evergreengardener
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most breeders nowadays are chucking out f1 crosses
Question about fem seeds
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xtsho
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You're right. There are not many breeders taking the time it takes to get close to stabilizing a strain.
Star Dog
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I'm not sure what bearing that has on keeping seeds from a hermie?
BBQtoast
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F1 crosses won't be stable, it wasn't about Hermies but you saying stable genetics.
Star Dog
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Ffs is really that unusual that I wouldn't touch hermie seeds?
It costs me £50/60 per square ft per crop, before I put time money and effort into a grow I need to know what it is I'm growing.
There's no way I'm leaving it to chance again, when I grow the mother then I know to the best of my knowledge it good quality and its stable.
I'll never fuck around with seeds again in my life again if I can help it.
But I said originally each to there own
It costs me £50/60 per square ft per crop, before I put time money and effort into a grow I need to know what it is I'm growing.
There's no way I'm leaving it to chance again, when I grow the mother then I know to the best of my knowledge it good quality and its stable.
I'll never fuck around with seeds again in my life again if I can help it.
But I said originally each to there own
Aussieaceae
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Sorry, the guy's a legendary grower.So have many others. Nothing wrong with nanner pollen. It's a method used for making feminized seeds.
There is a difference between a true hermaphrodite that exhibits both male and female traits "pistils and balls" and a female plant that throws a few nanners. There has been plenty of information available for years and many growers using nanner pollen for making seeds.
Making feminized seeds using nanners isn't anything to laugh about. It was being done before many were even growing by people that have been growing and breeding since the early 70's. It's not the same as pollen from actual balls that form on a true hermaphrodite. Many people don't understand the difference. You can use the pollen from the random nanners that form late in flower on many strains of cannabis if you let them flower long enough to make feminized seeds that are no more prone to hermaphroditism than feminized seeds made with pollen from a female plant reversed with STS or CS.
Many have read the article by Soma before but for those that haven't I've quoted a couple sections and linked to a previous rollitup thread that has the entire article.
Feminizing Seeds. The Rodelization Method
Written By Soma
"I named this new method "Rodelization," after a friend who helped me realize and make use of this way of creating female seeds. After growing crop after crop of the same plants in the same conditions, I noticed that if I flowered the plants 10-14 days longer than usual, they would develop male "bananas." A male banana is a very slight male flower on a female marijuana plant that is formed because of stress. Usually they do not let out any pollen early enough to make seeds, but they sometimes do. They are a built-in safety factor so that in case of severe conditions, the plant can make sure the species is furthered.
To me, a male banana is quite a beautiful thing. It has the potential of making all female seeds. Many growers out there have male-banana phobia. They see one and have heart palpitations, they want to cut down the entire crop, or at the very least take tweezers and pluck the little yellow emergency devices out. I call them "emergency devices" because they emerge at times of stress."
"You can also use this pollen to make new female crosses by cross-pollinating."
Feminizing Seeds. The Rodelization Method
A few of my friends from these forums asked me about info about making Feminized seeds. I was going to use the Rodelization method. This was featured in the High Times magazine. So I was going to make a thread about that method, but I came across a online article of it. I figure it be best to...www.rollitup.org
Creating Feminized Seeds - Has Anyone Tried Rodelization?
Just wondering if this actually works or if anyone has tried it? I am posting the full article below and the link from where I found it. How to produce feminized marijuana seeds Creating feminized marijuana seeds is an art, there are a few different methods of application. I have written...www.rollitup.org
Soma's Sacred Seeds – Legendary Cannabis Seeds
somaseeds.nl
But this theory is so convoluted and inane, to the point it's non sensical.
And it's full of confirmation bias.
From the very beginning of the explanation, it's already assumed true.
Also where is all the relevant reference information?
No offense intended, when I say it really bugs me, that people post these kinds of articles. When the author isn't even around to defend themselves. Because the person who's making their argument hasn't got a clue.
If you really want, I can point out all the bias.
More than happy to.
I'll give relevant scientific information as well as reference if you please.
People need to quit using other people's opinions as evidence and acting like they're right.
Type Rhodelization into Google once. Just once. And try finding any science at all to support it.
For instance, did you stress test your hermi seeds?
Any rigorous testing?
What's the difference between anthers at week 5, or week 12?
evergreengardener
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So who’s seeds to you use? What breeder? What plants do you grow.Ffs is really that unusual that I wouldn't touch hermie seeds?
It costs me £50/60 per square ft per crop, before I put time money and effort into a grow I need to know what it is I'm growing.
There's no way I'm leaving it to chance again, when I grow the mother then I know to the best of my knowledge it good quality and its stable.
I'll never fuck around with seeds again in my life again if I can help it.
But I said originally each to there own
Star Dog
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That’s besides the point surely? I've grown them if they hermied I'd chuck them I certainly wouldn't proceed with clones or seeds from them.
BBQtoast
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Difference between week 5 anthers and week 12 - None, a load of speculation based on no evidence about genetics or breeding.
Every strains been stress tested, hard or impossible to find one that hasn't Hermies at some point in a new growers thread.
Soma just said what he found, it's easy for any grower to find the same if he looks.
Aussieaceae
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That's exactly right. It was a rhetorical question.
You contradicted yourself in saying that.
BroScience Bullshit - Post here
Mosquito Bits. They aren't legal for use by un-licensed persons in the UK I am afraid. I can get them shipped in, but they are stupid expensive. I can get Nematodes. Hydrogen Peroxide and Sticky traps usually fix them, the sticky traps control the adults and the Hydrogen Peroxide controls...
rollitup.org
References are in my post on that page. If you need any elaboration, then I'm happy to do so.
I can find more information too, if you like.
Happy to share.
evergreengardener
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i agree with you i toss anything that herms but late bananas in flower happen on some strains like chem strains, you said you only buy and grow stable genetics. so who do you buy from? because most big name breeders now give out f1 crosses and a f1 is as unstable as they come.
Star Dog
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Tried and tested would have been a better phrase, I know I can get a hermie anytime but the main issue is continuing using them, I just wouldn't.
BBQtoast
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I've only ever agreed with this, otherwise all these other genetic pathways would lead to a greater speciation and more identifiable patterns.
A quick tally of speculation sees seperate breeding traits
The Early Hermie
The Late Hermie
The True Hermie
The Recessive Hermie
The Resistant To Hermie
It's not a serious site, if you make up a good story it's easy to convince a lot of growers who don't know better. Soma said this back ???when??? Such an old conversation why does it even exist, I move the motion that any alternative talk on Hermie traits be deleted and the reason given as outdated information.
Aussieaceae
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And it denies any presence of true xx dioecious females.
BBQtoast
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Speculation allows alternative routes, it could be too hard to find but exist, it may only be the outcome of certain breeding patterns or environment cues we cannot understand and that are freak occurrences in nature and indoors or timescales of evolution.
A better terminology would satisfy the dedicated such as presently unobtainable or no know existence. There may be a day we print out the entire genetic structure and coding for what we are observing and see a solution or that one in twenty million is a xx dioecious or that a mutation exists which prohibits it's action.
I should just agree with you but someone higher up the chain could disagree on minor points.