Battle of the Bananas: What to expect?

[Relic79]

Hi there,

I have 5 plants left in my room, and am at day 73

2 x Nefertiti by Pyramid seeds listed as 85 days flowering. Received as a clone. One in dry amendments, one in coco/bottle nutrients.

2 x Lemon Kush listed as a 65 days strain by Humboldt Seeds. Received as a clone. One in dry ammendments, one in coco/bottle nutrients.

1 x AK-47 x White Widow by SeedsMan listed as an 8 week strain. From seed, and strain is questionable as person who gave me seeds mentioned a mix up. Growing in a dry amendment mix.

So at days 73, the AK-47 and Lemon Thai are not done at all, AK looking like another 2 weeks at least, and Lemon maybe 3 weeks.
Problem is, as of lat last week, the Nefertiti is shooting out nanners, and it seems to be more and more every day. More so on the synthetic one which I stressed (nutrient related), and only a few on it's dry amendment clone sister. The person who gave me the clones has never seen nanners on this one to their knowledge.

This far in, I am reluctant to pull anything, but am wondering, if the pollen is viable, and the other plants have 2 to 3 weeks left, how seedy can a plant get in 3 weeks? Will I be looking at fully matured seeds in that time frame? Since I have no ability to separate these plants, I'm really just looking to reset my harvest expectations so I am not overly disappointed. Is 2 to 3 weeks of pollen exposure gonna be the gut punch I'm expecting?

 

[HydroKid239]

Hi there,

I have 5 plants left in my room, and am at day 73

2 x Nefertiti by Pyramid seeds listed as 85 days flowering. Received as a clone. One in dry amendments, one in coco/bottle nutrients.

2 x Lemon Kush listed as a 65 days strain by Humboldt Seeds. Received as a clone. One in dry ammendments, one in coco/bottle nutrients.

1 x AK-47 x White Widow by SeedsMan listed as an 8 week strain. From seed, and strain is questionable as person who gave me seeds mentioned a mix up. Growing in a dry amendment mix.

So at days 73, the AK-47 and Lemon Thai are not done at all, AK looking like another 2 weeks at least, and Lemon maybe 3 weeks.
Problem is, as of lat last week, the Nefertiti is shooting out nanners, and it seems to be more and more every day. More so on the synthetic one which I stressed (nutrient related), and only a few on it's dry amendment clone sister. The person who gave me the clones has never seen nanners on this one to their knowledge.

This far in, I am reluctant to pull anything, but am wondering, if the pollen is viable, and the other plants have 2 to 3 weeks left, how seedy can a plant get in 3 weeks? Will I be looking at fully matured seeds in that time frame? Since I have no ability to separate these plants, I'm really just looking to reset my harvest expectations so I am not overly disappointed. Is 2 to 3 weeks of pollen exposure gonna be the gut punch I'm expecting?

can we see pics of the plants you say have just 2-3 weeks left? I think it takes seeds 4 weeks to fully mature... but if the others got pollinated and you want to harvest the seeds I would give them the extra week or so to fully mature.

 

[Relic79]

@HydroKid239 I'll add new pics at lights off when I can use regular lighting.

My 2-3 weeks left is a guess based on growth rate, transpiration/feeding rate, white pistils, swelling, and milky-ness of the trichromes, hanging around other peoples grows, and my limited personal experience. So nothing scientific at all.

The 2 that have hermie'd look to me like they are on track for an 85 day flower like the breeder estimate, so I'm hoping to finish them in the next 12 days. I am just trying to get an idea if I'm going to completely ruin 3 plants to finish 2. Interestingly (or not) I don't see any calyx's that appear to be swelling in a seedy way on the 2 hermie's yet, maybe I'm lucky and they're sterile.

The Lemon Thai Kush is still filling up the space between the nodes, and pushing out white pistils, but is already 2 weeks past the breeder flowering time (I know these times are relatively meaningless), so 3 weeks is purely a guess based on the fact that 14 weeks total is a relatively long time and a lot longer than 65 days. It may have more time based on my gut, but likely not less than 3 weeks. Maybe I'm wrong, you'll know when you see them.

The AK47 doesn't seem to be swelling as much, pistils are drying up and receding, buds are tight, and trichromes are milky, but no amber yet anywhere, and it is running through when I water much sooner then it used to, so I feel like this one is finishing up. Based on amount of white hairs, and milky but not amber, I am hoping 2 weeks, maybe less. There are also a couple calyx's that look suspiciously seed sized, but only on this plant in one place and no where else.

I wasn't planning to breed or get seeds. More so, I was looking for anecdotal experience with nanners and what might happen to a plant that gets pollinated in it's last 2 weeks when it was supposed to be fattening up and finishing off. Will the other plants that didn't hermie continue to improve their flavour and resin production, or will they rapidly degrade as they switch to seed production? AKA: If I think they're pollinated, am I better to chop them all now, or wait until done? Also, it is wishful thinking to be hoping that these nanners are sterile? I read about late flower nanners sometimes being sterile, but has anyone experienced this? Do early pollinated calyx's have a tell-tale sign they are producing a seed vs just swelling?


Thanks!

 

[HydroKid239]

Fully inspect the buds. My 1st plant got stressed from a power outage and I found seeds without ever seeing a nanner until today. I have searched the entry side of my tent to seek and pick out the seeds. So far I have about 70 seeds. Even with such a big amount of seeds.. it's less than 1 seed per bud when you look at my plant. You really gotta get in there if you are gonna catch the seeds growing. I found most under the buds. Look with a flashlight. The calyx will be a darker brown if it contains a seed.. and cracked open up top if the seed is mature.

 

[HydroKid239]

I'm in week 8 of flower and just seen my first nanner last night. When I tell you I love my plants believe me lol I am always checking on them.. doing something. That's how I noticed the seeds. But when I opened my tent last night I immediately seen the nanner punch me in the face. It was bright yellow sticking out of one of the main colas.

 

[HydroKid239]

Fully inspect the buds. My 1st plant got stressed from a power outage and I found seeds without ever seeing a nanner until today. I have searched the entry side of my tent to seek and pick out the seeds. So far I have about 70 seeds. Even with such a big amount of seeds.. it's less than 1 seed per bud when you look at my plant. You really gotta get in there if you are gonna catch the seeds growing. I found most under the buds. Look with a flashlight. The calyx will be a darker brown if it contains a seed.. and cracked open up top if the seed is mature.

yea ma.. i got hit with a whammy!

 

[Wizzlebiz]

Have they opened? If not you can pluck them out with a tweezer to keep your harvest good.

 

[HydroKid239]

Have they opened? If not you can pluck them out with a tweezer to keep your harvest good.

Bro this shyt came out of nowhere. We has a power outage a few weeks back.. and 1 day my light cycle was interrupted so I took her outside... guess what... lol in the beginning I had 2 plants.. one was a male. I removed it and planted it about 50 yds from the house with it's potted soil into the ground. That MF got 5 feet tall! I didn't water it.. nada.. the leaves looked like crap but it grew.

welp.. I may have gotten her knocked up by bringing her outside that day. or it could have been the power messing up the light schedule bad. it was off by like 8 hours. Lights were supposed to come on at 9pm... didn't get light til the morning sun. Something set her off tho.. and I've already plucked seeds during a pretty in depth inspection.

 

[HydroKid239]

I clipped the nanner right out of there. Looked like the bud was sticking out a yellow tongue at me lol I look at my bish all night sometimes just trying to make sure everything is right. Monitoring temps and rh. So when I opened up last night my eyes popped out. Noticed it right away. Which I thank god for winning that sf1000 because my blurple wouldn't have shown it to me that clear.

 

[Wizzlebiz]

Bro this shyt came out of nowhere. We has a power outage a few weeks back.. and 1 day my light cycle was interrupted so I took her outside... guess what... lol in the beginning I had 2 plants.. one was a male. I removed it and planted it about 50 yds from the house with it's potted soil into the ground. That MF got 5 feet tall! I didn't water it.. nada.. the leaves looked like crap but it grew.

welp.. I may have gotten her knocked up by bringing her outside that day. or it could have been the power messing up the light schedule bad. it was off by like 8 hours. Lights were supposed to come on at 9pm... didn't get light til the morning sun. Something set her off tho.. and I've already plucked seeds during a pretty in depth inspection.

That comment was more for @Relic79

On your plants yea there is no going back now. Lol. It sucks but it is what it is.

 

[Relic79]

That comment was more for @Relic79

Do they pop open? I figured that yellow thing was just coated in polling like the stamens I've seen on things like Lillie's, etc. (Obviously unrelated plants, just frame of reference)? So far I haven't found any that popped if that's the case. They all have still looked banana like. I kept some of the ones I plucked. I'll attach a pic and also see if I can
find an open nanner pic on the net to compare to.

 

[Relic79]

@Wizzlebiz these are some examples, others were protruding further and I plucked the actual banana instead of the calyx it came from. I'm pretty sure the 2 plants these came from will be done in 12 days. It's the ones with 2 or 3 weeks left I'm worried about.

 

[Relic79]

Or like this one on the plant now. Godammit.

 

[Wizzlebiz]

Do they pop open? I figured that yellow thing was just coated in polling like the stamens I've seen on things like Lillie's, etc. (Obviously unrelated plants, just frame of reference)? So far I haven't found any that popped if that's the case. They all have still looked banana like. I kept some of the ones I plucked. I'll attach a pic and also see if I can
find an open nanner pic on the net to compare to.

Yea just like a actual male gland they need to open to pollinate.

 

[Wizzlebiz]

Blurry pics but those don't appear to be open.

Also you dont need to cut out bud. They should be able to pop right out. If not give a small spritz of water then pop them out.

 

[Relic79]

Blurry pics but those don't appear to be open.

Also you dont need to cut out bud. They should be able to pop right out. If not give a small spritz of water then pop them out.

Ok, I was pulling the calyxs as I could see what looked like more bananas inside waiting to pop out. Maybe I would be better to wait longer and pluck them when they are a bit larger.

 

[Wizzlebiz]

Ok, I was pulling the calyxs as I could see what looked like more bananas inside waiting to pop out. Maybe I would be better to wait longer and pluck them when they are a bit larger.

Once you can see the pluck them. Don't wait. If you wait they may open. Thats my suggestion

 

[Relic79]

@Wizzlebiz am I being overzealous here.

You mentioned I could remove the individual banana but leave the calyx, however when I give the plant a real good inspection, I can see tiny tips of new growth that are a lighter color then my ripening bud. If I look closer they look like nanner tips. If I pluck the calyx with the little tip (or tips) and open it, it looks like the little bunches of under ripe nanners that seem to be just waiting to pop out and cause problems.

Is what I am doing overly destructive? What I meant earlier was, should I wait for them to emerge from the calyx rather than pulling the entire calyx that has more of them hiding inside? Also, am I actually finding under-ripe nanners in bunches inside calyx's? Is that a known thing, or should I be taking pics of some kind of weird hermie beast?

Maybe I'm entirely crazy and just seeing things (I'll try add more blurry pics). For now, I'm continuing to hunt, dig and remove the entire calyx's I find suspect in addition to the actual odd banana that I find actually showing. No opened ones yet, but with 10+ days to go, I feel like this is probably a loosing battle so I'm trying to get them where they live while they're sleeping.

Should I keep it up, or relax a bit?

 

[NanoGadget]

I typically just pluck the actual nanner as Wiz suggested and its always work fine for me. Call me crazy, but ive always preferred to get the nanners early if I'm gonna get them at all. If i have to deal with my buds being seeded I'd rather have them be fully mature, viable seeds than little tiny bastards that are hard to separate. My most recent plant threw nanners early due to major stress and it ended up providing me with about 175 S1s of a strain that is no longer available so i was actually pretty happy about it. And the weed is still fire so its a win/win for me.

 

[Wizzlebiz]

@Wizzlebiz am I being overzealous here.

You mentioned I could remove the individual banana but leave the calyx, however when I give the plant a real good inspection, I can see tiny tips of new growth that are a lighter color then my ripening bud. If I look closer they look like nanner tips. If I pluck the calyx with the little tip (or tips) and open it, it looks like the little bunches of under ripe nanners that seem to be just waiting to pop out and cause problems.

Is what I am doing overly destructive? What I meant earlier was, should I wait for them to emerge from the calyx rather than pulling the entire calyx that has more of them hiding inside? Also, am I actually finding under-ripe nanners in bunches inside calyx's? Is that a known thing, or should I be taking pics of some kind of weird hermie beast?

Maybe I'm entirely crazy and just seeing things (I'll try add more blurry pics). For now, I'm continuing to hunt, dig and remove the entire calyx's I find suspect in addition to the actual odd banana that I find actually showing. No opened ones yet, but with 10+ days to go, I feel like this is probably a loosing battle so I'm trying to get them where they live while they're sleeping.

Should I keep it up, or relax a bit?

Most people wouldn't be digging deep into the bud to look for them no. They should be easily seen sticking out. There is a window between that and when they open.

Don't go nuts just inspect daily and if one is sticking out pluck that fucker.