What has Trump done to this country?

CunningCanuk

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When was that (years it spanned) that the Democrats had control of the house and executive branch? What else was going on during that time? And what did they pass during that time period?
I remember Democrats controlling the house the first 2 years of Obama’s presidency. Wasn’t that the case?

I’m not saying Democrats didn’t accomplish anything but they did spend a lot of energy fighting among themselves.
 

hanimmal

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I remember Democrats controlling the house the first 2 years of Obama’s presidency. Wasn’t that the case?

I’m not saying Democrats didn’t accomplish anything but they did spend a lot of energy fighting among themselves.
Are you sure that they 'spent a lot of energy fighting among themselves'? Or are you just talking out of your ass about this because of something you 'heard'?

https://washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/marchapril-2012/obamas-top-50-accomplishments/
1. Passed Health Care Reform: After five presidents over a century failed to create universal health insurance, signed the Affordable Care Act (2010). It will cover 32 million uninsured Americans beginning in 2014 and mandates a suite of experimental measures to cut health care cost growth, the number one cause of America’s long-term fiscal problems.

2. Passed the Stimulus: Signed $787 billion American Recovery and Reinvestment Act in 2009 to spur economic growth amid greatest recession since the Great Depression. Weeks after stimulus went into effect, unemployment claims began to subside. Twelve months later, the private sector began producing more jobs than it was losing, and it has continued to do so for twenty-three straight months, creating a total of nearly 3.7 million new private-sector jobs.

3. Passed Wall Street Reform: Signed the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act (2010) to re-regulate the financial sector after its practices caused the Great Recession. The new law tightens capital requirements on large banks and other financial institutions, requires derivatives to be sold on clearinghouses and exchanges, mandates that large banks provide “living wills” to avoid chaotic bankruptcies, limits their ability to trade with customers’ money for their own profit, and creates the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (now headed by Richard Cordray) to crack down on abusive lending products and companies.

4. Ended the War in Iraq: Ordered all U.S. military forces out of the country. Last troops left on December 18, 2011.

5. Began Drawdown of War in Afghanistan: From a peak of 101,000 troops in June 2011, U.S. forces are now down to 91,000, with 23,000 slated to leave by the end of summer 2012. According to Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta, the combat mission there will be over by next year.

6. Eliminated Osama bin laden: In 2011, ordered special forces raid of secret compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, in which the terrorist leader was killed and a trove of al-Qaeda documents was discovered.

7. Turned Around U.S. Auto Industry: In 2009, injected $62 billion in federal money (on top of $13.4 billion in loans from the Bush administration) into ailing GM and Chrysler in return for equity stakes and agreements for massive restructuring. Since bottoming out in 2009, the auto industry has added more than 100,000 jobs. In 2011, the Big Three automakers all gained market share for the first time in two decades. The government expects to lose $16 billion of its investment, less if the price of the GM stock it still owns increases.

8. Recapitalized Banks: In the midst of financial crisis, approved controversial Treasury Department plan to lure private capital into the country’s largest banks via “stress tests” of their balance sheets and a public-private fund to buy their “toxic” assets. Got banks back on their feet at essentially zero cost to the government.

9. Repealed “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”: Ended 1990s-era restriction and formalized new policy allowing gays and lesbians to serve openly in the military for the first time.

10. Toppled Moammar Gaddafi: In March 2011, joined a coalition of European and Arab governments in military action, including air power and naval blockade, against Gaddafi regime to defend Libyan civilians and support rebel troops. Gaddafi’s forty-two-year rule ended when the dictator was overthrown and killed by rebels on October 20, 2011. No American lives were lost.

11. Told Mubarak to Go: On February 1, 2011, publicly called on Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak to accept reform or step down, thus weakening the dictator’s position and putting America on the right side of the Arab Spring. Mubarak ended thirty-year rule when overthrown on February 11.

12. Reversed Bush Torture Policies: Two days after taking office, nullified Bush-era rulings that had allowed detainees in U.S. custody to undergo certain “enhanced” interrogation techniques considered inhumane under the Geneva Conventions. Also released the secret Bush legal rulings supporting the use of these techniques.

13. Improved America’s Image Abroad: With new policies, diplomacy, and rhetoric, reversed a sharp decline in world opinion toward the U.S. (and the corresponding loss of “soft power”) during the Bush years. From 2008 to 2011, favorable opinion toward the United States rose in ten of fifteen countries surveyed by the Pew Global Attitudes Project, with an average increase of 26 percent.

14. Kicked Banks Out of Federal Student Loan Program, Expanded Pell Grant Spending: As part of the 2010 health care reform bill, signed measure ending the wasteful decades-old practice of subsidizing banks to provide college loans. Starting July 2010 all students began getting their federal student loans directly from the federal government. Treasury will save $67 billion over ten years, $36 billion of which will go to expanding Pell Grants to lower-income students.

15. Created Race to the Top: With funds from stimulus, started $4.35 billion program of competitive grants to encourage and reward states for education reform.

16. Boosted Fuel Efficiency Standards: Released new fuel efficiency standards in 2011 that will nearly double the fuel economy for cars and trucks by 2025.

17. Coordinated International Response to Financial Crisis: To keep world economy out of recession in 2009 and 2010, helped secure from G-20 nations more than $500 billion for the IMF to provide lines of credit and other support to emerging market countries, which kept them liquid and avoided crises with their currencies.

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Notice almost (if not all) all of these top 50 accomplishments were in Obama's first 2 years (2009-2011), the only time he had to actually get things done because the Republicans obstruction from 2010 on throughout his entire presidency.

Just because he didn't buzz NASCAR or throw a worship me-me-me rally every time he wiped his ass like Trump has done, doesn't mean the Democrats did not get a shit ton done in the two years they had power in DC.
 

mysunnyboy

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Just because he didn't buzz NASCAR or throw a worship me-me-me rally every time he wiped his ass like Trump has done, doesn't mean the Democrats did not get a shit ton done in the two years they had power in DC.

And that’s the truth. Not an egomaniac so how would the rest of the world know.
 

CunningCanuk

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Are you sure that they 'spent a lot of energy fighting among themselves'? Or are you just talking out of your ass about this because of something you 'heard'?

https://washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/marchapril-2012/obamas-top-50-accomplishments/


Notice almost (if not all) all of these top 50 accomplishments were in Obama's first 2 years, the only time he had to actually get things done because the Republicans obstruction from 2010 on throughout his entire presidency.

Just because he didn't buzz NASCAR or throw a worship me-me-me rally every time he wiped his ass like Trump has done, doesn't mean the Democrats did not get a shit ton done in the two years they had power in DC.
Perhaps my memory is failing me but I recall about 40 Democrats in the house voting against the ACA. I also recall Obama’s frustration with having to make concessions to appease Democrats in the house.

That’s what I was referring to.
 

CunningCanuk

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Just because he didn't buzz NASCAR or throw a worship me-me-me rally every time he wiped his ass like Trump has done, doesn't mean the Democrats did not get a shit ton done in the two years they had power in DC.

And that’s the truth. Not an egomaniac so how would the rest of the world know.
I wished Obama could have been president for life.
 

Jimdamick

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I think he's going to lose in November but he'll negotiate a pardon in exchange for leaving with the White House and our Democracy standing.
He will lose this coming election, those cards are already dealt.
He was/is a TV personality/failed business man that the Electoral College put in office, not, & I repeat not, the popular vote.
The fucking MAJORITY of American citizens did not fucking choose Donald J Trump to be their leader, some antiquated/archaic bullshit process, a remnant from fucking slavery did.
But, the die has been cast in the sense that Trump has brought to the forefront the massive divisions in American society.
Now, the entire World/USA awaits what the day after November 3 brings to this Planet.
I predict calamity.
God bless Joe Biden, he's inheriting a country in it's worst shape since 1776 & the future is bleak.
I pity the man
 

schuylaar

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If tRUmp doesn't have enough proud boys will he try to use the military?


at times i seriously don't get where these questions come from. there are all sorts of rules and regs on this already right down to how many feet you can stand from the door, what you can wear etc. 'refusing to rule out' a preposterous question infuriates me.
 

schuylaar

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Schuylaar received her Colorado ballot..uh buh bye Cory..so funny all you see are Hickenlooper commercials- guess that's what's happens draining the swamp- the money disappears and all you're left with is the shit turds at the bottom.
 

Jimdamick

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Biden's best interest if he starts out with some sort of peace agreement with Republicans.
Fuck peace with the Republicans.
They've been fucking over the majority of American citizens ever since they were founded with they're lies about individual freedoms.
All that counts for a Republican is fucking profit, period.
No social framework to support the needy, fuck 'em, let them die.
No, I say, after this election when the Dem's justly win the WH & Senate, whip those Republican dogs & put them where they rightfully belong, in a fucking cage behind the house.
It's pay back time
 

DIY-HP-LED

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I think a wise course of action would be to appoint a reliable former republican as special independent counsel to deal with the gov corruption. Move forward on exploiting the victory quietly by passing H.R.-1 and election security and reform. New laws that would expand FCC control and regulation of media and social media over a certain size, enforcing existing law and regulation on Fox. Attack the disinformation infrastructure of fascism and hate that directs and binds these losers in an alternative reality, burst their bubble, the old equal time doctrine might be helpful.

Justice must be done, great crimes have been committed, crimes against humanity, many will face justice, but it will be justice, not revenge or retribution. There is a reason Obama, Joe and Hilary are not in jail, the courts, if there were evidence they would be in prison, Donald and his people are another matter, one for the courts.

Republicans have no good faith or integrity and must be treated as such, but they exist and will have to be dealt with until eliminated. Dealing with Republicans is like dealing with Nazi's, you can't make a deal if the other side won't keep a bargain or breaks the rules. Liberal democracy requires good will on all sides and an agreement to play by the rules, those who operate outside the rules are dealt with differently, depending on behavior.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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I think in 2021 yer gonna see the republicans explode and that is where the real blood bath will occur, inside the republican party. The Lincoln Project formed a home and even gave jobs to patriotic republicans and former republicans, they have money and might go two ways. They might try to take over the republican party, even divide it, if there is a big enough debacle in Nov, or they might form the American Conservative Party, a right wing economic ideologically driven party.

A take over of the Republican party would mean driving the racists and Trumpers out into the political wilderness, not an easy task. Likewise forming a new conservative party would attract most of the money and isolate the Trumpers in the Qnon party, run by con men and lunatics. Let them wither on the political vine, the brand has been destroyed and the cash will eventually dry up. They have money and they have lawyers and the democrats won't stand in the way of them getting on all the ballots and opening up the system for a third party representing the interests of the wealthy without the social war bullshit. Dividing the right will keep the democrats in power for a long time.
 

schuylaar

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I think in 2021 yer gonna see the republicans explode and that is where the real blood bath will occur, inside the republican party. The Lincoln Project formed a home and even gave jobs to patriotic republicans and former republicans, they have money and might go two ways. They might try to take over the republican party, even divide it, if there is a big enough debacle in Nov, or they might form the American Conservative Party, a right wing economic ideologically driven party.

A take over of the Republican party would mean driving the racists and Trumpers out into the political wilderness, not an easy task. Likewise forming a new conservative party would attract most of the money and isolate the Trumpers in the Qnon party, run by con men and lunatics. Let them wither on the political vine, the brand has been destroyed and the cash will eventually dry up. They have money and they have lawyers and the democrats won't stand in the way of them getting on all the ballots and opening up the system for a third party representing the interests of the wealthy without the social war bullshit. Dividing the right will keep the democrats in power for a long time.
it already has; shit flows downhill- nary a Cory Gardner ad in sight 3 weeks away from election literally the biggest race here. Sheldon Adelson asked where was the Heroes Act for the laid off in his state and Trumpy lit into him; bit the hand that fed him.

we're still in charge one way or another and we can do same.

vote and no purchases until after the 3rd..do no underestimate the power of the boycott even at the individual level.
 

hanimmal

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2008 to 2010 dems had control of all 3 branches. Obama wanted to be conciliatory and Republicans plotted to destroy him.




The elections were in November 2008 (similar to how we are having elections in 2020) and Obama and the Democrats were sworn in to office in January 2009 (like hopefully Biden and the Democrats will be sworn into office in January 2021). Similar to how Trump was elected in 2016 but was sworn into office in 2017.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Joni used to castrate pigs back on the farm and made campaign ads bragging about it, too bad she missed the pig in Washington.

 

hanimmal

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I think it's actually in Biden's best interest if he starts out with some sort of peace agreement with Republicans. It seems to me that Biden isn't interested in hashing over the past. I'd like to see Trump roast but it might not be in the best interests of this country. I don't mind if people want to roast me for saying it but I'm not sure that the country would be better off if we start Biden's term with a fight.
The beautiful thing is Biden won't have to deal with Trump at all (outside of putting out the fires Trump has left to burn in our nation), all he needs to do is appoint competent people and sign what parts of Biden's agenda that the Democratic party put on his desk to sign while reaching out to all of our foreign allies strengthening our international relationships.

And not allow the Republicans scare tactics to thrive like they did in 2010 so the Democrats can build on their 2020 wins in 2022 so he can actually govern for all 4 years of his presidency unlike any of the last 3 Democratic presidents who only had 2 years to get anything done.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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not down here with the Co Springs stations. about equal of gardner/hickenlooper
Recent senate Co. polls, Donald's shit show can't be helping the GOP.

Added yesterday
DATESPOLLSTERSAMPLERESULTNET RESULT
U.S. SenateColo.OCT 2-11, 2020B/C
Morning Consult
837LVHickenlooper50%40%GardnerHickenlooper+10
U.S. SenateColo.SEP 8-17, 2020B/C
Morning Consult
599LVHickenlooper46%44%GardnerHickenlooper+2



 
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