Modified Jacks 321 schedule

TerpHound420

TerpHound420

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I've been doing alot of digging and research on Jack's 321 schedule. I picked up alot info on Greengenes Garden YouTube channel and checked out some of his formulas. I basically just want to see what Modified Jack's 321 schedules Everyones using for Success? So far I've heard everything From Adding in a heavy PK For Flower (Mkp, Moab) from dropping the Magnesium Sulfate altogether and just running Jack's Hydro and the Cal-nit and having good results. Post up your personal recipes for success!
 
buyyouabeer

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I don't modify jack LOL. I start at 25% for seedlings>50% for veg and slowly move up to actual 3g/2g/1g for the first weeks of flower and then start backing off as they mature to finish. Haven't watched anything from GG for years but I thought I remember him claiming that you could run full strength 321 from the start of seedlings all the way to finish. Which is just shit advice; careful of what you find on youtube there is much bro' science and stoner logic there.
 
haze010

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buyyouabeer said:
I don't modify jack LOL. I start at 25% for seedlings>50% for veg and slowly move up to actual 3g/2g/1g for the first weeks of flower and then start backing off as they mature to finish. Haven't watched anything from GG for years but I thought I remember him claiming that you could run full strength 321 from the start of seedlings all the way to finish. Which is just shit advice; careful of what you find on youtube there is much bro' science and stoner logic there.
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Yikes, he asked for what ppl use to success, why the attitude and arrogance. Youre acting like less nitrogen and more pk in flower compared to veg isnt a well known beneficial thing and how dare he adjust jacks to be optimal for marijuanna instead of tomatos. You dont have to adjust pk levels for flower, but its been proven over and over and over again that you will get heavier flowers and more of them if the pk ratio is higher.

What i use to success is jacks 3-2-1ratio in veg to a ppm of 750-900ish, depending on which strain i am running. My chemdawg cut usually needs even higher ppm than that in veg.

In flower i also use monopotassium phosphate (mkp) and my ratio is:
2gram/gal jacks, 2.2grams/gal of calcium nitrate (calnit), 2grams/gal magnesium sulfate (epsom salts) and 1.6grams/gal of MKP.
Heavier feeding strains get that at 800 ish ppm and the lighter feeding indicas diluted down more in the 650-700 range.

Thats what i found gives my favorite strains the best results after having done 10+ different runs with clones from the same moms.

No "bro science" here, actual PPM readings and how they perform on the actual scale. Have you *actually* ran full strength jacks on rooted clones in a DWC or RDWC system? Because thats what his advice was for, not seedlings, and it works fantastically.
Clones are not seedlings they are cuts from an established plant and thus behave differently when the roots themselves are in an aerated nutrient bath compared to an actual seedling.

Its funny how shitty advice can be when you dont follow the *actual* advice.
 
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TerpHound420

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haze010 said:
Yikes, he asked for what ppl use to success, why the attitude and arrogance. Youre acting like less nitrogen and more pk in flower compared to veg isnt a well known beneficial thing and how dare he adjust jacks to be optimal for marijuanna instead of tomatos. You dont have to adjust pk levels for flower, but its been proven over and over and over again that you will get heavier flowers and more of them if the pk ratio is higher.

What i use to success is jacks 3-2-1ratio in veg to a ppm of 750-900ish, depending on which strain i am running. My chemdawg cut usually needs even higher ppm than that in veg.

In flower i also use monopotassium phosphate (mkp) and my ratio is:
2gram/gal jacks, 2.2grams/gal of calcium nitrate (calnit), 2grams/gal magnesium sulfate (epsom salts) and 1.6grams/gal of MKP.
Heavier feeding strains get that at 800 ish ppm and the lighter feeding indicas diluted down more in the 650-700 range.

Thats what i found gives my favorite strains the best results after having done 10+ different runs with clones from the same moms.

No "bro science" here, actual PPM readings and how they perform on the actual scale. Have you *actually* ran full strength jacks on rooted clones in a DWC or RDWC system? Because thats what his advice was for, not seedlings, and it works fantastically.
Clones are not seedlings they are cuts from an established plant and thus behave differently when the roots themselves are in an aerated nutrient bath compared to an actual seedling.

Its funny how shitty advice can be when you dont follow the *actual* advice.
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For sure. I get it though for alot of people the 321 doesn't need adjusting but I was just curious to see others inputs on the line. Thanks for the Contribution to the thread thus far
 
rkymtnman

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haze010 said:
Its funny how shitty advice can be when you dont follow the *actual* advice.
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that's shitty advice right there. so you are saying that you(meaning everybody because it works for you) should run at 900 ppm for veg? that would fry my plants. so don't watch my plants but do what you say is correct? that sir, is horrible advice and should not be followed.

use your EC meter to guide you on how to feed your plants is the correct advice.
 
TerpHound420

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rkymtnman said:
that's shitty advice right there. so you are saying that you(meaning everybody because it works for you) should run at 900 ppm for veg? that would fry my plants. so don't watch my plants but do what you say is correct? that sir, is horrible advice and should not be followed.

use your EC meter to guide you on how to feed your plants is the correct advice.
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I think @haze010 was saying that was his recipe for success and is what's working for him. No advice is shitty advice in my opinion , you take the good with bad and what comes out at the other end of the pipe is what you got lol. I probably should of mentioned Substrate would be a good addition to the recipe post. I myself am strictly CoCo DTW. I've had my best results in Coco.
 
rkymtnman

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TerpHound420 said:
I think @haze010 was saying that was his recipe for success and is what's working for him. No advice is shitty advice in my opinion , you take the good with bad and what comes out at the other end of the pipe is what you got lol. I probably should of mentioned Substrate would be a good addition to the recipe post. I myself am strictly CoCo DTW. I've had my best results in Coco.
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sorry but i disagree. @buyyouabeer is correct: telling people to run full strength nutes from start to finish is bad advice. and the other dude criticized him for it.

i'm using Jack's Tap (new formula for cannabis) in DTW hydro.
 
haze010

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rkymtnman said:
that's shitty advice right there. so you are saying that you(meaning everybody because it works for you) should run at 900 ppm for veg? that would fry my plants. so don't watch my plants but do what you say is correct? that sir, is horrible advice and should not be followed.

use your EC meter to guide you on how to feed your plants is the correct advice.
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*Chuckle* reading comprehension around here is king. I clearly said it's heavily dependant on the strain and some of my strains are more like 650ppm. I am not giving anyone advice, I answered what the OP asked which is what has worked for YOU

You took that completely out of context to make yourself sound better. That statement was saying don't treat a seedling like someone said treat a clone and then complain it's bad advice, clones and seedlings are different.

Again why do ppl have such shit attitudes around here? Instead of attacking me for answering what works for me how about you answer what works for you.

Also if your meter isn't junk it will do both EC and ppm at the click of a mode button. It's like a dumbass American complaining someone gave him a measurement in meters not feet.

Now I remember why I left rollitup for years, everyone is so friendly and helpful.
 
haze010

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TerpHound420 said:
I think @haze010 was saying that was his recipe for success and is what's working for him. No advice is shitty advice in my opinion , you take the good with bad and what comes out at the other end of the pipe is what you got lol. I probably should of mentioned Substrate would be a good addition to the recipe post. I myself am strictly CoCo DTW. I've had my best results in Coco.
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Exactly!!! But feeding a seedling like how someone said to feed a clone in DWC and complaining it's bad advice and calling the person who said it a moron when you didn't follow the actual advice is just....

Why do I always feel like I'm talking to a toddler around here, so done with this thread. So far I'm the only one who has actually posted what works for them. Everyone else is bickering and calling everyone else wrong. What works in my garden with my strain and my feeding system and my media is going to be different than what you feed yours.

How can you tell me I'm wrong about what works for ME. You can say it doesn't work for you and what you use, but unless your in my garden how can you say it doesn't work for me.

Fuck this community can be so toxic
 
Cabrone

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haze010 said:
What i use to success is jacks 3-2-1ratio in veg to a ppm of 750-900ish, depending on which strain i am running. My chemdawg cut usually needs even higher ppm than that in veg.

In flower i also use monopotassium phosphate (mkp) and my ratio is:
2gram/gal jacks, 2.2grams/gal of calcium nitrate (calnit), 2grams/gal magnesium sulfate (epsom salts) and 1.6grams/gal of MKP.
Heavier feeding strains get that at 800 ish ppm and the lighter feeding indicas diluted down more in the 650-700 range.
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Or

buyyouabeer said:
I don't modify jack LOL. I start at 25% for seedlings>50% for veg and slowly move up to actual 3g/2g/1g for the first weeks of flower
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The truth is in the middle.. These both have good advice. Nothing works for everyone. As @TerpHound420 said,

you take the good with bad and what comes out at the other end of the pipe is what you got
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Herb & Suds

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haze010 said:
*Chuckle* reading comprehension around here is king. I clearly said it's heavily dependant on the strain and some of my strains are more like 650ppm. I am not giving anyone advice, I answered what the OP asked which is what has worked for YOU

You took that completely out of context to make yourself sound better. That statement was saying don't treat a seedling like someone said treat a clone and then complain it's bad advice, clones and seedlings are different.

Again why do ppl have such shit attitudes around here? Instead of attacking me for answering what works for me how about you answer what works for you.

Also if your meter isn't junk it will do both EC and ppm at the click of a mode button. It's like a dumbass American complaining someone gave him a measurement in meters not feet.

Now I remember why I left rollitup for years, everyone is so friendly and helpful.
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haze010 said:
Exactly!!! But feeding a seedling like how someone said to feed a clone in DWC and complaining it's bad advice and calling the person who said it a moron when you didn't follow the actual advice is just....

Why do I always feel like I'm talking to a toddler around here, so done with this thread. So far I'm the only one who has actually posted what works for them. Everyone else is bickering and calling everyone else wrong. What works in my garden with my strain and my feeding system and my media is going to be different than what you feed yours.

How can you tell me I'm wrong about what works for ME. You can say it doesn't work for you and what you use, but unless your in my garden how can you say it doesn't work for me.

Fuck this community can be so toxic
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You sure whine a lot...
 
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