bodhi seeds

Nutbag Poster

Nutbag Poster

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Stoned Whale said:
Out of interest what Breeders would you say those were?

I really dislike the idea of there being so many phenos from virtually every strain from most seed banks these days.

How much of its own Strain really is it if it doesn’t really represent a description of qualities well?
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Nobody loves that it's the way it is, but when you inbreed a strain for consistency, you tend to "lower the ceiling" on how good a plant you're capable of getting out of the seeds. The stellar plants that truly blow minds don't usually come out of inbred, consistent "strains". Bodhi fans aren't prioritizing consistency. This may sound jokey, but try Dinafem. They used to give out a lot of single freebies on the euro banks. Their plants match their description more accurately than anything I've found and their nice little "video tours" of their plants on their webisite looked exactly like the freebies I tried. It was quite impressive. Everything was very good and consistent and nothing quite qualified as great. My buddy on a parallel path noted the same thing.... Dinafem= consistency. They're a good company and they gave me freebies I didn't regret growing. You could probably even buy a single "pick and mix" fem seed, clone it, and sell it in a mediocre dispensary for years... you might not even go bust with a clientele that ain't fussy, particularly given the standards in my area at the moment. On the other hand.... fuck Dinafem and grow Bodhi or score top clones. Pop seeds with a chance for greatness.
 
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mathed

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mr.moejoe said:
What is the best Bodhi strain for INSOMNIA?

I thought I would have this figured out by now. But I'm starting to feel like a literal addict who's just chasing that first high. To say the least, I'm just desperate for a good nights sleep! And am hopeful you guys can help.

I've read every page on this thread and most others I can find. But am still a new grower(starting 6th Bodhi grow) and in an illegal state with limited strain effect knowledge. (I wish I could just go to a dispensary to figure it out myself firsthand.)

SUNSHINE DAYDREAM - She was my first plant and best I've EVER smoked. Other than Space Monkey, nothing I've grown since has even come close to helping specifically with my insomnia. SM definitely hit 'that spot', just not quite effectively potency wise.

I have Cluster Funk, Pillow Book and and 3 Headed Dragon F2's just out of solos. And I'm indoors with limited space, but am considering popping more seeds as I'm starting to doubt these selections and REALLY need to get it right on my next run. I have 3 SSDD seeds left(but am trying to save them for a 'proper' burial) and full packs of these others in the fridge below. Which would you recommend? I'd be open to buying something else that's available as well, but only from GLG.

SUNSHINE DAYDREAM (bubbashine x apalachia) (only 3 seeds left boo)
WALKING DREAM (wifi x SSDD)
DREADBREAD x SSDD
CHERRY SATIVA x SSDD
CHEM1 x SSDD
BUBBA KUSH (bubba katsu x ssdd)
DREAM AXIS (axis x ssdd)

PURPLE UNICORN F5 (chemdog x black widow)
PILLOW BOOK (master kush x purple unicorn)
PURPLE STAR (jalalabad star x purple unicorn)
CHERRY UNICORN (fat cherry x purple unicorn f3)
UNICORN MILK (mothers milk 31 x purple unicorn f3)

PURPLE WOOKIE V3 (rku f4 x wookie 15)
LAVENDER ARUORA (purple urkle x wookie15)
TERPANADO (strawberry milk x wookie)
SOULMATE (pinesoul x wookie 15)
BING (fat cherry x wookie 15)
LEMON WOOKIE V2 (lemon g x wookie 15)
SPACE MONKEY (gorrila glue x wookie 15)
DIVINE INTERVENTION (congo kashmir x wookie)
PHONE HOME (triangle kush x wookie 15)
NEROLI (skunk va x wookie 15)
WOOKIE ORGASM (orgasmatron 7 x wookie 15)
WOMO (mothers milk x wookie 15)

STRAWBERRY MILK F2 (nepali og x instant karma)
STRAWBERRY HEADBAND (headband loompa x strawberry milk)
OLD SOUL (pinesoul x omg)
OMG 4 (chem4 x omg)

MORE COWBELL (gsc forum x 88g13/hp)
MAGENTA HASHPLANT (rku f4 x 88g13/hp)
DLA10 (fat cherry x 88g13/hp)
CLUSTER FUNK (chem91 jb x 88g13/hp)
MANGO HASHPLANT (mango biche x 88g13/hp)
HINDU HASHPLANT (la hindu x 88g13/hp)
PEACH HASHPLANT (peach romulan x 8813/hp)
MASTER HASHPLANT (master kush x 88g13/hp)
HOLLYWEED (hollywood pure kush x 88g13/hp)
GRANDMAS HASHPLANT (irene x 88g13/hp)
GARFUNKLE (dumpster x 88g13/hp)
LAZY LIGHTNING (headband if x 88g13/hp)
TIME BANDIT (wifi 43 x 88g13/hp)

GOGI OG (nepali og x snow lotus)
SOUL AXIS (axis x snow lotus)
MANGO LOTUS (mango lotus x snow lotus)
JOYSTICK (wifi x snow lotus)
LEMON LOTUS (lemon g x snow lotus)

BAD DAWG GENETICS
LONG BOTTOM FIGHTER F2 - STARFIGHTER PHENO (starfighter f2 x long bottom leaf)
LONG BOTTOM FIGHTER F2 - LBL PHENO (starfighter f2 x long bottom leaf)
MOTOR CITY FIGHTER (motor breath 15 x long bottom leaf)
HILLBILLY FIGHTER (tennessee kush x long bottom leaf)
DRAGON FIGHTER (3 headed dragon x long bottom fighter)
SFV FIGHTER (sfv clone x long bottom fighter)
PURPLE SUNNY STAR (stardawg purple x sunshine 4)
ZD30 #9 X LONG BOTTOM LEAF
DEADHEAD X LONG BOTTOM LEAF
ATONIC X LONG BOTTOM LEAF
GIRL SCOUT COOKIES X LONG BOTTOM FIGHTER
DEATHSTAR X APOLLO 13 F4
CHROM D X CAKE FIGHTER
3 HEADED DRAGON F2 (triangle kush x dragons blood f2)
GOJI LADY (goji og x lady daze)
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I can tell you that these two are STRONG. I had an earlier release but not sure if they favored the Starfighter or the Long Bottom Leaf but it was CRUCIAL. This stuff will knock you out, literally.

LONG BOTTOM FIGHTER F2 - STARFIGHTER PHENO (starfighter f2 x long bottom leaf)
LONG BOTTOM FIGHTER F2 - LBL PHENO (starfighter f2 x long bottom leaf)

Besides the HP crosses, run the Soulmate and the Space Monkey. Both are very strong and very terpy, especially the Soulmate. They are strong, if you run them a little longer than needed, you get that pass out couchlock feel.
 
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Stink Floyd

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I would genuinely like to know what the bodhi community consensus is when they grow out a pack.

Do most like the hunt for that keeper pheno? Do most like to grow packs based on previous growers experience?

I would also like to clarify, I am talking about everything outside Supernatural Selections and Nierika Seed Trust.
 
mawasmada

mawasmada

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mathed said:
I can tell you that these two are STRONG. I had an earlier release but not sure if they favored the Starfighter or the Long Bottom Leaf but it was CRUCIAL. This stuff will knock you out, literally.

LONG BOTTOM FIGHTER F2 - STARFIGHTER PHENO (starfighter f2 x long bottom leaf)
LONG BOTTOM FIGHTER F2 - LBL PHENO (starfighter f2 x long bottom leaf)

Besides the HP crosses, run the Soulmate and the Space Monkey. Both are very strong and very terpy, especially the Soulmate. They are strong, if you run them a little longer than needed, you get that pass out couchlock feel.
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I dig that Starfighter pheno. Grown it twice now, and I've enjoyed it a lot.
As far as HP crosses, I've not grown any females yet, but I've got some coming soon. I did have a Jungle Spice male I used to pollenate my LBF f2(Starfighter), and a Bad Dawg Stardawg(JJ)x 3 Headed Dragon(amazing flavor).
 
Houstini

Houstini

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Stoned Whale said:
Out of interest what Breeders would you say those were?

I really dislike the idea of there being so many phenos from virtually every strain from most seed banks these days.

How much of its own Strain really is it if it doesn’t really represent a description of qualities well?
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Breeders that have done line breeding that I know of:
Dynasty
DJ short
Serious seeds
AK bean brains maybe?
A few passionate friends
I know I’m missing a bunch, but they are out there
 
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Stoned Whale

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Nutbag Poster said:
Nobody loves that it's the way it is, but when you inbreed a strain for consistency, you tend to "lower the ceiling" on how good a plant you're capable of getting out of the seeds. The stellar plants that truly blow minds don't usually come out of inbred, consistent "strains". Bodhi fans aren't prioritizing consistency. This may sound jokey, but try Dinafem. They used to give out a lot of single freebies on the euro banks. Their plants match their description more accurately than anything I've found and their nice little "video tours" of their plants on their webisite looked exactly like the freebies I tried. It was quite impressive. Everything was very good and consistent and nothing quite qualified as great. My buddy on a parallel path noted the same thing.... Dinafem= consistency. They're a good company and they gave me freebies I didn't regret growing. You could probably even buy a single "pick and mix" fem seed, clone it, and sell it in a mediocre dispensary for years... you might not even go bust with a clientele that ain't fussy, particularly given the standards in my area at the moment. On the other hand.... fuck Dinafem and grow Bodhi or score top clones. Pop seeds with a chance for greatness.
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Thanks for this reply dude.

I am in the UK, so scoring top clones is literally an impossible dream of mine for years now. The other issue with the pheno hunt being plant numbers and risk in an illegal country like this :(

I have grown out a bunch of Dinafem freebies over the years. I am currently in the middle of a “freebie run”, using up my last 8 years of freebies in my new location to dial room in. Have a couple dinafem in there, two White Widows, identical to each other!

Then I have two DNA Sour Banana Sherbets in there, polar opposite plants.

I had always associated inbreeding / consistency in lines with loss of potential vigor but never realised it meant loss of potential in other ways.

I am at the point in my growing life where I want that greatness. No interest in mediocrity. I have had plants over the years that were “it”. But due to numbers never had clones, I was always popping more seeds to try variety and scared to have tonnes of clones about for multiple grows for selection etc.

Underground Originals are a company here in the UK I have stuck by. They work with UK “elite” clones and their packs produce astoundingly homogenous plants. Almost identical to the original clones. They also produce the literal smelliest tastiest weed I have ever had, consistently. Maybe not all the strongest hit though. I thought their lines were all F1 even with the consistency. Probably wrong there.

I would love to learn more about this and the journey / trait changes down from F1 to IBLs if there are any podcasts / articles etc anyone can recommend.

I have wanted to try Bodhi for years, I guess I just need to pick a strain and do it. Be harsh with selection and remove clones of non amazing plants straight away. Not give every clone that second run chance as I have previously.

There are just so many strains to pick from!

I wish I could get clones posted via dark net or something. But then how do you even trust what it is? I had garden “plug plants” posted to me this year for the first time, and with COVID postal delays, some packages were over 7-10 days lost in the post. Yet still, they come extremely well packaged to maintain moisture, with the delayed ones only losing maybe 1/3rd of the 20 or so plants they can squeeze into an A4 size package, really amazed me and made me think “why ain’t these weed clones coming through my door?”.

One day.
 
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Nutbag Poster

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Stoned Whale said:
Thanks for this reply dude.

I am in the UK, so scoring top clones is literally an impossible dream of mine for years now. The other issue with the pheno hunt being plant numbers and risk in an illegal country like this :(

I have grown out a bunch of Dinafem freebies over the years. I am currently in the middle of a “freebie run”, using up my last 8 years of freebies in my new location to dial room in. Have a couple dinafem in there, two White Widows, identical to each other!

Then I have two DNA Sour Banana Sherbets in there, polar opposite plants.

I had always associated inbreeding / consistency in lines with loss of potential vigor but never realised it meant loss of potential in other ways.

I am at the point in my growing life where I want that greatness. No interest in mediocrity. I have had plants over the years that were “it”. But due to numbers never had clones, I was always popping more seeds to try variety and scared to have tonnes of clones about for multiple grows for selection etc.

Underground Originals are a company here in the UK I have stuck by. They work with UK “elite” clones and their packs produce astoundingly homogenous plants. Almost identical to the original clones. They also produce the literal smelliest tastiest weed I have ever had, consistently. Maybe not all the strongest hit though. I thought their lines were all F1 even with the consistency. Probably wrong there.

I would love to learn more about this and the journey / trait changes down from F1 to IBLs if there are any podcasts / articles etc anyone can recommend.

I have wanted to try Bodhi for years, I guess I just need to pick a strain and do it. Be harsh with selection and remove clones of non amazing plants straight away. Not give every clone that second run chance as I have previously.

There are just so many strains to pick from!

I wish I could get clones posted via dark net or something. But then how do you even trust what it is? I had garden “plug plants” posted to me this year for the first time, and with COVID postal delays, some packages were over 7-10 days lost in the post. Yet still, they come extremely well packaged to maintain moisture, with the delayed ones only losing maybe 1/3rd of the 20 or so plants they can squeeze into an A4 size package, really amazed me and made me think “why ain’t these weed clones coming through my door?”.

One day.
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Cool to see someone from the UK! We need some more international flavor in this thread I think. The thing about elite plants is they're freaks....genetic weirdos that produce freakish amounts of resin, freakish amounts of cannabinoids, bizarre overproduction of certain terpenes, etc. It ends up being quite a challenge to preserve that special, rare alignment of some equally rare recessive genes in seeds, without unintentionally "breeding out" the freakish genes that may not always look desirable in all combinations, but are the "secret sauce" that made the mom special. It's not necessarily impossible but it's a project that's probably going to take several years and a lot of determination, and the end results may never get you to what you want. A lot of breeders just don't want to channel all their efforts into a project that might not even work out well enough. If they manage to hit a home run, they're probably going charge you a healthy premium for their efforts, if they even offer them for sale to the masses. Other members might know of some IBLs that really nail it for consistency, but it's tricky. You can get close, but are you gonna keep getting elite clones from seed after seed? Unlikely.

I feel your pain in your quest for some special plants in a non-legal setting. I was there once... for fuckin' ever. I've always heard good things about Underground Originals... they focus on that "Blues" cut from an old old skunk like Cheese, right? It could see some pollen chucking potential, crossing those old skunk genes to Bodhi's best. Bodhi meets Britain. Make it happen! :) Wishing you luck in finding some special keepers!
 
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freewanderer04

freewanderer04

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Stoned Whale said:
Out of interest what Breeders would you say those were?

I really dislike the idea of there being so many phenos from virtually every strain from most seed banks these days.

How much of its own Strain really is it if it doesn’t really represent a description of qualities well?
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Humboldt Seed Co, La Plata Labs, Twenty20 Mendocino, Cannaventure, Peak Seeds BC, DJ Short, AK Bean Brains, Coastal, Ethos off the top of my head
 
SugarUB

SugarUB

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Stoned Whale said:
Out of interest what Breeders would you say those were?
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Freeborn Selections/Mean Gene from Mendocino's Sky Cuddler Kush F3 and Lime Pop Kush F3s were pretty uniform. And considering what thread we're in, Bodhi just released the Purple Unicorn F5 which I imagine would be very homogenous also.

freewanderer04 said:
If you go on their website they have several pure line strains
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Their "pure" lines appear to be just S1s, which aren't necessarily completely uniform. Bodhi specifically says you can really "crack open a gene pool" by S1ing or S2ing a cut. Meaning you get to see the parents that went into it because they will show up in the offspring.
 
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jdoorn14

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SugarUB said:
Their "pure" lines appear to be just S1s, which aren't necessarily completely uniform. Bodhi specifically says you can really "crack open a gene pool" by S1ing or S2ing a cut. Meaning you get to see the parents that went into it because they will show up in the offspring.
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Nspecta would seem to agree with that in regards to an S1, at least based on his potcast. I seem to recall that he said that in general an S1 of a clone-only is often as good as the parent, occasionally exceeds the parent but can easily fall short. IMO that's a long winded way of saying making an S1 doesn't solidify the genetics. It may increase the odds that you'll find something similar to the parent, but definitely doesn't guarantee it.
 
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SugarUB

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jdoorn14 said:
Nspecta would seem to agree with that in regards to an S1, at least based on his potcast. I seem to recall that he said that in general an S1 of a clone-only is often as good as the parent, occasionally exceeds the parent but can easily fall short. IMO that's a long winded way of saying making an S1 doesn't solidify the genetics. It may increase the odds that you'll find something similar to the parent, but definitely doesn't guarantee it.
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Haha I coincidentally just re-listened to that podcast last night while driving. His Bomb Threat Bubba was a Bubba S1 with a wildly different terpene profile from the mother. Lemon lime instead of coffee. He likes it more than original Bubba. The Mendo Purple is, to use Nspecta's words, extremely variable in the S1s. He also said that a lot of the offspring from a self pollination will be throwaways. I think he said something like 40% will be mutants and runts. I've found the same with F2s.
 
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