Now what do I/we do?

Jimdamick

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They will build a Trump "tower" of shame on the fucking Washington mall as a memorial, they can inscribe all the covid victims names on it, surround it with 30,000 lies engraved in granite. Make it a monument to monumental stupidity and moral failure. Any Trump or covid memorial should also include a tribute to his base and pictures of his fucking rallies, it would be a memorial to morons too. Make it rival the Washington memorial, in a way Trump did for his base, they would follow him and say fuck George, winning!
You know what I was just thinking? (Of course you don't :) )
It was the amusing thought about where Trump's Presidential Library will be located (I'm laughing hysterically now actually, just thinking of that concept, a Library dedicated to Trump)
Most States are proud of their Native Sons that acheived the highest Honor in the Land, to be the POTUS and are happy to have a monument to that person in their State.
In New York, not that much.
He's fucking loathed there by the majority of it's residents (they warned you he was an asshole, remember?)
No one will want it in their neighborhood (it will bring in all the bad elements :) )
So, I guess it will have to be in his new home state of Florida & that should work out OK, over 1/2 the State is fucking illiterate :)
Peace out/stay safe :)
 

hanimmal

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And back in Afghanistan a few decades later, the Zen master says "we'll see"
Theses why what Trump did to the Kurds is so horrifying.

Just abandoned a fledgling democracy that was trying like hell to be represented by their entire population.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/14/opinion/trump-syria-kurds-turkey.html
In spring 2015, the only semiofficial way to enter the Kurdish-controlled areas of northern Syria, referred to by Kurds as Rojava, was by boat across the narrow Tigris River from Iraqi Kurdistan. The boats were small and rusty. Weighed down with migrants and supplies, they moved with the urgency of sunning water buffalo. It was a trip for desperate people — I shared the boat with an elderly couple headed for Islamic State-held areas hoping to save their family home from occupation — taken at a tourist’s pace.

Like much of Rojava at the time, the border crossing was part reality and part wishful thinking. Our rickety boat flew the green, red and yellow Kurdish flag as proudly as a naval warship. The security forces wore badges declaring themselves to be members of the People’s Protection Unit, or Y.P.G., a fledgling force devoted to protecting the would-be autonomous region. Distributing handwritten permits that would allow us to pass through checkpoints, they welcomed us as though Rojava wasn’t still mostly a Kurdish dream.

Over decades of United States intervention in the Middle East, Kurds have been most often measured by their worth as military allies, and in relation to how much or how little they have helped Americans defeat an enemy. In Rojava, that enemy was the Islamic State; in Iraqi Kurdistan it was Saddam Hussein. Since President Trump ordered the withdrawal of American troops from northern Syria, opening the doors for a Turkish incursion, outcry in the West has been focused on the abandonment of fighters who led a dangerous charge against ISIS. The withdrawal has been rightly characterized as a “betrayal” and the ensuing bloodshed provides more than enough evidence of the brutality of Mr. Trump’s decision.

But to see the move as simply a betrayal of military allies is to miss much of what is currently at stake in northern Syria, where a would-be Kurdish autonomous region is also the site of a deeply ambitious — if young and controversial — attempt at democracy, equality and stability. While the Y.P.G. members and their female counterparts in the Women’s Protection Unit fought on the front lines, Kurds in Rojava worked to fulfill a plan for Kurdish democracy at least three decades in the making. That plan included equal representation of women and minorities; fair distribution of land and wealth; a balanced judiciary; and even ecological preservation of northern Syria’s rural landscape.

Rojava is a flawed and often fraught experiment. But amid major crackdowns on supporters of the Kurdish movement in Turkey and setbacks in the campaign for independence in Iraqi Kurdistan, Kurdish Syria became the heart of the greater Kurdish movement — and the people living there much more than military allies. Those who fought the Islamic State did so alongside Americans they truly regarded as partners. But they fought for Rojava.

Before visiting Rojava, I had spent years reporting on Kurdish movements in the region, with a focus on those influenced by the imprisoned Kurdish leader Abdullah Ocalan. Over 40 years, the Kurdistan Workers’ Party, the group known as the P.K.K. that Mr. Ocalan founded as a guerrilla army — and which Turkey, the United States and the European Union consider a terrorist organization — grew into a political and social force. The success of his doctrines was particularly apparent in the prominent role of Kurdish women in Kurdish politics.

But Kurds in Turkey, like Kurds in Iraq, forged their political and cultural gains in the context of much stronger central states. In Syria, war and political upheaval created a power vacuum in the north. Kurds rushed to create their ideal Ocalan-inspired society.

As an experiment, Rojava was deeply compelling. I met political leaders like Hediye Yusuf, a woman whose early political identity was shaped in
Syrian prisons and who eventually became co-president of one of Rojava’s three regions. I met women who were trained to intervene after reports of domestic violence. I talked to shopkeepers who distributed their goods to families in need, and to a Christian Syrian who stayed in northern Syria to ensure Christian representation in the P.Y.D., the governing political party.

What I saw was in keeping both with Rojava’s guiding doctrine — a document called the Social Contract — and a result of extreme circumstance. ISIS wasn’t far away. One farmer shared his food not because he had read the Social Contract but because that’s what you did for your neighbors during a trade embargo. A female fighter would have preferred to be a photographer, but that would have to wait. The ideals of Rojava were often impossible to separate from the pressures of war.

It was tempting to romanticize. Journalists and politicians, drawn to the region by the promises of the Social Contract, were treated to guided tours and organized conferences. The word “utopia” was often applied in headlines, and comparisons were made between the Y.P.G. fighting ISIS and those who fought the fascists in theSpanish Civil War. Mr. Ocalan’s writings incorporate the teachings of the American philosopher Murray Bookchin and made reference to the Irish political scientist Benedict Anderson’s critiques of nationalism, which gave the Kurdish project worldwide appeal.
Defending Kobani, a border town with little strategic significance but huge symbolic importance, raised the profile of the Syrian Kurdish forces in 2014. When the Y.P.G. helped open a safe passage for Yazidis escaping ISIS genocide in Iraq, they were regarded as heroes, not terrorists.

Kurds outside of Syria, particularly in Turkey, hung their dreams of Kurdish autonomy on the dream of Rojava. In 2015, a Kurdish architect in Turkey laid out long-term plans for Kobani. Houses would be built with solar panels, low and whitewashed like on a Greek island, he told me. A Kurdish lawyer drinking tea by the border said he would have never predicted Mr. Ocalan’s ideas would play out in Syria, rather than Turkey. But he was happy about it. “It’s a dream come true,” he said at the time.

Kurdish autonomy and United States support made Rojava a threat to Turkey and to President Recep Tayyip Erdogan. Using the language of counterterrorism, his administration in 2015 began increasing efforts to imprison supporters of the Kurdish movement in Turkey, removing democratically elected Kurdish leaders from their positions and cracking down on protests so brutally as to transform cities in southeastern Turkey into war zones. Last year, Turkish-backed forces took over Afrin, part of Rojava. “Erdogan started a war,” Adem Uzun, head of foreign relations for the Kurdish National Congress, told me. “He was afraid that Kurds in Rojava would achieve something and gain recognition.”

Mr. Erdogan’s attacks in Syria show signs of awakening a political fervor that he had effectively quashed; in Diyarbakir, historically the political center of Kurdish Turkey, small protests have materialized in the streets. “When you talk to people they say: ‘O.K., we have lost a lot here. They destroyed our cities. But at least in Rojava we have made some gains,’” Ramazan Tunc, a businessman and politician who until the 2015 crackdowns was working to open a Kurdish-language university in Turkey, told me. The attacks in northern Syrian, he said, “may trigger unrest.”

To be worthy of protection, Rojava doesn’t need to be romanticized or viewed solely through the lens of American goals in the region. It is a uniquely
Kurdish experiment, grown out of decades of military and political struggle in every part of a would-be Kurdistan and constantly adapting to the circumstances of war.

It is rightly criticized. In my reporting, I’ve talked to Kurds who fled the political dominance of the P.Y.D., and human rights groups who have accused the Y.P.G. of recruiting child soldiers. Rumors of a political alliance, perhaps tacit, with the regime of Bashar al-Assad have now been given more weight as a result of a new military alliance in the face of the Turkish assault. Those who consider the revolution delegitimized by any ties to the Assad regime will have their argument strengthened; others will say Kurds, as they often have, are simply trying to survive in an impossible situation.

But Rojava has been successful against astonishing odds, laying the foundations of a flawed but ambitious local democracy. “I do not claim it was a perfect place,” Yasin Duman, an academic whose research focuses on the administration in northern Syria, wrote to me in an email. “But they have taken a huge step toward achieving an autonomous region that is able to accommodate many of the needs of different ethnic, religious and political groups. All this happened when the region was under attack from different groups and regimes.”

Rojava’s strength, he explained, came not just from its vaunted fighting units. It also came from teaching Kurdish language and culture, respecting other religions and ethnicities, and building toward gender equality. “I do not think Trump’s administration can, or is willing, to understand this,” he wrote.
 

Bagginski

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Ahhh...so like those you support you’re not truthful. We shouldn’t have expect anything else from you I suppose.
You’re reading impaired - or truth impaired...like your fellow supporters and the professional dickers you support.

Believe me, I didn’t (and don’t) expect anything else from the delusional “right”
 

DIY-HP-LED

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the most dangerous part of trumps presidency starts now......were in for a hellish 2 months
Mitch wants those two senate seats in Georgia so bad he can taste it and Donald is stupid and desperate, I say set them against each other, if they don't go at it on their own. Impeach Donald for his election statements and throw in Stormy Daniels too, it would be nice to wait for a conviction, but this is a golden opportunity that will be vindicated by the courts with in months, with the Stormy part of election cheating. Mitch would be in a very hard fucking place then and would either have to convict or acquit Donald and fuck knows what Donald will do then. Georgia would definitely be on Mitch's mind with Donald going off the deep end.

Donald is gonna fire Fauci, Wray and a host of other competent vital government people. How will that help Mitch in Georgia, Donald up to his ankles in gore, with blood on his face ripping Uncle Sam's guts out with his teeth. As the base cheers on...
 

schuylaar

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You’re not flipping rural areas because they’re scared their guns are going to be taken. Dems have to shake that stigma and stay away from taking guns if they want to flip voters.
normally education would be the way but those who we need to convince don't even understand (or care) why 2A is there to begin with..a group not allowing you a gun?- but it wasn't our government that did it..it was the Protestants who wouldn't allow Catholics, guns.

2A was for equality.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Fauci needs to join with Joe on the mask effort, just enough to get Donald to fire him, perhaps Wray too, in his own special agent way.
 

Bagginski

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Yep fuck the country and trigger the libs, you don't even know what the word liberal means. I think with you the most important thing of all is that the brown folks be kept down and your "tribe" stay on top, you will put up with anything at all to achieve this rather vague and idiotic objective. You would even fuck yourself, people do that stuff if they think they are at war, kinda like being a suicide bomber, you pathologically vote against your own best interests.

We might as well get right down to it and that starts with motives, what really motivates you? Do you know? Is it fear?

Dillion Roof said it best for the Trump supporters, "They are taking over", as justification for mass murder at a black church. Does Dillion speak for you too?
Cant really be said enough: the “Trump army” has been actively and continually brainwashed for 40+ years, by the best that private fortunes can buy...they were intentionally *PRIMED* for someone like Trump - remember Grover Norquist? He said the secret part out loud years ago: GOP didn’t (and doesn’t) want a “leader”, a “statesman”, a ‘guy with ideas’...they have their ideas, their marching orders...he said it in so many words. They wanted a guy who would sign what they put in front of him, and provide cover while they dismantled the nation.

They were probably careful not to say that in Sunday School, though: even “conservatives” can catch on...at least, until the cement sets....
 

Wattzzup

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Yea right?
I'm following Biden/Chappelle's lead and biting my tongue & not calling out his idiocy.
It really is time too chill out & focus on our most immediate threats, COVID-19 & the upcoming economic disaster on the horizon.
It's time for my Song of the Day :)

Wishful thinking. They’re planning their next attack on dems already.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Talk about “Trump derangement syndrome”...”good for the country”....:clap:
Uncle Sam had a case of norovirus and just had a good shit, if he means, what don't kill ya makes ya stronger, he might be right, Uncle Sam will be more careful about his diet in the future and will re arrange the kitchen so it won't happen again. Next step is to clean and sanitize the bathroom after the last turd is flushed...
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Cant really be said enough: the “Trump army” has been actively and continually brainwashed for 40+ years, by the best that private fortunes can buy...they were intentionally *PRIMED* for someone like Trump - remember Grover Norquist? He said the secret part out loud years ago: GOP didn’t (and doesn’t) want a “leader”, a “statesman”, a ‘guy with ideas’...they have their ideas, their marching orders...he said it in so many words. They wanted a guy who would sign what they put in front of him, and provide cover while they dismantled the nation.

They were probably careful not to say that in Sunday School, though: even “conservatives” can catch on...at least, until the cement sets....
They created a monster that got off the fucking leash!
 

Bagginski

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2A was for equality.
...and “Indian wars”...and escaped slaves (fugitive slave patrols evolved into both the KKK and organized police forces).

Just an addendum - and totes historical...easily looked up.

And just to say, the Ninth Amendment is about rights not spelled out in the Constitution...like rights to grow and smoke weed...not go to church...marry who you want...or terminate a pregnancy
 
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DIY-HP-LED

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You know what I was just thinking? (Of course you don't :) )
It was the amusing thought about where Trump's Presidential Library will be located (I'm laughing hysterically now actually, just thinking of that concept, a Library dedicated to Trump)
Most States are proud of their Native Sons that acheived the highest Honor in the Land, to be the POTUS and are happy to have a monument to that person in their State.
In New York, not that much.
He's fucking loathed there by the majority of it's residents (they warned you he was an asshole, remember?)
No one will want it in their neighborhood (it will bring in all the bad elements :) )
So, I guess it will have to be in his new home state of Florida & that should work out OK, over 1/2 the State is fucking illiterate :)
Peace out/stay safe :)
Nuremburg PA? He did meet his waterloo in PA!

I was gonna suggest one of his government seized golf courses but they will need little hills with firepits, so his fans can burn crosses when the come to worship at the shrine of evil. It will be a "free expression zone" where they can go and dress up in bed sheets and NAZI storm troopers and hold tiki torch parades among the symbolic half million tombstones...

A permanent Trump rally ground, where you can take an Irish vacation and bring yer shillelagh along for some old fashioned fun, it will be a popular holiday. Kinda like those civil war reenactments only for real, no guns allowed, this is therapeutic ... Yep make 2020 live on, in the confines of the Trump memorial/Library with a perpetual memorial riot! Put cameras up and make a buck, form teams, it would be no worse than football FFS
 
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Bagginski

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You’re not flipping rural areas because they’re scared their guns are going to be taken. Dems have to shake that stigma and stay away from taking guns if they want to flip voters.
They’re scared of their guns being taken for the simple fact that’s it’s been beaten into their heads for generations that “THEY” are hated and feared by “THE OTHERS” because of their ‘patriotism’ and “THE OTHERS” *need* to take those guns in order to ‘do away with’ those “patriots” they hate and fear...and over time, stockpiling guns, ammunition, military gear, small-unit tactics, and over-the-top resentment has become the number one pastime for those “gawd-feared Americans”. They’ve been told on the radio every day at work, they’ve been told on the TV every night at home, they’ve been told by their pastors and their fellow churchgoers and their mechanics, their dentists, their hunting buddies...and their friends and relatives who hear the same shit from the same sources...over and over and OVER AGAIN.

No shit, for DECADES. There *IS NO WAY TO TELL THEM ANY DIFFERENT*. That’s how brainwashing *WORKS*: you love Big Brother no matter WHAT he does, or WHAT he says, or WHO he hurts, or what ANYONE a tries to tell you.

And this is why “Trump” isn’t going away - even after he’s out of office, even if (when) he lands in jail.

the job isn’t done, the work isn’t finished...it’s only beginning.

Donald will be going nuts in prison, but his ghost will be around, so will the other republican assholes who sold America down the fucking river. Spend four years cutting the legs from out under the republicans, a major issue is the rural/urban divide, find out why this is so and start from there. Treat the republicans like any other terrorist organization, settle grievances to the extent that you can in rural America and get a good grip on it, you don't need them all, just some for now.

Tactics in this social fight might involve using their biggest asset against them, Donald and his desire to wiggle out of the trap and Mitch's lust for senate power, the wise would play these two off against each other before the Georgia election.
Exactly right...I agree completely.
 
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