Autoflower : Is this a burn ?

[Boru420]

Cal/Mag Designed to protect the plant from possible Ca and Mg deficiencies. Can be used on low fertilized substrates and hydroponic systems.

All mix Most recognised soil in the industry Heavily pre-fertilized substrate mixture Sustains lush growth for weeks High EC value

im nearly sure biobizz cal/mag has a 3:1 ratio

 

[Bukvičák]

Wow, I must have missed this one. So a very helpful member gave you some advice to do what many do and you call it complete nonsense? A small piece of advice beyond what I said about your plant would be to try to be a bit more polite. If you don't like someone's advice just don't follow it. When you tell someone their opinion is complete nonsense you likely will find less people who are interested in helping you. Just a though, after all, it was you who asked for people's opinions.

My words

 

[Vdeoxis]

do you ph your water after you have added the nutrients

i have used all bio bizz from start to finish, never used cal mag because i never had an issue with cal/mag . but i noticed when i added nutes the ph shot down mainly. i only used 50% of the recommended amount,

Yes, always because adding nut change the ph so I add nute and then fix the pH.

You only use 50% of the amount ? you never put more than 0,5ml/L of grow and 2ml/L of bloom ? I also never had issue with calmag before but bought it in case i needed it. Do you use anything other than the grow/bloom and if so why ? Thank's !

 

[Vdeoxis]

My words

I have been polite with every member, but when someone come and tell something that is non sense, as i said : not my first grow especially with the biobizz line, that doesn't mean i'm an expert but OFC i know that i won't put full nute.

I put a lot of information and people like this guy come and just give a random piece of advice like it was my first grow or something. Reading his message again I think he didn't understand that the calmag overdose at 5ml/L was a one time accident, before that we gave her calmag at the recommend doses per the biobizz chart so 0,5ml/L - 1ml/L.

Furthermore the biobizz chart IS increasing week by week so he never used it to say that if you respect the amount recommended by the company you are in the wrong.

Everything he said on this thread is a pure fantasy about the biobizz line, of course i know that you don't go 100% on the nute and that's why biobizz has this chart, I also measure the EC of my grows to be extra careful.

So when you don't read a thread and just drop a random info that is something rude.

 

[Buddernugs]

Aaaaaasnd that’s why your having issues..... because you know everything and have more experience than people who’ve been growing longer than us been alive

 

[Boru420]

Yes, always because adding nut change the ph so I add nute and then fix the pH.

You only use 50% of the amount ? you never put more than 0,5ml/L of grow and 2ml/L of bloom ? I also never had issue with calmag before but bought it in case i needed it. Do you use anything other than the grow/bloom and if so why ? Thank's !

i use grow, bloom and heaven nutes, when i was in the hydro shop and spoke to the owner (hes a grower also), i asked for fish mix, top max and cal/mag, when i told him i was using all mix he said, you dont need calmag, you dont need fish mix if your using bio grow, you dont need top max if your using bio bloom, and you should be using bio heaven its the best. so i use 3 products, bio grow, bloom and heaven because the shop owner recommeded to do that way. he could have sold me more products but he didnt??? he also advised using only 50% of the recommended amount on the schedule and tbh i been given the "less is more" from every grower ive spoken too.

 

[Boru420]

now ive had my own problems with one of my plants because i was basically over watering. i had to transplant it into another pot with fresh all mix, i gave that plant just water for the next 2 weeks and it pulled through. now i cant tell you how to fix your cal/mag issue but the advice about spraying a foliator seems to be popular, i would look into that mate.

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[Vdeoxis]

Aaaaaasnd that’s why your having issues..... because you know everything and have more experience than people who’ve been growing longer than us been alive

I never said that, one guy came and said something stupid and now you are all coming to write your little sarcastic comment. If you had read the first page you would understand that i never intended to be snooty. I have always been polite and open to any new message posted here and I have been thankful to everyone who read my first post completely.

 

[Vdeoxis]

i use grow, bloom and heaven nutes, when i was in the hydro shop and spoke to the owner (hes a grower also), i asked for fish mix, top max and cal/mag, when i told him i was using all mix he said, you dont need calmag, you dont need fish mix if your using bio grow, you dont need top max if your using bio bloom, and you should be using bio heaven its the best. so i use 3 products, bio grow, bloom and heaven because the shop owner recommeded to do that way. he could have sold me more products but he didnt??? he also advised using only 50% of the recommended amount on the schedule and tbh i been given the "less is more" from every grower ive spoken too.

What you say is very interesting ! I've seen a lot of people on this forum say that the biobizz line is "weak" and to never flush but just cut in half the ratio of nutes. So you see advice from someone generally contradict advice from the next grower lol.
I think fish mix is useful in some scenarios like when you need to boost the nitrogen lvl in your plant something that the grow nutrient is a bit shy about in my opinion (looking at the NPK ratio).

He didn't give you any reasons as to why something is useless or something useful ? What's the purpose of bio heaven in the biobizz line ?
I also had a growshop in my town, the guy was a complete fool, saying autos were crap with little THC and low yield so I've learned to take anything someone said with a grain of salt.
I've grown about 30 plants in a one year time period on a few grows so i'm not an expert but i've never ever been close to burning a plant with the biobizz nutrients following the schedule because the schedule is normally on point with the EC (at least that's what i've seen when checking with the meter).

 

[Vdeoxis]

now ive had my own problems with one of my plants because i was basically over watering. i had to transplant it into another pot with fresh all mix, i gave that plant just water for the next 2 weeks and it pulled through. now i cant tell you how to fix your cal/mag issue but the advice about spraying a foliator seems to be popular, i would look into that mate.

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All mix is hot af lol when i transplant i always have to use water or else the leaves go into nitrogen toxicity haha sometime they go from bright green to dark green !

 

[Boru420]

there is an explanation for each nutrient below the schedules

 

[Vdeoxis]

there is an explanation for each nutrient below the schedules

Yeah i know this chart, it's marketing by the company what interest me is do you see bio heaven as something that useful ? Because I use rootjuice which I think has some kind of efficacy but I've seen a lot of people say that the biobizz line was for the most part not necessary (just like you growshop owner said, use just this and not this).

 

[Kassiopeija]

Heaven is amino acids & poly peptides. Chelate for Ca plus N source

 

[Boru420]

there are a few of these videos on Utube and i know theyre all sales pitches but do your homework then choose what you think is best bud.

 

[Vdeoxis]

I'll resume the calmag feed at the correct rate and see how it evolve from here.

Thank's for the answers man, i'll look into bio heaven

 

[Boru420]

i never used anything in my first week, from seed to seedling i used just rain water. i just popped another 5 seeds using rainwater in a spray, if anything i might add a bit of top max in the next grow but that would be it. the only advice i was given about these nutes was to shake the bottle, if the liquid at the top doesnt run clear quickly then the bottle has been sitting around for too long, dont buy it and bio heaven smells like liquified horse manure use it in a well ventilated area lol

 

[Bukvičák]

I have been polite with every member, but when someone come and tell something that is non sense, as i said : not my first grow especially with the biobizz line, that doesn't mean i'm an expert but OFC i know that i won't put full nute.

I put a lot of information and people like this guy come and just give a random piece of advice like it was my first grow or something. Reading his message again I think he didn't understand that the calmag overdose at 5ml/L was a one time accident, before that we gave her calmag at the recommend doses per the biobizz chart so 0,5ml/L - 1ml/L.

Furthermore the biobizz chart IS increasing week by week so he never used it to say that if you respect the amount recommended by the company you are in the wrong.

Everything he said on this thread is a pure fantasy about the biobizz line, of course i know that you don't go 100% on the nute and that's why biobizz has this chart, I also measure the EC of my grows to be extra careful.

So when you don't read a thread and just drop a random info that is something rude.

Actually you missed pretty hard. He belongs to the experienced ones and when I saw you are “biobizz experienced” it was enough for me. Good luck!

 

[Vdeoxis]

Actually you missed pretty hard. He belongs to the experienced ones and when I saw you are “biobizz experienced” it was enough for me. Good luck!

So he know biobizz, but he doesn't know that the chart given by the company is increasing slowly week by week.

You can argue that he made a point saying the nutrient line is overpowered and should be use at half of what the chart indicates but that is a point of view and absolutely not a fact. In fact people on this very forum have said on multiple threads that they thought biobizz were "underpowered" nutrients.

Yes I said that we were "experienced" with the biobizz nutrients because we had lots of successful grows and harvests over the past years, but I never ever said I knew everything about biobizz far from it and my answers on this thread speak for themselves.

But for making me seem like an asshole because i took what someone said on the internet with a grain of salt is also enough for me, I wish you a hapy grow.

 

[Kassiopeija]

And I guess what he wanted to hint at is to reduce feeding strength a bit - not just seen by the start but all numbers throughout the scheme. Full BB grow & bloom is like a PK booster feed and this can just lock out other minerals - esp. K vs Ca - which could lead to the symptomatic display visibly. Now that you're CalMag up and running, should put the pH into a more stable and hopefully less acidic region. Did you really had to use their citrate additionally to +4ml/l fert - which are both heavy acidic? How hard is your water then? If otherwise inaccessable "chalk" is dissolved by citric acid it makes it plant accessable by this. But the bonding isn't really stable and half of the effect will return after a day or 2. And these pH-fluctuations can have an influence on the way how certain minerals can be mobilised or assimilated by the plant...

The BB nute line is organic which implies it doesn't arrive at once at the plant as the compounds first need to be broken down by bacterias. BB nutes now are already ~30% pre-fermented, so that's why you can actually measure an EC - which doesn't show a true number (like in mineralic bottle feeds). But when we just grossly estimate and multiply that measured numbers we arrive at ECs of well over 2.5mS, and when the Ca source is questionable - but which is actually needed to accompany the NPK.

 

[Bukvičák]

So he know biobizz, but he doesn't know that the chart given by the company is increasing slowly week by week.

You can argue that he made a point saying the nutrient line is overpowered and should be use at half of what the chart indicates but that is a point of view and absolutely not a fact. In fact people on this very forum have said on multiple threads that they thought biobizz were "underpowered" nutrients.

Yes I said that we were "experienced" with the biobizz nutrients because we had lots of successful grows and harvests over the past years, but I never ever said I knew everything about biobizz far from it and my answers on this thread speak for themselves.

But for making me seem like an asshole because i took what someone said on the internet with a grain of salt is also enough for me, I wish you a hapy grow.

Look I do not want to argue with you, but it seems to me like you have already figured out everthing what is not the issue and want only confirmation and when somebody say something you do not accept than it does not make sense to you. To your soil experience... every soil is made by people, there are better batches which fit great but there can be also some worse ones for example with too much of something or with worse quality, sometimes wrongly mixed at all or already with pests. You do not know how long and where it was stored before and lot of other factors. Also every plant is different and have different needs. One plant can love the EC and other splif a shit out when ate it. You should feed the plant not the company’s pocket. Just let it go. GG