This isn't over.

xtsho

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Biden was elected president when Perez was at the wheel. Perhaps one should recognize accomplishment when something important is accomplished?
The Presidential ticket has its own car. The DNC runs the House and Senate races. The House was a big fail. There may be some overlap but the main role of the DNC is to get people elected to Congress. 2018 was good but that was due to much pushback against trump. Perez isn't up to the task. Time for a change.
 

hanimmal

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The Presidential ticket has its own car. The DNC runs the House and Senate races. The House was a big fail. There may be some overlap but the main role of the DNC is to get people elected to Congress. 2018 was good but that was due to much pushback against trump. Perez isn't up to the task. Time for a change.
They lost what 7? seats in a still highly gerrymandered seats with 6 years of nonstop propaganda aimed at scaring people into being afraid of the Democratic party, picked up a senate seat, and have the possibility of picking up 2 more.

The last 5-6 months of nonstop suburban scare tactics of protesters coming to get them was a lot to overcome.

I love Abrams, and am cool with her taking over the DNC, it would be great to see what she could put together. But that doesn't mean that Perez failed IMO.
 

xtsho

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They lost what 5 seats in a still highly gerrymandered seats with 6 years of nonstop propaganda aimed at scaring people into being afraid of the Democratic party, picked up a senate seat, and have the possibility of picking up 2 more.

The last 5-6 months of nonstop suburban scare tactics of protesters coming to get them was a lot to overcome.

I love Abrams, and am cool with her taking over the DNC, it would be great to see what she could put together. But that doesn't mean that Perez failed IMO.
Failed is too strong of a word. Underperformed is what I meant.
 

hanimmal

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Failed is too strong of a word. Underperformed is what I meant.
I might agree more if Trump was not using everything in the executive branch (breaking the laws of our land the entire time) to try to win this last election. Im not sure what more people could expect.

States are too gerrymandered to expect Democrats to be able to win more seats than they did in 2018 (I may be wrong, but it is hard to see how anything more could be done until the cheating the Republicans have done is dealt with.
 

Bagginski

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Then red states/districts need to start to vote in Republicans that are not trolls. It sucks out of the last 50 years the Democrats have only had 6 years (2 in the first two years of each Democratic presidency) to actually get work done, and each time they were dealing with the impacts of Republican recessions.

It does suck that the only way Democrats have been able to get anything done (since the civil rights era) is to have to sweep in DC.
That brainwashing, remember? “Republicans who aren’t trolls” are *RINOS* these days, and they go under the bus *first*. Only useful idiots and those in on the con need apply.

And remember, James Jeffries switched parties *weeks* into Obama’s first term: Obama genuinely had NO time to do *anything* with his ‘majority’. Democrats have been playing politics, but GOP has been playing scorched-earth domination. There IS NO MIDDLE GROUND - they’re not playing the same game at all.
 

CunningCanuk

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i think this is in poor taste.

Why do you think so?

If it scares the shit out of one person enough to wear a mask, it could save lives.
 

hanimmal

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That brainwashing, remember? “Republicans who aren’t trolls” are *RINOS* these days, and they go under the bus *first*. Only useful idiots and those in on the con need apply.

And remember, James Jeffries switched parties *weeks* into Obama’s first term: Obama genuinely had NO time to do *anything* with his ‘majority’. Democrats have been playing politics, but GOP has been playing scorched-earth domination. There IS NO MIDDLE GROUND - they’re not playing the same game at all.
Im not sure which guy that was, all I can remember was the Specter switch, but did find this chart interesting:

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https://ballotpedia.org/State_legislators_who_have_switched_political_party_affiliation


Really looks like those last remnants of racism leaving behind the Democratic party.

3 federal elections in a row of Republican losses should hopefully be enough to cleanse them from the racist/evagelical nonsense and they can start to doing the work we all need from them. We need 100% of our elected leaders to be governing for 100% of our population.
 

Budley Doright

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Olbermann vs. Trump #31: To Heal America, Biden Must Prosecute Trump, Family, Enablers. All Of Them.

There are laws in this country and Trump broke nearly all of them.

I revere the President-Elect, but he is hinting at not prioritizing pursuing prosecutions against Trump, and his crime family, and his staffers. Obama did the same thing even after Bush inadvertently confessed to war crimes, and the message was clear to future Republican presidents (namely, Trump): If there are no consequences for illegal acts, they cease to BE illegal.

To ignore or slow-walk prosecutions is to say not just to the current White House miscreants that not only are you above the law, but if you or others wish to break the law later, you will be able to get away with it.

If we should have learned one thing from Trump it is that this not a nation of laws, it is a nation of traditions. Representative government in this country is not only not sacrosanct; it is full of self-destruct buttons that didn’t detonate – this time -- more thanks to luck than thanks to skill. As I have always believed and stated, the preservation of democracy is less the result of those of us who have fought and strived to protect it, and more the result of the stupidity and carelessness of the morons who wish to destroy it. In short, the next Donald Trump will not be nearly as stupid as this Donald Trump.

Democracy will emerge from this nightmare but will not emerge intact. The only thing a President with a small majority in the House, possibly a minority in the Senate, and a theocratic Supreme Court can do, is to protect democracy by keeping its enemies from hurting it further.

At minimum, put the fear back into the fascists.

So. Prosecute Trump. Prosecute Pence and the COVID-19 deniers. Prosecute Stephen Miller. Prosecute Pompeo. Prosecute Giuliani and Ellis and everybody else involved in the attempted coup. Because the only thing these people understand is fear, and they should live their lives in constant fear that if they ever try anything like this again, they will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Prosecute. Them. All.
I’m pretty high (gummies are amazing) but reading this post I wonder if you drape yourself in the American Flag every night while typing out your posts. ;). Which wouldn’t be wrong except well you know ...... your Canadian lol.
 

printer

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If we should have learned one thing from Trump it is that this not a nation of laws, it is a nation of traditions. Representative government in this country is not only not sacrosanct; it is full of self-destruct buttons that didn’t detonate – this time -- more thanks to luck than thanks to skill.

Prosecute. Them. All.
That is what Trump showed he did not care about traditions, he is a person with no limits. And because there was no law that he could not break traditions he trampled them into the ground.

The problem with procecuting them is that you will look as if you were doing a political lynching as far as the Republicans would be concered. If you don't prosecute and put some away they will be there to make life miserable in four years.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Im not sure which guy that was, all I can remember was the Specter switch, but did find this chart interesting:

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https://ballotpedia.org/State_legislators_who_have_switched_political_party_affiliation


Really looks like those last remnants of racism leaving behind the Democratic party.

3 federal elections in a row of Republican losses should hopefully be enough to cleanse them from the racist/evagelical nonsense and they can start to doing the work we all need from them. We need 100% of our elected leaders to be governing for 100% of our population.
It looks to me that the racist were concentrated in the republican party and cleansed from the democratic party in the years after Obama's election. Only in 2020 were they completely eliminated from the democratic side, they voted with their feet too, nobody forced them out as DINO's.

IMHO this polarization is not necessarily a bad thing, but a sign of a nation coming to terms with something, no one said it would be easily and risk free. You can compromise, but only so far and with honest people who have good intentions. Joe will try to sit above the fray to the extent he can, but he has to formulate and drive an agenda for a coalition of supporters.
 
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DIY-HP-LED

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I’m pretty high (gummies are amazing) but reading this post I wonder if you drape yourself in the American Flag every night while typing out your posts. ;). Which wouldn’t be wrong except well you know ...... your Canadian lol.
I drape my self in the flag of liberal democracy, one of the three ways I've have found to reduce suffering on a large scale is liberal democracy and the other two are science and Buddhism in that order. My thing involves our social/emotional world, what really drives people, the causes of this mess and the solutions, it's has global issues driving it across multiple nation states. Almost all the loony bullshit these folks are getting shoved at them is being shoved at Canadians too by their domestic disinformation network. Look at some of the fucking Canadian idiots we have spouting here.

Ya better fight em there or fight em here as they used to say. American democracy and everything decent about the place almost went down the fucking toilet and was saved by how many percent of the popular vote? In a decisive election with historic turn out and four years of Trump? I was hoping for repudiation and a landslide, what we got was very fucking dangerous in deed 47% of the voting population opted for fascism and tyranny under an obvious psychopathic moron who was openly violating the constitution and law. They could identify with a spoiled corrupt billionaire conman from New York who wouldn't give them the time of day.

So yeah the issue fascinates me for a variety of reasons, figuring out what the fuck is going on and curiosity are big factors too for this concerned, but contented Canadian. I also like to have fun here too Budley and I'm also big on humor, though not always successful at cheering folks up.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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That is what Trump showed he did not care about traditions, he is a person with no limits. And because there was no law that he could not break traditions he trampled them into the ground.

The problem with procecuting them is that you will look as if you were doing a political lynching as far as the Republicans would be concered. If you don't prosecute and put some away they will be there to make life miserable in four years.
Those were Obermann's word's not mine in the quote, but I agree with them. Judges hear cases based on evidence and so do juries, that's one of the reasons to use a system that is independent of the government at the time. One way around this is for Joe to appoint a former republican firebreather as AG, lots of good people to choose from. Another solution is to win the senate and appoint a special independent counsel, another former republican, again there are many qualified who want Barr and Trump's head on a pike. You cannot move forward without justice, there were individual victims as well as Uncle Sam in general.

Truth and reconciliation, but truth first, before reconciliation can begin, until then ya can't trust a thing the cocksuckers say. No justice, no peace, is a truism. They must first reconcile themselves to the truth, about Trump and about themselves and what they have done.
 

Fogdog

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The Presidential ticket has its own car. The DNC runs the House and Senate races. The House was a big fail. There may be some overlap but the main role of the DNC is to get people elected to Congress. 2018 was good but that was due to much pushback against trump. Perez isn't up to the task. Time for a change.
People get confused about what the DNC is or is supposed to do. From Wikipedia:

The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC, sometimes spoken of as "D triple-C" or "D-trip") is the Democratic Hill committee for the United States House of Representatives, working to elect Democrats to that body.[1] The DCCC recruits candidates, raises funds, and organizes races in districts that are expected to yield politically notable or close elections.

The Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee (DSCC) is the Democratic Hill committee for the United States Senate. It is the only organization solely dedicated to electing Democrats to the United States Senate.

The Democratic National Committee (DNC) is the governing body of the United States Democratic Party. The committee coordinates strategy to support Democratic Party candidates throughout the country for local, state, and national office. It organizes the Democratic National Convention held every four years to nominate a candidate for President of the United States and to formulate the party platform. While it provides support for party candidates, it does not have direct authority over elected officials.[3]

Its chair is elected by the committee. It conducts fundraising to support its activities.
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The DNC doesn't run any races. They don't run anything other than a set of offices that Democratic Party candidates have access to. They coordinate the branches of the party across the states. In the elections their role is to help get the Democratic Party's presidential candidate elected. Other than that, they are there to support candidates but they don't run their campaigns. I think that's a good thing too.

The Democratic Party is a coalition of very different groups, from Bernie's Socialist Democrats to labor unions, some of which represent coal miners and police officers. We kept the House. We took back the Presidency and we are very close to taking the Senate, though it's still a long shot that we do. So, I disagree with you about Perez. He did a good job this year. Not a super dee duper job, but good.

Our main problem going forward is that almost half of this country wanted Trump and his authoritarian government to rule. They voted for Republicans on the down tickets. The DNC isn't going to change their minds. I don't know what will, but it certainly won't be somebody who runs some offices and is not even an official in an elected office.
 
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Fogdog

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That brainwashing, remember? “Republicans who aren’t trolls” are *RINOS* these days, and they go under the bus *first*. Only useful idiots and those in on the con need apply.

And remember, James Jeffries switched parties *weeks* into Obama’s first term: Obama genuinely had NO time to do *anything* with his ‘majority’. Democrats have been playing politics, but GOP has been playing scorched-earth domination. There IS NO MIDDLE GROUND - they’re not playing the same game at all.
Yep, Obama had seven weeks with a filibuster-proof control of the House and Senate. Despite that, those first two years were historically productive for Congress.

While Republicans jammed the gears of government during most of the Obama years, Democrats blocked a lot of what Republicans wanted to do when they took control of the legislative and executive branches of government. As long as the filibuster remains in the rules of the Senate, this is what will happen when the people of the US can't agree on what they want for this country. Our government seizes up. I don't think that this gridlock is necessarily a bad thing. It's not good for the country either. But gridlock is better than having huge swings in governance depending on which party gains a simple majority in Congress. IMO, we have at least another 4 to 6 years of this kind of disunity ahead of us.
 
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