Mass legal plant limit raid automation

[dunphy]

Hope we have some legal scholars or lawyers, police, etc. from Mass or similar states (MJ legislation) This is is random idea I had one night, I was wondering what the legal implications of this would be, and if its feasible on any sort of scale without being considered conspiracy to violate drug laws or some other law.


Basically massachusetts allows 6 plants per person, and a 12 plant max per household if more than 1 person is growing (must be legal residence)
You are allowed to keep the harvest from those plants, no matter what the amount is.


My question is... how would this work legally ( I understand this is a case by case but still, generally speaking for MA or similar states.)...

Lets say you had 25 plants going indoors, and each one is wired to a pair of shears or scissors that would automatically cut / "harvest" the plant... Each plant would have its own scissors ready to cut at any second, wired to an automatic trigger that would cut if cops are raiding or something leaving only 6 or 12 plants alive, thus putting you in the legal limit by the time the cops are at the door.

Im sure they would some how get you for conspiracy to violate or something but if just wondering if anyone with some legal expertise would be able to lend their insight. Thanks...

P.S. This is just a fun thought experiment I had recently, I've got no plans to ever do this, nor any reason to... the regular legal limit is enough for me to grow as much as I need until the next harvest. Just pure curiosity.

Here is a terrible picture I included that was supposed to help explain what im talking about.

 

[ColoradoHighGrower]

I'd read your state law again carefully. in CO, same plant count limits apply, but you can only have 3 plants per person per household that are in mature flower stage (no more than 6 flowering per house at any given time).

 

[Redskare87]

Shit ya! I’d say that’s genius! would probably invest in extra fan and filters, then install the proposed system, silently muttering ftp

 

[ColoradoHighGrower]

P.s., I'm no lawyer, but pretty sure a judge would just laugh and slap you with more charges like attempted destruction of evidence/etc for cutting your plants down automatically like that?

 

[macsnax]

A self destruct button would be better.....

 

[luuuch]

pretty sure it's a matter of rootballs

 

[Doug Dawson]

The rooted plants with stock coming out of them would count as live plants so it would not matter. Ok I will correct myself, it would matter, they would likely charge you with trying to destroy evidence as well. You would also piss them off so the police, prosecutor and judge would likely have a real hate on for you from the get go. On top of that imagine a power serge cutting down all your plants a month before ready.

 

[rmax]

I don't think it'll work. This is what the theory reminded me of:

 

[dunphy]

The rooted plants with stock coming out of them would count as live plants so it would not matter. Ok I will correct myself, it would matter, they would likely charge you with trying to destroy evidence as well. You would also piss them off so the police, prosecutor and judge would likely have a real hate on for you from the get go. On top of that imagine a power serge cutting down all your plants a month before ready.

The rooted stalk would work for maybe Maine where you can have unlimited seedling.... MA was 6 per person... The way I read it is 12 per house, 6 mature and keep harvest of all, no mention of rootball or anything. Everyone in MA I talk to seems to think the 12 limit includes mature plants as well... Including a MA cop that I spoke to,


As for the destruction of evidence, is it really legally "evidence" at that point? This is before confiscation and seizure, before its ever filed as evidence in a criminal case... Now if I had remote self destruct nano explosives inside the buds... That destroyed the plants in the evidence locker then maybe they could get me on destruction of evidence (and a slew of other more serious charges...) But only if the plants are destroyed after seizure.

For the power outtage/surge.... A mechanical trigger would probably be best.. The diagram shows scissors and wires but it could just be a large metal wire that buzzsaws through the whole room in a second.



EDIT to my own question of the legality of evidence... I was definitely wrong and that could easily be tampering with evidence...

Oh well... fun thought experiment nonetheless..

 

[dunphy]

I'd read your state law again carefully. in CO, same plant count limits apply, but you can only have 3 plants per person per household that are in mature flower stage (no more than 6 flowering per house at any given time).

Yeah I believe ours is 6 per person with 6 mature even when there are 12 per house... But everyone I spoke to says the other person is allowed to have their 6 be mature as long as they only have 6 each.

 

[Doug Dawson]

The rooted stalk would work for maybe Maine where you can have unlimited seedling.... MA was 6 per person... The way I read it is 12 per house, 6 mature and keep harvest of all, no mention of rootball or anything. Everyone in MA I talk to seems to think the 12 limit includes mature plants as well... Including a MA cop that I spoke to,


As for the destruction of evidence, is it really legally "evidence" at that point? This is before confiscation and seizure, before its ever filed as evidence in a criminal case... Now if I had remote self destruct nano explosives inside the buds... That destroyed the plants in the evidence locker then maybe they could get me on destruction of evidence (and a slew of other more serious charges...) But only if the plants are destroyed after seizure.

For the power outtage/surge.... A mechanical trigger would probably be best.. The diagram shows scissors and wires but it could just be a large metal wire that buzzsaws through the whole room in a second.

I think this acids wearing off....

While I cannot say what the deal is for each state there are a few things that would be against what you speak of. First offwhat is a plant? "In an effort to respond to the inquiries of the industry, the legislature amended the Medical Marihuana Facilities Licensing Act (MMFLA) to define “plant” as “any living organism that produces its own food through photosynthesis and has observable root formation or is in growth material.” So by that definition a stock attached to roots in a medium would be considered a plant. Now that may be different in other states but that comes from Michigan. https://michigan-marijuana-lawyer.com/what-is-considered-a-plant-for-my-marijuana-grower-plant-count/ . As for destroying evidence, I believe the actual charge would be obstruction of justice. Here is a site in Utah that speaks of flushing drugs down the toilet. https://www.howarddefense.com/utah-criminal-defense-lawyer-faq/flush-drugs-down-toilet.html . As I say it would vary from state to state and the rules are different here in Canada.

 

[dunphy]

The rooted stalk would work for maybe Maine where you can have unlimited seedling.... MA was 6 per person... The way I read it is 12 per house, 6 mature and keep harvest of all, no mention of rootball or anything. Everyone in MA I talk to seems to think the 12 limit includes mature plants as well... Including a MA cop that I spoke to,


As for the destruction of evidence, is it really legally "evidence" at that point? This is before confiscation and seizure, before its ever filed as evidence in a criminal case... Now if I had remote self destruct nano explosives inside the buds... That destroyed the plants in the evidence locker then maybe they could get me on destruction of evidence (and a slew of other more serious charges...) But only if the plants are destroyed after seizure.

For the power outtage/surge.... A mechanical trigger would probably be best.. The diagram shows scissors and wires but it could just be a large metal wire that buzzsaws through the whole room in a second.



EDIT to my own question of the legality of evidence... I was definitely wrong and that could easily be tampering with evidence...

Oh well... fun thought experiment nonetheless..

Tampering With Evidence

Tampering with evidence is the crime of altering, destroying, or concealing physical evidence with the intent to affect the outcome of a criminal investigation or co

www.criminaldefenselawyer.com

The link I found on the subject... So yeah,, definitely can be evidence before the cops make it to the door. If I set the system up with the sole intention of misleading a current or future potential investigation..

and of course none of these details really matter in this thought experiment because itd still be federal charges for a bunch of things if they wanted..

 

[Doug Dawson]

Tampering With Evidence

Tampering with evidence is the crime of altering, destroying, or concealing physical evidence with the intent to affect the outcome of a criminal investigation or co

www.criminaldefenselawyer.com

The link I found on the subject... So yeah,, definitely can be evidence before the cops make it to the door. If I set the system up with the sole intention of misleading a current or future potential investigation..

and of course none of these details really matter in this thought experiment because itd still be federal charges for a bunch of things if they wanted..

LOL, that is likely true but I do like the concept. Out of the box thinking is always cool to explore. Happy growing

 

[YardG]

I would think at the very least the Commonwealth would need to prove you intended to destroy evidence - tbf the Rube Goldberg contraption you (hypothetically) built does sound like it might point to consciousness of guilt.

 

[waterproof808]

I would think intent to distribute would be the focus instead of exceeding your plant count.

In Hawaii, when they do medical "compliance checks," they just cut your plants down if you have too many and it rarely ends in an arrest. I think its this way because compliance checks are unconstitutional and there is no law granting them permission to access your property to count your plants unless there is a complaint.

 

[ColoradoHighGrower]

Yeah I believe ours is 6 per person with 6 mature even when there are 12 per house... But everyone I spoke to says the other person is allowed to have their 6 be mature as long as they only have 6 each.

Edit: yeah, definitely different then, that's a nice upgrade from the CO law

 

[GrassBurner]

Get a wood chipper, swap the motor out with an electric motor, and have the plants on a conveyor belt feeding into the chipper. Also wire up a stereo to come on full blast when the self destruct mode is initiated.

 

[DrKiz]

Hope we have some legal scholars or lawyers, police, etc. from Mass or similar states (MJ legislation) This is is random idea I had one night, I was wondering what the legal implications of this would be, and if its feasible on any sort of scale without being considered conspiracy to violate drug laws or some other law.


Basically massachusetts allows 6 plants per person, and a 12 plant max per household if more than 1 person is growing (must be legal residence)
You are allowed to keep the harvest from those plants, no matter what the amount is.


My question is... how would this work legally ( I understand this is a case by case but still, generally speaking for MA or similar states.)...

Lets say you had 25 plants going indoors, and each one is wired to a pair of shears or scissors that would automatically cut / "harvest" the plant... Each plant would have its own scissors ready to cut at any second, wired to an automatic trigger that would cut if cops are raiding or something leaving only 6 or 12 plants alive, thus putting you in the legal limit by the time the cops are at the door.

Im sure they would some how get you for conspiracy to violate or something but if just wondering if anyone with some legal expertise would be able to lend their insight. Thanks...

P.S. This is just a fun thought experiment I had recently, I've got no plans to ever do this, nor any reason to... the regular legal limit is enough for me to grow as much as I need until the next harvest. Just pure curiosity.

Here is a terrible picture I included that was supposed to help explain what im talking about.
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Hahaha oh buddy I looooooove this!
Fuck the legality, on a purely conceptual level this is brilliant. Very imaginative man!

Building the system on paper just for the discussion! And I love your schematic by the way, nice touch.

In a perfect world where you could account for all possible variables, and with enough money and imagination and intellect, something like this could be built. But you would probably have to kill everyone involved in the construction of it except yourself. You could first build a robot construction team to help with assembly, but I feel that would delay the project and drive up costs to a point your ROI, well you know.

Unless you accounted for that too and compartmentalize the construction and assembly with different groups.

The risks involved would be great. Do not recommend, but:

10/10

 

[Doug Dawson]

Hahaha oh buddy I looooooove this!
Fuck the legality, on a purely conceptual level this is brilliant. Very imaginative man!

Building the system on paper just for the discussion! And I love your schematic by the way, nice touch.

In a perfect world where you could account for all possible variables, and with enough money and imagination and intellect, something like this could be built. But you would probably have to kill everyone involved in the construction of except yourself.

Unless you accounted for that too and compartmentalize the construction and assembly with different groups.

The risks involved would be great. Do not recommend, but:

10/10

You construct it In pieces with different contractors so you wouldnt have to hurt anyone, lol. After all, it's just pot.

 

[dunphy]

You construct it In pieces with different contractors so you wouldnt have to hurt anyone, lol. After all, it's just pot.

Manhattan Project style... Compartmentalize everything.. I like it.... and yeah lmao DrKiz... maybe a little too far on the killing everyone... we did build a city and people constructed the atomic bomb without knowing what they were building after all...

Funny to the other guy who talked about selling it... swear on my life the thought of selling it never crossed my mind... Purely for fun... Also, I think selling weed is ridiculously stupid for such a small amount of money, and big waste of time... I just want to have a seriously intricate breeding program for personal head stash, and friends and family.

Now there was a different thought exp. I had if someone wanted to sell drugs on a street level, automatically and anonymously...process involving multiple drones and a system of bank vacuum / cash tubes... But thats in the past, maybe another day we'll discuss that one...