Blew my breaker, plug grounded?

Moabfighter

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Best mouse trap, a farm cat. Mice will leave just because they know the cat is there.
I have two cats. They won’t hurt a fly let alone a mouse :/

alright so I have the week off work. Gotta fix this shit. Today/tomorrow I will inspect all outlets I suppose. I not been fucking in the walls, or adding new devices. I’m a simple lad. I have a nice rig and spend most my money on my son toys, and seeds. I’m happy with my lights etc so I don’t add much if any ever.

I suppose I can change every single outlet in the house. Walmart has them for 80c.
 

BigBadAbe

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I have two cats. They won’t hurt a fly let alone a mouse :/

alright so I have the week off work. Gotta fix this shit. Today/tomorrow I will inspect all outlets I suppose. I not been fucking in the walls, or adding new devices. I’m a simple lad. I have a nice rig and spend most my money on my son toys, and seeds. I’m happy with my lights etc so I don’t add much if any ever.

I suppose I can change every single outlet in the house. Walmart has them for 80c.
Be careful not to use a 15amp outlet on a 20 amp line and visa versa
 

getogrow

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I have two cats. They won’t hurt a fly let alone a mouse :/

alright so I have the week off work. Gotta fix this shit. Today/tomorrow I will inspect all outlets I suppose. I not been fucking in the walls, or adding new devices. I’m a simple lad. I have a nice rig and spend most my money on my son toys, and seeds. I’m happy with my lights etc so I don’t add much if any ever.

I suppose I can change every single outlet in the house. Walmart has them for 80c.
in my opinion, they are new enough to leave alone. Specially not knowing much about it. if a broken wire is too short for you to fix , you will have to rip open a wall..... if your comfortable with taking down panels or drywall then this will be "easy" ....
Just pull them out and inspect visually ....nothing more unless you see something burnt or loose.
 

getogrow

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Be careful not to use a 15amp outlet on a 20 amp line and visa versa
When you do go to the store to get outlets if needed then keep in mind the circuit your working on is 15amp. Ran in 14guage wire. so everything you need is 15amp (the 80 cent ones are 15 amp)
 

getogrow

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You can use a 20 amp receptacle on a 15 amp feed, it just won't have as much power. Using a 15 amp receptacle on a 20 amp feed is asking for a melt down.

I much prefer to buy the commercial grade receptacles, they just feel tight when you plug in.
They are much more expensive but you can "feel" it.....literally just feels tighter and a better connection.
 

Doug Dawson

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hey renfro , do you have any kind of explanation for the fluke/all hotsticks throwing false readings ? maybe something to do with lacking a ground or neutral ? Just wondering.
Yes me too @Renfro . Can you shed any light on this? As far as I know the touchless voltage testers work by detecting voltage through capacitive coupling. Here is a good site explaining how they work @getogrow , as far as I can tell the person holding the stick is the ground and the stick detects the electrical field caused by AC power unless I misunderstand. https://www.electricalknowledge.com/electricians-tools/how-does-a-non-contact-voltage-tester-work/

Edit: We are speaking of the newer testers that use capacitive coupling, not the old ones that use magnetic induction. The older styles can give a false negative when wire not grounded but the new ones that use capacitive coupling don't. Both can produce false positives due to electrical field from another source activating them but I don't believe the new ones can give false negatives due to grounding issues. Any info would be much appreciated.
 
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Apalchen

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I have two cats. They won’t hurt a fly let alone a mouse :/

alright so I have the week off work. Gotta fix this shit. Today/tomorrow I will inspect all outlets I suppose. I not been fucking in the walls, or adding new devices. I’m a simple lad. I have a nice rig and spend most my money on my son toys, and seeds. I’m happy with my lights etc so I don’t add much if any ever.

I suppose I can change every single outlet in the house. Walmart has them for 80c.
I'd think the most useful thing to do now is to make a list starting in the room by the electric panel and working forward listing everything that isn't working. Light fixtures inside or out, outlets inside or out and turn off any switches for lights or ceiling fans. List it all. Everything that's not working.
 

PadawanWarrior

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Did you have any lightning strikes close to home lately
I almost mentioned that too when he said it was raining. Last year we had a big strike close. Crazy loud boom, and then a breaker blew. It's on a couple outlets in a couple different rooms, and my deck porch lights don't work now. But it's all on the same circuit. I have an extension cord running in the corner for now.

I just haven't called an electrician because I was waiting to not have plants growing. I'm gonna have him run a dedicated line to my grow room when they come out. Originally I was gonna take summer off, but it didn't happen, lol.
 

Moabfighter

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When you do go to the store to get outlets if needed then keep in mind the circuit your working on is 15amp. Ran in 14guage wire. so everything you need is 15amp (the 80 cent ones are 15 amp)
Actually I bought the “expensive” one at Walmart hoping for better success to replace in the grow room on the 15a and it says “supports up to 20a”

I need all the power I can get once the room gets back running. Change that plug back to a cheap Walmart one?
 

Moabfighter

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Did you have any lightning strikes close to home lately
Yes. I know I apparently keep saying the wrong thing because we can’t find it. But the night of the problem was literally the biggest thunder/lightning storm in the area of the YEAR. It was huge ruckus. I know I keep saying stuff like had to be the timer, gotta be the grow outlet, gotta be mice, gotta be the pumpkin. Maybe it was the huge storm. There was heavy downpours and lightning and thunder the night all went bad.
 

getogrow

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Actually I bought the “expensive” one at Walmart hoping for better success to replace in the grow room on the 15a and it says “supports up to 20a”

I need all the power I can get once the room gets back running. Change that plug back to a cheap Walmart one?
nope , your fine. You CANNOT run a 15amp plug on a 20amp circuit. You can put a 20 amp plug on a 15 amp circuit. Your fine , its gonna be a smidge more quality but not nothing you can see or tell.
 

Moabfighter

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I'd think the most useful thing to do now is to make a list starting in the room by the electric panel and working forward listing everything that isn't working. Light fixtures inside or out, outlets inside or out and turn off any switches for lights or ceiling fans. List it all. Everything that's not working.
Lot of stuff I need to reply to in here. I will check all this tomorrow. Quite a lot isn’t working. I’d guess about 10 different sources. Between lights and plugs.
 

BigBadAbe

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OP to give a better understanding when other outlets go bad when one goes out
The are wired is what we call series and the 1st in the line goes bad they all go down
Just showing so you understand
See the source image
 

Moabfighter

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in my opinion, they are new enough to leave alone. Specially not knowing much about it. if a broken wire is too short for you to fix , you will have to rip open a wall..... if your comfortable with taking down panels or drywall then this will be "easy" ....
Just pull them out and inspect visually ....nothing more unless you see something burnt or loose.
I’d rather move from this shithole than start digging in the walls. Surely we can fix it without that. Gosh man. I used to do water fire storm mold work the tear down part. I know how to use an oscillating tool pretty well to cut out the bad chunks of drywall etc. but.... cutting my walls up?

what on earth have I done. Fuck.
 

getogrow

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Yes. I know I apparently keep saying the wrong thing because we can’t find it. But the night of the problem was literally the biggest thunder/lightning storm in the area of the YEAR. It was huge ruckus. I know I keep saying stuff like had to be the timer, gotta be the grow outlet, gotta be mice, gotta be the pumpkin. Maybe it was the huge storm. There was heavy downpours and lightning and thunder the night all went bad.
Yup , thats probably when it happened.
Your not an electrician so this stuff should not just be popping in your head. i didnt even think of that and i am a sparky. some stuff just gets overlooked..... Keep giving us all the details an we can help though.
 

Moabfighter

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OP to give a better understanding when other outlets go bad when one goes out
The are wired is what we call series and the 1st in the line goes bad they all go down
Just showing so you understand
See the source image
Hate to be so honest but I know zero on electricity. It’s like Spanish. I’ve never seen it. Rarely heard it. Just clueless ya know? It is what it is. The this picture helps. Basically if one is messed up “along the way” it’s safe to think many more along the way are off, because the first in the line or whatever is off, and they’re all connected so if one at x in the series is off, all to the right are off aswell until the series is finished. Sorta?

you guys teaching me knowledge in here. I’ve so far changed an outlet, removed my breaker cover and disconnected a wire to confirm my breaker was ok. Two things I embarrassingly have never done in my life but did today. Leveled up in real life a little. Thanks for all the help. We will fix this if you all don’t abandon me. May just take some time to ease me in.....
 

getogrow

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I’d rather move from this shithole than start digging in the walls. Surely we can fix it without that. Gosh man. I used to do water fire storm mold work the tear down part. I know how to use an oscillating tool pretty well to cut out the bad chunks of drywall etc. but.... cutting my walls up?

what on earth have I done. Fuck.
like i keep saying ....i dont think its anything you did wrong , i think its just something popping up on you vs the next tenant. I could be wrong an you could of had it slightly overloaded causing it to stay hot but not hot enough for you to notice.....in turn melting a device somewhere....
That wiring is newer so you shouldnt have any major problems like digging into walls because of short wire but you never know.
 
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