he gave some seeds to someone but I cant remember who. Maybe AKBB. Cant remember.

How did you AKBB turn out?
 

Nutbag Poster

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I dont think Swami messes with s1 ect

I also not sure, but Ive heard while they did find the old clone that has been kept forever, Seattle Greg did have seeds of the original NL5 genetics, and I beliueve Seattle Greg just recently verified he gave some seeds to someone but I cant remember who. Maybe AKBB. Cant remember.

How did you AKBB turn out?
Yeah, I was mostly joking about the s1s ... not something I'd expect to happen. That would be pretty awesome if that original Nl5 still existed. Thanks for the info!

My personal grow situation has been all buggered up by bugs but I do have some Durbalayans struggling along outdoors. Two of them (one male, one female...very similar looking) triggered into flowering much earlier than the typical strain up here close to 45N, which is a plus for me...particularly for a sativa leaning cross that's probably 70+ days indoors. I'm just about to mate those two for some f2s. The aroma of the female is unusual and very enticing. We'll see.
 
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SFnone

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I dont think Swami messes with s1 ect

I also not sure, but Ive heard while they did find the old clone that has been kept forever, Seattle Greg did have seeds of the original NL5 genetics, and I beliueve Seattle Greg just recently verified he gave some seeds to someone but I cant remember who. Maybe AKBB. Cant remember.

How did you AKBB turn out?
it was todd
... and he plans on making original greg mcallister nl x to original sam skunkman haze
 

Alpadrino

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Black Domina/PacificNorthwest Hashplant x Super Skunk, Grown in the ground, no-till organic, with a six-foot ladder thrown in for scale.
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TKNL5 Haze, she's about ten foot tall huge leaves and a very Sativa growth pattern. I have another TKNL5 Haze growing and she is much bushier, with thin lacy leaves.
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I like your set up does the clover help produce nitrogen for the plants then? They look very healthy and Have huge leaves
 

jimihendrix1

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Id love to see what those plants would have looked like Bent Over from a young age. All of those plants have great secondary branching.
 

bodhipop

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I'm not sure he did it himself but I think he talked about people in Alaska burying seeds in the ground for preservation. Sounded a little goofy at first but it does eliminate worries of busts, fires, thefts, broken fridges, and clean-freaks who like to throw out things they don't know about. If it stays cold enough year-round it's pretty clever... they could sit there cold and undisturbed for decades.

I haven't joined the great RKS hunt, but he does seem like a good bet for finding that magic in the skunks. TKNL5H , vintage blueberry, and freezeland are what caught my attention.
Can we expand/brainstorm on this idea for a second?
Burying your seeds in the ground - If you're somewhere that gets -10 degrees fahrenheit during the winter.. Is 4 feet deep really going to keep them from freezing/thawing every season? I can't find much info on ground temps. I've heard Cali folk doing it but I'm just curious on other locations with colder weather.
 

Nutbag Poster

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Can we expand/brainstorm on this idea for a second?
Burying your seeds in the ground - If you're somewhere that gets -10 degrees fahrenheit during the winter.. Is 4 feet deep really going to keep them from freezing/thawing every season? I can't find much info on ground temps. I've heard Cali folk doing it but I'm just curious on other locations with colder weather.
Wow... a second old post of mine revived in one day. I don't really have an answer for you. The heat coming up from down deep is sometimes more than one might expect but Alaska gets pretty cold on the surface of course. Personally, I don't think freezing and thawing is such an issue if the seeds are stored very dry as I think they should be. There's no "freezing" if there's no H2O in them.

I kinda think Alaska might be a better location to be honest. In less frigid climates, the seeds might actually get a little too warm every summer. 55-60 degrees for a few months every year would probably be warmer than ideal.
 
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colocowboy

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Unless you live in an arctic region with permafrost the ground temp, below frost line, is 50-60 degrees year round. That is not too warm, would be considered refrigerated. Literally the purpose of root cellars. It’s amazing, we are crossing one of those generation gaps where old ways of life are forgotten.
 

Growoolit

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Unless you live in an arctic region with permafrost the ground temp, below frost line, is 50-60 degrees year round. That is not too warm, would be considered refrigerated. Literally the purpose of root cellars. It’s amazing, we are crossing one of those generation gaps where old ways of life are forgotten.
Similar to the cheese caves of France or the lagering caves of Germany.
Not many root cellars in Australia, but I know what ya mean.
 

Funkentelechy

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I like your set up does the clover help produce nitrogen for the plants then? They look very healthy and Have huge leaves
Thank you, Yeah, in theory the clover does help to fix nitrogen into the soil as it grows. I like the clover because it grows really quickly so I periodically pull sections of it up and place it on top as a mulch layer, providing a renewable source of mulch that is always close a hand.
I use a ton of compost as my primary fertilizer source, as well as alfalfa meal and the aforementioned mulch. Throughout the spring and summer, I continually layer these things on the soil, like a big lasagna.
 

Funkentelechy

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Id love to see what those plants would have looked like Bent Over from a young age. All of those plants have great secondary branching.
I bet they would do awesome grown that way, I agree.

I am somewhat limited in the square foot print of my hoop house. I end up having more space growing the plants vertically out of necessity, but it works well for me. The hoop house is a little over twelve feet tall so there is a fair amount of space vertically.
Last year I had one that just wouldn't stop growing, it kept pressing against the top of the hoop house. So I had to train the top three or four feet of the plant horizontally along the ridge of the hoop house, it was ridiculous.
This year I'm trying to grow smaller plants so that they are easier to manage, less time on ladders tying up supports.
 
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colocowboy

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Similar to the cheese caves of France or the lagering caves of Germany.
Not many root cellars in Australia, but I know what ya mean.
I thought I saw a documentary where there was a whole town that mined opals and lives underground in Australia! Not that that’s a root cellar but they did it because it was cool at a place that ground surface temperatures could kill you. Necessities!
 

Growoolit

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I thought I saw a documentary where there was a whole town that mined opals and lives underground in Australia! Not that that’s a root cellar but they did it because it was cool at a place that ground surface temperatures could kill you. Necessities!
Yeah, probably a few towns like that. Coober Pedy and Lightning Ridge are both well-known for opal mining.
Some rich people here have an underground wine cellar, but the term root cellar is uncommon. Mainly because root means to fuck here e.g. Elle Macpherson is getting old now. Nah, mate! I'd still root her.
 
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