Droopy leaves, what's going on?
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She didn't get better at all...
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Weouthere
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Depending on your medium I think you should start feeding calmag at least. In my case I mixed coco and soil, the soil ran out of nutrients faster than I thought. Went from the first pic to the second quickly, about 3 days. It got a little worse before I figured it out. (There’s less because males) pic 3 and 4 are the plant that rebounded the most.
I’m not sure this is your problem, it just looked so familiar by the pictures. How old is the plant?
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Aussieaceae
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This is the thing about organics. Only really yourself can best answer your own questions, after being given answers to specific questions you ask yourself.
If you think you over watered, then you probably did.
If you wonder whether your LST has anything to do with it, then probably not. But if you also removed a bunch of leaves whilst doing so, then it "might" have. Less leaves = less photosynthesis = less water consumption = less thirst.
But there's nothing you can do about that now, even if it did, except wait for the plant to grow them back / get larger.
You haven't mentioned your water once in this thread, unless i'm mistaken.
Any idea of the PH or EC of your water?
You have added 1 spoon tblsp Epsom salt / gal plain water?
You haven't supplemented any 5-6-4 yet!? Absolutely none?
And is it the type you add to water, or top dress the soil?
How long has it been in the 3 gallon pot, did you add those amendments yourself, and do you plan on transplanting?
In my own experience if droop only gets worse after watering, then it's nearly always root disease. Simultaneously giving more nutrient, doesn't ever help it either.
Just take everyone's advice on what they think it may be, and act on your own assumption.
All the best, good luck.
This is very interesting. Your second pic seems very familiar.
My plant is 40 days today, showing the very first preflowers. I think I will try to add some nutrients at a very low dose the next watering.
Thank you for your answer, I will try to give more informations that can be helpful.
I have added half a tsp Epsom salt / 0.3 gal plain water.
The fertilizer is the one I add to water, I'm planning to start at very low dose (0.5ml/L) the next watering.
She is 40 days old, I added the amendments myself and I wish I don't have to transplant, I want to start flowering as soon as this problem is solved.
I have only removed the very first couple of single bladed leaves, they were still very green.
I have a cheap EC and PH pen, I'm not sure they are really accurate, so I have never used them.
I have added half a tsp Epsom salt / 0.3 gal plain water.
The fertilizer is the one I add to water, I'm planning to start at very low dose (0.5ml/L) the next watering.
She is 40 days old, I added the amendments myself and I wish I don't have to transplant, I want to start flowering as soon as this problem is solved.
The day after watering leaves get much better (but still not beautiful). It seems like it gets worse when soil is drying up.
Aussieaceae
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I'm assuming it's decanted tap water?
Does it produce scale?
Handy information to know your EC and PH. At the very least be aware of what it roughly is.
You'll also be needing the EC and PH meters for soluble nutrients, if that's what you're using.
0.25 gallons to a 3 gallon pot doesn't seem like much at all, and you wouldn't be getting much waste either.
Have you been making sure to run to waste each watering?
Don't be fooled by root disease. It can get better initially after fresh water, but very quickly goes back to how it was or worsens. Usually within hours.
Same generally applies to mineral buildup in soil. Which leads to lockouts. Often better on watering, but gets worse as it dries.
It is an extremely common mistake to water only a little at a time + more frequently. This often keeps the soil continuously too moist, while also not running excess mineral content out the pot.
If your watering practice has been similar to this, then i think better watering practice would be a great start.
It would maybe be both an explanation for the droop + getting worse after adding more nutrient / supplement. Plus maybe an explanation to the brief period of improvement after each watering.
Make sure you're running to waste when you water. And before you add any more nutrients, get a good EC and PH probe and test your water. You'll be needing them when mixing your nutrient anyway.
Have a good 1.
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Yes I use decanted tap water, there is no scale in the bottle.
I tried to misure PH and EC of tap water (still not decanted), getting 7 as PH, 0.5 EC (270 ppm).
I think I will try to give more water at once and wait more between watering. In the next days I will try a first feed measuring PH and EC.
Thank you very much for your help. I will keep the post updated.
Wattzzup
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You should slowly water your pot. Add a little and let it absorb it. Then repeat. Are you lifting the pots and making sure they are very heavy? Then let them sit until they are very light.
I wouldn’t recommend this normally with organic but since you're having issues I would start there.
I wouldn’t recommend this normally with organic but since you're having issues I would start there.
Aussieaceae
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Not a problem at all. Good plan.
Run some good waste next watering. And If the plant starts to look better, then i'd probably give it plain water once again the following watering too. Just to be sure you rinsed any mineral buildup out the pot. (so i'd start nutrient on about your 3rd watering or so)
Start off really light on your fertilizer. Take your tap water up to about 1.0 EC using your 5-6-4 only. Ph no less than 6 and closer to 6.5.
If fertilizer's what it needs, then you should see an improvement very quickly.
Do all of this whilst being sure you're not over watering. Don't flush your soil either. But do start running to waste, and your very next watering run a little more.
Then only water when you're certain it needs more.
No worries mate and good luck. Anything happens along the way you're unsure of, then be sure to post here sooner.
See you in a week or two.
P.S.
Your water sounds a lot like mine to be honest. Great for the garden. But leaves scale in my kitchen appliances, like kettle / coffee machine.
It also makes container gardening a little more difficult, but nothing too bad.
Any hydroponics besides coco though, it's a completely different story in my own case.
I never ph my plain water either for soil. Only time I ever ph my own water, is after mixing soluble salt based fertilizer through it.
If it isn't water soluble, I don't bother.
Also, plain water between feedings would be my own recommendation.
Regardless, whether it be plain water, or fertilizer, always run to waste.
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Yesterday soil was pretty dry, and the plant droopy. I watered it until a 10% run off and her leaves came up in a couple of hours.
But, here I have a today picture with her sister (she is 15 days younger but very tiny, lot of nodes very near each others).
She doesn't seem happy, really worried, I really hope it's not a root problem. Anyway I'm going to give her another 1 or 2 waterings before lightly fertilizing, meanwhile I'm almost forced to start flowering. Except for the droopy leaves, she is streaching a lot, the tent is starting to get tight to her.
Thank you, I really appreciate the help you are giving to me, it's only my third try and I have still a lot to learn.
Regarding the water, it's really annoying when it leaves scale in caffee machine, but I could find a sort of plastic bag that absorbs the scale of the water. The main problem is the scale that accumulates in the sink heads, I need to clean them almost every 10-15 days...
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I gave half a teaspoon in 0.3 gallon of water. I misured EC of the solution, it was 1.1.
I will use BioMagno fioritura O.M., it's rich of amino acids, enzymes, beneficial bacterias. The bad thing is that I'm not sure it contains calcium and magnesium (they aren't cited in the back layer), but it wouldn't be a problem having epsom salt, hydrated lime and diatomaceous earth.
Trickyticky
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post fresh picture and run through things again ,
Today pics. Pretty strange, no discoloration in the lower leaves, which seems darker than the new growth.
Some higher leaves are showing up some yellow between veins.
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Aussieaceae
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To be expected really with smaller plants, they don't often need as much water. You might want to leave the smaller one another day or two between watering.
2.0 EC is honestly pretty standard. But your own problem here, is between Epsom salts and the scale in your water and your own watering practice, you can't really say what's in it.
Since it got worse after Epsom salts, i'd certainly suggest whatever's in that 2.3 EC is not helping you.
How many times have you watered since the other day? My hopes are just one.
On next watering i'd run more waste with plain water and get that EC down. Then follow up with your 1.0 EC of your 5-6-4, and run plenty of waste again.
And if after bringing that waste EC down with plain water, you think it could go without fertilizer until the next watering, then that's what i'd do myself.
Also 1 litre's worth of waste from a 10 litre pot isn't adequate just for now. I'd be running more until you notice some improvement.
It might be wise to ph your plain water between 6.5 and 7 for now too.
Tough lesson to learn. Organics is extremely unforgiving when you tip things over the edge. Hydroponics is such an easier fix in this sense, because it's oftentimes as simple as a flush and reset, or reservoir change.
Soil this isn't so true and it takes a lot more time to bring them back to health. You're honestly very lucky it's only a 3 gallon pot.
And once your plants are improving, don't even measure the waste. It's pretty pointless unless using inert media. Because the EC and PH of your waste, is by no means an accurate measurement of your soil's own PH and EC.
Truly here to help you man. Anything else, or other questions you think I might be able to answer, just shoot.
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Thank you man for your kindness. You are really helping me.
After the last watering with run off, she seems a lot happier. Still not the best condition, but it's still something.
I will follow every your advice. I will water again tomorrow or in a couple of days with 6.5-7 Ph and I will try anyway to measure the runoff.
Then, depending on the current situation, I will try to start with very low dose nutes.
