Yields seem low

[greenthumb2988]

I forgot about the black dog, the ts1000 is a a good secondary i suppose

Okay cool - thanks for the help! Definitely appreciated! I'll update with results in the coming weeks.

 

[all coco]

What was the yield? How far away did you keep the light?

 

[kovidkough]

I use hps lamps and I don't know what the good leds are currently, the markets changes rapidly , I use my ts1000 for veg

 

[greenthumb2988]

What was the yield? How far away did you keep the light?

Yield was under an ounce - about 21 grams for a plant in a 3 gal pot. I kept the light about 18 inches above the plant. Most of the time I had it in flower, it was under just the one 315w CMH - thinking that and possible overwatering were the culprits here. Now I have a 600w BD LED in the flower room as well.

 

[kovidkough]

315w cmh is a beast 3 times stronger then the mars probably

 

[greenthumb2988]

I use hps lamps and I don't know what the good leds are currently, the markets changes rapidly , I use my ts1000 for veg

I had the ts1000 for my veg as well, and the plants seemed to really like it. That being said, they also weren't getting any roots developed which I'm not sure has to do with the light or overwatering. Wondering if it's a combination of both.

 

[greenthumb2988]

315w cmh is a beast 3 times stronger then the mars probably

Hmm so probably less to do with the light and more to do with the overwatering...?

 

[kovidkough]

https://www.globalgarden.co/knowledge/cmh-vs-led/amp/

interesting article cmh vrs led

 

[kovidkough]

Hmm so probably less to do with the light and more to do with the overwatering...?

many factors go into yield
I'd say a good yield is 1 gram dry per watt
that being said you can use that a benchmark for your lighting/ genetics / medium / feed

315cmh should be 315 dry grams at 1 gram per watt, aim for that

 

[greenthumb2988]

many factors go into yield
I'd say a good yield is 1 gram dry per watt
that being said you can use that a benchmark for your lighting/ genetics / medium / feed

315cmh should be 315 dry grams at 1 gram per watt, aim for that

Gotcha - thanks a lot for the education! I am definitely seeing nowhere near 315 dry grams right now haha. I'm going to start by letting the veg plants really dry out, then add some of this root booster in veg. I'm waiting on switching my lights over because I feel like the CMH bangs for flower and I want to keep that rolling.

 

[evergreengardener]

Hmm so probably less to do with the light and more to do with the overwatering...?

Yes if your roots aren’t filling out a 3 gal pot it is not a light issue it would be your overwatering if you already know your over watering. How often were you watering? And how much water? Also are you using fabric pots or plastic? It makes a difference when watering

 

[evergreengardener]

Gotcha - thanks a lot for the education! I am definitely seeing nowhere near 315 dry grams right now haha. I'm going to start by letting the veg plants really dry out, then add some of this root booster in veg. I'm waiting on switching my lights over because I feel like the CMH bangs for flower and I want to keep that rolling.

The Cmh will def do you better in flower than that Mars or blackdog and that’s a fact

 

[curious2garden]

So pone other thing that could be a piece of all this - I had gotten some fungus gnats in the room - working on IPM with them now (using glue strips and diatomaceous earth), but I'm wondering if they may have kept roots from growing and spreading as they should. I didn't have a swarm or anything going - probably a dozen or two in the whole room - but I've read that they eat roots and nutrients in the soil, so I'm wondering if such a small number of them could have done so much harm.

Also any recommendations for root boosters? I'm planning on adding some to this round to see if it helps.

Monterey Spinosad, 1 oz/gallon, use as a root drench. It's OMRI certified.

 

[greenthumb2988]

Yes if your roots aren’t filling out a 3 gal pot it is not a light issue it would be your overwatering if you already know your over watering. How often were you watering? And how much water? Also are you using fabric pots or plastic? It makes a difference when watering

Makes sense - I was watering every 3 or 4 days or so, and was watering probably 400-500ml per pot. 3 gal cloth "smart pots". My plan right now is to give the veg plants 6+ days to fully dry out, then watering probably 300ml per pot with root booster, then rinse and repeat.

 

[greenthumb2988]

The Cmh will def do you better in flower than that Mars or blackdog and that’s a fact

Heard on that - was quickly rebuffed on my thought to switch lights haha so that's off the table now.

 

[evergreengardener]

Makes sense - I was watering every 3 or 4 days or so, and was watering probably 400-500ml per pot. 3 gal cloth "smart pots". My plan right now is to give the veg plants 6+ days to fully dry out, then watering probably 300ml per pot with root booster, then rinse and repeat.

That’s not enough water. Make sure you uppot start your plants in small containers until the roots fill them then put into your 3 gal. When I run plants in 3 gal pots (hard plastic) I water a half gallon of water every 2-3 days that’s like 1800ml. Smart cloth pots dry out faster than plastic. Also when you water make sure to water slow so that your water is actually wetting your soil and not pouring right out the side of the fabric pots.

 

[evergreengardener]

Heard on that - was quickly rebuffed on my thought to switch lights haha so that's off the table now.

What kind of airflow and temps do you have? Your pots shouldn’t take that long to dry out with such small amounts of water

 

[greenthumb2988]

That’s not enough water. Make sure you uppot start your plants in small containers until the roots fill them then put into your 3 gal. When I run plants in 3 gal pots (hard plastic) I water a half gallon of water every 2-3 days that’s like 1800ml. Smart cloth pots dry out faster than plastic. Also when you water make sure to water slow so that your water is actually wetting your soil and not pouring right out the side of the fabric pots.

Hmm - maybe it's that I'm not giving enough time for roots to spread out into a pot before moving to the 3 gal? I am starting seeds in solo cups then transplanting straight to 3 gal pots - should I be going to 1 gals first? I have friends who go straight from seedlings into 3 gal pots, and aren't having root issues that I'm aware of, so I didn't think that was a problem.

Not a ton of airflow necessarily, but it's also not hot at all under the ts 1000, so I didn't think to need much if any.

Maybe I'm off on frequency, and I had been watering closer to every 3 days, but the 500ml or so per pot is accurate. I'm assuming that underwatering could lead to less dense roots as well.

 

[greenthumb2988]

That’s not enough water. Make sure you uppot start your plants in small containers until the roots fill them then put into your 3 gal. When I run plants in 3 gal pots (hard plastic) I water a half gallon of water every 2-3 days that’s like 1800ml. Smart cloth pots dry out faster than plastic. Also when you water make sure to water slow so that your water is actually wetting your soil and not pouring right out the side of the fabric pots.

I should probably be slowing down the watering - I don't see much coming out through the pot, but I do water pretty quickly, so it may be hurting it.

 

[calvin.m16]

315w CMH

You need more light for bigger yields and bigger buds. Everything else sounds spot on.

I wasn't satisfied with my harvests yields until I upgraded to 1000w Double Ended HPS.