These were mine on my first grow . I had no fucking clue what I was doing lol had these under 10.5w led flood lights . It was bag seed . Well power went out a month or so later lol best thing that ever could of happened lol I moved them out side where they got a shorter light schedule and with in a few days they began to flower . That was in early august and I put them in a napkin in June . I had to cut em early cause of the cold October weather and fighting pm , but either way they were very much small and weak and still produced . Up to you . Good luck