I disagree, by the time Joe takes office, provided the vaccine is deployed at the beginning of December, America could see fatalities drop off dramatically as the vulnerable are vaccinated first. School children can't be vaccinated so that will mean a lot less doses are required school staff and teachers can be vaccinated in August.
The model predicts daily deaths to peak in mid-January, with 2,200 per day.
More than likely, there will be a lot of deaths early in the year due to the virus. It's quite possible that the number of deaths in January - July of next year will exceed all of the deaths we had in this one. The vaccine is a wild card but I don't see it becoming widely available and enough vaccinated until summer. Could happen earlier but I think six months from now is more likely when the effects of the vaccine start to reduce spread of Covid. Even then, the logistics of rolling the vaccine out are staggering. I want people like amber, healthcare workers and police, first responders, firemen, those who work in essential jobs like food production to have access as soon as possible. I can wait a little while longer. It's going to be rough and we have to manage expectations as well or we'll lose people's confidence.
Fed will stop injecting trillions into the market and it will correct. Mnuchin has already said he's stopping any more financial help so that won't be good either. Joe is gonna have a lot of fires to put out
I heard a recognized expert on TV saying that school children can't be vaccinated, you have teens you mentioned, but I don't know the cut off age for vaccination, here are some numbers to consider from google. If the vaccination cut off age is 18 then 74 million fewer doses will be required, add to that the 10's of millions who will refuse and you might end up needing about 200 million double doses for everybody who wants it. About 3% of the population is immune the old fashioned way. At least the innocent will be protected, those who believe it's a hoax or flu, not so much.
in the United States is at an all-time high of 74.2 million. But, the percentage of the U.S. population who are under 18 is at an all time low of 24%.
We are looking at a horrific number of deaths this winter too and premiers are going into panic mode. With a month to deployment of a vaccine it is imperative to save as many as we can, there is no excuse whatsoever for herd immunity it is simply murder, especially since we have 10s millions of doses of the vaccine waiting for approval. I hope nobody at the FDA is taking the weekend off, it landed on their desk for approval today, ditto for health Canada too I believe.
To infinity and beyond
Totally agree. You should do the world a favor and off yourself.
Urgency depends on circumstances, if you are covid free in the land of Oz, then you can afford to wait and should, supplies are limited and it's a win win.
We are not Covid free.
Us too we have a finger in every pie including these latest two, 10 double doses for every citizen of these two and one of each of the other 8 best candidates. School children can't be immunized, but I suppose exceptions will be made for the vulnerable. We should have plenty to give away, I expect who ever has the most urgent need will get the rest, mostly poor countries or at least vulnerable people in them, Not all vaccines will be as effective as this one and some might even be useful here, but I expect almost 260 million doses of something of varying efficacy to be sent abroad as we full fill our contracts. I expect much will be given away and shipped directly to those countries next year.
There are standard scientific protocols that these vaccines followed, they were telescoped a bit because of the crises, but the rigor was high and up to standards. As far as safety goes, that is up to the regulators in America and here in Canada, if there was no scientific fraud, then the companies should not need to be concerned about liability, the government(s) approved it. Children are probably not being given it because of safety concerns, long term effects etc, those things don't matter as much to older people who are at high risk.
The long term and wide spread safety aspects are going to remain untested if we release the vaccines next year. If early testing indeed has produced a a "safe and effective" result, the pressure to release these vaccines will be enormous.
www.pri.org
Once these vaccines are deployed and people develop immunity there are many rapid advantages, health care workers might require minimum PPE and work becomes more efficient, less burdensome and stressful. Most importantly the poor bastards will have hope and an end in sight. Deployment to vulnerable people should cause the number of not just deaths to plummet, but serious hospitalization and ICU admissions for it. Other less serious cases can be attended to more closely preventing long term damage and antibody therapies will be plentiful too. Being immunized will greatly reduce stress and risk for these people and their families, they need a break and soon. by the time Joe is sworn in it should be well underway, unless Donald fucks it up and he's fucked up everything so far. Perhaps he will lurch for credit and confiscate the supply for America first, perhaps disrupting international supply chains and even fucking it up for Americans. I don't want that fuck anywhere near this and I'm worried about it.The long term and wide spread safety aspects are going to remain untested if we release the vaccines next year. If early testing indeed has produced a a "safe and effective" result, the pressure to release these vaccines will be enormous.
This from William Petri, Professor of Medicine at the University of Virginia
How and when will we know that a COVID-19 vaccine is safe and effective? - The World from PRX
Several vaccines are in Phase 3 trials. So at what point will we be certain that one or more can provide protection against the coronavirus?
Will Emergency Use Authorization fast-track vaccine?
In an emergency such as we are faced with the COVID-19 pandemic, with approximately 700 new deaths and 40,000 new cases per day right now (sept 25), the FDA is authorized to allow the use of unapproved products for the diagnosis, treatment and prevention of disease. That includes a vaccine.
The standard approval process for vaccines can require more than one year of observation after vaccination. If short-term safety is good and the vaccine works to prevent COVID-19, then the vaccine should be approved for use under an Emergency Use Authorization while it is still being studied.
Under Emergency Use Authorization, the FDA will continue to collect information from the companies producing the vaccines for benefit and harm, including surveillance of vaccine-associated enhanced respiratory disease or other potentially rare complications that might be observed in only one in a million.
In a nutshell, the public will be the test subjects for longer term testing.
Today, (Nov 11) the US are currently running at the rate of 1400 deaths per day due to this virus and by early Feb, it is projected to be about 2200 deaths per day. If the virus is indeed 90% effective, those become preventable deaths and from a societal point of view, if early tests show that the risk is a lot lower than that, then the vaccine makes sense to roll out. It now comes down to what an individual decides to do.
I don't have to make a decision right now, so I'm going to watch and wait to see what happens. I'm not in any group that will be offered the first doses either, so I really can't choose anyway. I want to be free of this thing. My family wants to be free of it too. We'll probably take the vaccine it becomes available to us but I want to have a look at the data before I do. By then a lot more data will be available.
But to your point, Pfizer and other companies that can show they have done due diligence in lab analysis and animal testing and have shown their vaccine to be safe and effective after early testing (phase three) will not be held liable if it turns out to be worse than expected.
Are you ok buddy? You go first im right behind you
What will you say when the vaccine dosen't work and Biden death toll is higher than trump's?
I have no faith that you'll come through, liar, but that's what your like does.
maybe Trump should of acted better in the first place eh?