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schuylaar

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The great thing about John was how he reflected on himself and changed, George was meant to have said once said that 'John was a saint and he's heavy duty and he's great and I love him. But at the same time he's such a bastard but that's the great thing about him you see?"

George was called the quiet Beatle but he was the opposite, at times he was a womaniser had copious amounts of coke but still to me is the best.

I live two to four miles away from where they were brought up, I worked for 16 years in a place the Beatles played. The greatest band ever, the greatest rock band ever Led Zep ha
according to legend, John really loved Yoko and would get upset when people made fun of her singing at a NY recording studio..back in the early 80s waiting on tables, entered into a conversation while a Lennon song was playing in the background with two recording engineers that lived in NJ..we were only 30 miles from Manhattan and people commuted back then.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Mike Pence Falsely Takes Credit for Pfizer Vaccine, Is Promptly Told to Fuck Off
Ivanka Trump has also credited President Daddy with the good news.

As you’ve probably heard by now, over the weekend Donald Trump was projected as having lost the 2020 election to Joe Biden, in part due to his disgraceful response to the COVID-19 pandemic, wherein he effectively just let the virus spiral out of control, leading to the deaths of nearly 238,000 in the U.S. Because he’s mortifyingly delusional, though, he believes that (1) he still has a chance at being reelected, hence the refusal to concede, and (2) the news that Pfizer’s vaccine is more than 90% effective in early trials and may be available by the end of the year is somehow a credit to him.

Taking a break from tweeting clips about election fraud that were immediately flagged for spreading false information, a.k.a. the only kind of information he spreads, Trump tweeted: “STOCK MARKET UP BIG, VACCINE COMING SOON. REPORT 90% EFFECTIVE. SUCH GREAT NEWS!” Later Mike Pence took things a step further:
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DIY-HP-LED

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Watch out for T2000, is what you do, the defective T1000 terminator didn't kill Uncle Sam, the improved model will, unless you strangle the fucker in the cradle of its creation. The next Donald will be smarter, but a lot more evil, he will know how to lead, have a plan and stick to it, America is easy prey for the right asshole. Donald only has an IQ of 78, if he had a brain much less a plan, he would be truly dangerous, none the less, if it wasn't for covid he would have had you enslaved and the chain would have just been locked around your necks.
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Brace yourselves. The next Donald Trump could be much worse

If Biden governs as an establishment Democrat, it won’t be long before the US elects another, far more effective Donald Trump

Joe Biden has defeated Donald Trump. Millions across the country are applauding the downfall of a president who has been mendacious in his public communications, loathsome in his personal conduct, and utterly inept in his handling of a pandemic that has killed 230,000 Americans.

Amid the celebration, however, there should be nagging fear. Biden ran largely on the idea that he will be a return to the normalcy of the Obama years. But if he governs as a “normal” Democrat, it won’t be long before we have to deal with the next Donald Trump.

The real Trump buried himself in blunders and couldn’t deliver on campaign promises to voters. Instead of saving manufacturing jobs and protecting, as he pledged, “the jobs, wages and wellbeing of American workers before any other consideration”, the Trump administration eliminated paid overtime rules, created tax cuts for the rich and lost 740,000 manufacturing positions this year alone.

Yet a different Donald Trump might have handled the coronavirus pandemic competently and launched an ambitious infrastructure and jobs program capable of improving the lives of millions of people. Without actually challenging oligarchs and big business interests, this alternate-reality Trump might have been able to effectively marry economic populism with xenophobia, the same formula that has propelled rightwing authoritarians to power elsewhere in the world. A different Trump might have even managed to win over enough voters who typically vote for Democrats, including black and brown voters, to expand his base into one capable of winning the popular vote.
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Bagginski

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you came into american waters..did you bring your trudeau?
Born in the segregated south...lived half a year each in Germany and Mexico, but my perspectives are home-grown.
Sorry if you were making a joke - couldn’t tell (not awake yet)
 
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Bagginski

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Donald already tried to order Esper to use the insurrection act after losing the election, that was why he was fired, he should have demanded Trump show cause and simply refused to resign or allow himself to be fired, have them drag him physically out of there screaming treason all the way.

The house armed services committee should immediately call Esper and start asking questions publicly.
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DOJ's election crimes chief resigns after Barr allows prosecutors to probe voter fraud claims
Barr on Monday issued a memo authorizing prosecutors "to pursue substantial allegations of voting and vote tabulation irregularities prior to the certification of elections."

The head of the branch of the Justice Department that prosecutes election crimes resigned Monday hours after Attorney General William Barr issued a memo to federal prosecutors authorizing them to investigate “specific allegations” of voter fraud before the results of the presidential race are certified.

Richard Pilger, who was director of the Election Crimes Branch of the DOJ, sent a memo to colleagues that suggested his resignation was linked to Barr’s memo, which was issued as the president’s legal team mount baseless legal challenges to the election results, alleging widespread voter fraud cost him the race.

“Having familiarized myself with the new policy and its ramifications, and in accord with the best tradition of the John C. Keeney Award for Exceptional Integrity and Professionalism (my most cherished Departmental recognition), I must regretfully resign from my role as Director of the Election Crimes Branch,” Pilger’s letter said, according to a copy obtained by NBC News.

“I have enjoyed very much working with you for over a decade to aggressively and diligently enforce federal criminal election law, policy, and practice without partisan fear or favor. I thank you for your support in that effort.”

s a change of Justice Department policy, which had previously advised prosecutors that "overt investigative steps ordinarily should not be taken until the election in question has been concluded, its results certified, and all recounts and election contests concluded."

Barr, who's come under fire by right-wing media for not bolstering the president's evidence-free claims of widespread voter fraud in the 2020 election, declared that guidance outdated.

"Such a passive and delayed enforcement approach can result in situations in which election misconduct cannot realistically be rectified," Barr said in the memo.
Ah, but Barr’s two-step allows investigation of SUBSTANTIAL and SPECIFIC allegations - and there ARE NONE: which is why the regime’s court challenges are being thrown out - they have no merit
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Ah, but Barr’s two-step allows investigation of SUBSTANTIAL and SPECIFIC allegations - and there ARE NONE: which is why the regime’s court challenges are being thrown out - they have no merit
It's all a show to:
1 Raise money to pay off bigly debts and perhaps to pay back Donald, Donald has a new business model pay to catch covid by attending his rallies, he will have his base beat that deep state vaccine to herd immunity!

2 Soothe Donald's shattered ego and give him the emotional support and adulation of the crowd, which he craves and loathes simultaneously (Donald is very fucked up)

3 Keep Donald from blowing up and fucking up the republicans senate seat chances in Georgia, this accounts for the blather from the GOP congress.

4 Donald is simply desperate and doesn't know what else to do but strike out at his tormentors, so give him hope and keep him in as good a mood as possible.

Impeach the fucker and let Mitch carry his water one last time or fuck him before the Jan 5th election in Georgia and Pence becomes 46 for a few weeks. If he fucks him the base will go nuts, if he let's him run wild again, he owns him and whatever he does. Either way Mitch would be in a hard place and that's where ya want to keep the treasonous fuck. Nancy knows best, if it helps get Georgia for the senate it will be done.
 

hanimmal

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Ah, but Barr’s two-step allows investigation of SUBSTANTIAL and SPECIFIC allegations - and there ARE NONE: which is why the regime’s court challenges are being thrown out - they have no merit


It just sucks that they are trolling us with threatening the ultimate level of election theft.

Decoy said screw off to the courts, 150,000 mail in ballots landed a day late and didn't get counted.

But, someone made a video of ballots being burnt (fake, was sample ballots that were burnt).
 

Bagginski

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It's all a show to:
1 Raise money to pay off bigly debts and perhaps to pay back Donald, Donald has a new business model pay to catch covid by attending his rallies, he will have his base beat that deep state vaccine to herd immunity!

2 Soothe Donald's shattered ego and give him the emotional support and adulation of the crowd, which he craves and loathes simultaneously (Donald is very fucked up)

3 Keep Donald from blowing up and fucking up the republicans senate seat chances in Georgia, this accounts for the blather from the GOP congress.

4 Donald is simply desperate and doesn't know what else to do but strike out at his tormentors, so give him hope and keep him in as good a mood as possible.

Impeach the fucker and let Mitch carry his water one last time or fuck him before the Jan 5th election in Georgia and Pence becomes 46 for a few weeks. If he fucks him the base will go nuts, if he let's him run wild again, he owns him and whatever he does. Either way Mitch would be in a hard place and that's where ya want to keep the treasonous fuck. Nancy knows best, if it helps get Georgia for the senate it will be done.
“Keep grievance alive!”
 

DIY-HP-LED

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“Keep grievance alive!”
Eventually it will be "Free Donald" (Free Willy the whale) rallies held by his wife as a scam for herself and son, the presumptive crown prince, every body else will be in prison and the 2024 campaign will be about pardoning them if Trump or his utensil gain control of the nomination and makes Donald his VP pick, even if he is in prison. 70 million Americans will still vote for the ticket in 2024, even if Trump is blubbering insanely in a supermax rubber room. Come on, with what we've seen, I don't see it being an issue for his voters. :lol: Yep free Donald with qnon writing their platform, winning. Look for those Free Donald logos , replacing MAGA on those red ball caps... Since when did reality matter to these stupid fucks?
 
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Fogdog

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Watch out for T2000, is what you do, the defective T1000 terminator didn't kill Uncle Sam, the improved model will, unless you strangle the fucker in the cradle of its creation. The next Donald will be smarter, but a lot more evil, he will know how to lead, have a plan and stick to it, America is easy prey for the right asshole. Donald only has an IQ of 78, if he had a brain much less a plan, he would be truly dangerous, none the less, if it wasn't for covid he would have had you enslaved and the chain would have just been locked around your necks.
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Brace yourselves. The next Donald Trump could be much worse

If Biden governs as an establishment Democrat, it won’t be long before the US elects another, far more effective Donald Trump

oe Biden has defeated Donald Trump. Millions across the country are applauding the downfall of a president who has been mendacious in his public communications, loathsome in his personal conduct, and utterly inept in his handling of a pandemic that has killed 230,000 Americans.

Amid the celebration, however, there should be nagging fear. Biden ran largely on the idea that he will be a return to the normalcy of the Obama years. But if he governs as a “normal” Democrat, it won’t be long before we have to deal with the next Donald Trump.

The real Trump buried himself in blunders and couldn’t deliver on campaign promises to voters. Instead of saving manufacturing jobs and protecting, as he pledged, “the jobs, wages and wellbeing of American workers before any other consideration”, the Trump administration eliminated paid overtime rules, created tax cuts for the rich and lost 740,000 manufacturing positions this year alone.

Yet a different Donald Trump might have handled the coronavirus pandemic competently and launched an ambitious infrastructure and jobs program capable of improving the lives of millions of people. Without actually challenging oligarchs and big business interests, this alternate-reality Trump might have been able to effectively marry economic populism with xenophobia, the same formula that has propelled rightwing authoritarians to power elsewhere in the world. A different Trump might have even managed to win over enough voters who typically vote for Democrats, including black and brown voters, to expand his base into one capable of winning the popular vote.
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I've been puzzling over what's next too.

I see little chance of Trump's followers changing heart and embracing social equality, much less social justice. Sure, we can put forth plans for expanding access to healthcare for all, work hard to beat the virus, bring the economy back after Trump's disastrous epidemic is snuffed out and so forth. But Democrats don't speak the same authoritarian, brash and pugnacious language that Republicans resonate with. With the 70 million people who voted for Trump their power in this country is still formidable but their numbers are declining. That, I believe is the weakness Democrats should exploit.

I think we have to outwork them at the grass roots level to beat them. The battle that is now emerging is taking place at the voter registrar's office and in getting people to vote by mail or turn out at the polls to vote in person. Stacy Abrams, in Georgia, with her program to register voters and overcome legal obstacles raised by the Georgia Republican administration is showing us the way. Her program is why Georgia may have just voted for a Democratic Party's candidate for prez for the first time in 28 years. Regardless of the outcome, her program is why the presidential election was a nail biter. Her program is why there is now a runoff election for two senatorial seats and why we have a chance at one or both of them. She lost the Georgia gubernatorial race in 2018 by a slim margin due to the then Republican governor's actions that disenfranchised hundreds of thousands of voters that year. She worked hard to put in place voter registration drives that were backed by volunteers who followed up with those voters to make sure they voted and a team of lawyers ready to challenge barriers to access when local Republican officials raised them. This could be a blueprint for how to win the next few elections against an increasingly antidemocratic Republican Party.
 
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DIY-HP-LED

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I've been puzzling over what's next too.

I see little chance of Trump's followers changing heart and embracing social equality, much less social justice. Sure, we can put forth plans for expanding access to healthcare for all, work hard to beat the virus, bring the economy back after Trump's disastrous epidemic is snuffed out and so forth. But Democrats don't speak the same authoritarian, brash and pugnacious language that Republicans resonate with. With the 70 million people who voted for Trump their power in this country is still formidable but their numbers are declining. That, I believe is the weakness Democrats should exploit.

I think we have to outwork them at the grass roots level to beat them. The battle that is now emerging is taking place at the voter registrar's office and in getting people to vote by mail or turn out at the polls to vote in person. Stacy Abrams, in Georgia, with her program to register voters and overcome legal obstacles raised by the Georgia Republican administration is showing us the way. Her program is why Georgia may have just voted for a Democratic Party's candidate for prez for the first time in 28 years. Regardless of the outcome, her program is why the presidential election was a nail biter. Her program is why there is now a runoff election for two senatorial seats and why we have a chance at one or both of them. She lost the Georgia gubernatorial race in 2018 by a slim margin due to the then Republican governor's actions that disenfranchised hundreds of thousands of voters that year. She worked hard to put in place voter registration drives that were backed by volunteers who followed up with those voters to make sure they voted and a team of lawyers ready to challenge barriers to access when local Republican officials raised them. This could be a blueprint for how to win the next few elections against an increasingly antidemocratic Republican Party.
It is the blue print for how you win the tactical battles, organize and work hard locally, all politics is local, you have to beat them at the polls. Fortunately Trump and covid will leave a wake of grass roots organizations that will make the astro turf tea party look like a joke. Generally speaking women are better at this social shit than men and millions have recently been motivated and inspired. Elections have consequences especially when you lose, you learn and what don't kill ya makes ya stronger. A whole generation of Americans now apprehend the danger their country is in if they don't vote, they have lived the horrific consequences and the democrats are about to become down right fanatical about democracy. Have you been considering bumping up your political participation? I sure as shit would!

Joe is focused on the big picture, the strategic battle, this is a war is about winning hearts and minds and Joe is the general. You win this war like you won the peace after the second world war, first calm every body down so clear heads can prevail, you can't talk to someone who is angry. Reduce social stress in the country as much as you can, Donald wanted to increase it as much as he could for a reason, it worked to his advantage. Study what you can do to cut off a significant source of their support etc.

The major advantage you have here Foggy is that a lot of smart well informed people have been looking for these answers and some have solutions. Many of these people are already on Joe's team and unlike Donald he will listen to them, this will be a team effort, Joe is not superman, but he will be a normal president and lead a team of accomplished experts. The pandemic play book has already been written and so has the one on how to chip away at the racist right enough to keep them out of power. Find that play book and if it makes sense to you, help to implement it, it will be a big job and lots of hands will be required.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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I've been puzzling over what's next too.

I see little chance of Trump's followers changing heart and embracing social equality, much less social justice. Sure, we can put forth plans for expanding access to healthcare for all, work hard to beat the virus, bring the economy back after Trump's disastrous epidemic is snuffed out and so forth. But Democrats don't speak the same authoritarian, brash and pugnacious language that Republicans resonate with. With the 70 million people who voted for Trump their power in this country is still formidable but their numbers are declining. That, I believe is the weakness Democrats should exploit.

I think we have to outwork them at the grass roots level to beat them. The battle that is now emerging is taking place at the voter registrar's office and in getting people to vote by mail or turn out at the polls to vote in person. Stacy Abrams, in Georgia, with her program to register voters and overcome legal obstacles raised by the Georgia Republican administration is showing us the way. Her program is why Georgia may have just voted for a Democratic Party's candidate for prez for the first time in 28 years. Regardless of the outcome, her program is why the presidential election was a nail biter. Her program is why there is now a runoff election for two senatorial seats and why we have a chance at one or both of them. She lost the Georgia gubernatorial race in 2018 by a slim margin due to the then Republican governor's actions that disenfranchised hundreds of thousands of voters that year. She worked hard to put in place voter registration drives that were backed by volunteers who followed up with those voters to make sure they voted and a team of lawyers ready to challenge barriers to access when local Republican officials raised them. This could be a blueprint for how to win the next few elections against an increasingly antidemocratic Republican Party.
Foggy it's no different with their religion, their conditioning over rides their supposed morals and ethics, they don't teach their children to behave like Donald, the hypocrisy and cognitive dissidence is readily apparent. Likewise with healthcare, clear majorities want some form of single payer or a continuation of the Hodge podge that is Obama care (best they could do at the time). The real problem with American healthcare is racism, it means forming a community with those they have been conditioned to hate and blame for their plight, those they fear to compete with, they want to "hide with in the protection of the tribe". Even though single payer healthcare would lift a yoke from their necks, the brown folks might get some and they will sacrifice like they are at war to prevent it.

It's why school quality and resources are district by district, housing prices are affected by schools and distorted, again the brown folks might get some. Schools are starved and social services cut to drive ignorant and stressed people to religion and into the arms of the right and the likes of Trump. The wealthy love the division that grid locks government and the only movement is to their advantage, tax cuts are the solution to all problems. In the 90'a and early 2000's they had a firm grip on both parties and there were racists in both parties, it was a golden time for them.

Now the country is polarized and the traditional compromise of pretending black people don't exist is over, liberal democrats (small d) and racist fascists (formerly conservatives) are the new social order. Donald and even covid have brought crystal clarity to the situation, the sun is shining brightly on the battle field and the situation can be clearly ascertained, I say good. This is how real meaningful social and political change happens Foggy, sometimes it ain't easy and some battles you lose. This war has the clarity of the second world war, it's real simple, good vs evil, the best kind of fight to be in Foggy. As John Louis said, "There's good trouble", and Lord knows the man wasn't afraid of trouble, or much else.
 

Fogdog

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Foggy it's no different with their religion, their conditioning over rides their supposed morals and ethics, they don't teach their children to behave like Donald, the hypocrisy and cognitive dissidence is readily apparent. Likewise with healthcare, clear majorities want some form of single payer or a continuation of the Hodge podge that is Obama care (best they could do at the time). The real problem with American healthcare is racism, it means forming a community with those they have been conditioned to hate and blame for their plight, those they fear to compete with, they want to "hide with in the protection of the tribe". Even though single payer healthcare would lift a yoke from their necks, the brown folks might get some and they will sacrifice like they are at war to prevent it.

It's why school quality and resources are district by district, housing prices are affected by schools and distorted, again the brown folks might get some. Schools are starved and social services cut to drive ignorant and stressed people to religion and into the arms of the right and the likes of Trump. The wealthy love the division that grid locks government and the only movement is to their advantage, tax cuts are the solution to all problems. In the 90'a and early 2000's they had a firm grip on both parties and there were racists in both parties, it was a golden time for them.

Now the country is polarized and the traditional compromise of pretending black people don't exist is over, liberal democrats (small d) and racist fascists (formerly conservatives) are the new social order. Donald and even covid have brought crystal clarity to the situation, the sun is shining brightly on the battle field and the situation can be clearly ascertained, I say good. This is how real meaningful social and political change happens Foggy, sometimes it ain't easy and some battles you lose. This war has the clarity of the second world war, it's real simple, good vs evil, the best kind of fight to be in Foggy. As John Louis said, "There's good trouble", and Lord knows the man wasn't afraid of trouble, or much else.
That's why I figure to not even try to talk things over. Go with our strength -- ascending numbers. Get them registered and follow up to make it easy for them to vote. Democrats are ready and energized for this. We own the future. Let's make it happen now.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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That's why I figure to not even try to talk things over. Go with our strength -- ascending numbers. Get them registered and follow up to make it easy for them to vote. Democrats are ready and energized for this. We own the future. Let's make it happen now.
Did ya ever wonder how women got the vote? There must have enough men with brains enough to know that women would save them from themselves as they have always done... :lol:
 

Budley Doright

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What to do now you ask???
It’s like you have a festering tumour that stubbornly won’t go away. What you need to do is throw everything at it right now. No pardons, no hoping it will go away in its own, it won’t. The tumour is in its last vestiges of survival and it knows it. It will fight hard to keep growing and infecting. The tumour is in its last stand and will do anything to infect the whole body ......... fight it now and fight it with every thing you’ve got or your fucked.
ya I smoked my morning spliff :(.
 
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