AP: Fraud claims aimed in part at keeping Trump base loyal.

DIY-HP-LED

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Some presidents in the past would have went after them for sedition, but this bunch is staying just inside the law, but they are bringing it into disrepute. Others like Trump have committed actual sedition and will continue to do so, Trump is already gonna die in a cell and he knows it. He also knows it won't make any difference at all to what happens to him no matter what else he does. Just going to prison as individual #1 is a life sentence for him, he'd be pretty well fucked when he got out, if he ever did. Donald has nothing to lose and most sociopaths have no sense of history, most don't care what others think of them, even while they are alive, only what they say about them or do to them counts. Donald doesn't care about his legacy no matter how many times CNN mentions it.

People are concerned about the right being radicalized by hate radio and cable TV wing nut outlets and rightly so. There is another larger group currently being "radicalized" by mainstream media, patriots, those who take the constitution seriously and who love their country. Since Trump and the republican party openly ran and acted against the constitution, rule of law and the founding ethos of the country, they made tens of millions of enemies. You and others here have been "radicalized" by the news you see, but your news represents the unspun facts and comes from many independent sources, some international, who follow professional standards and practices. This is not one of those both sides are the same things, right vs left, this one is about American patriots vs American fascism. Even if they are a majority, they are still traitors and cannot be otherwise as long as the US constitution exists.
 

hanimmal

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link to Washington Post story
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When Georgia state Rep. Bee Nguyen (D) reviewed a list of voters who President Trump’s campaign claimed cast illegal ballots in the state, three names caught her eye: two friends and a constituent.

For days, Nguyen pored over public records, spoke with voters by phone and even knocked on doors in person to vet the Trump list. She found that it included dozens of voters who were eligible to vote in Georgia — along with their full names and home addresses.

On Thursday, when a data analyst who compiled the list told a panel of state lawmakers that it proved thousands of voters cast ballots in Georgia who should not have, Nguyen was ready.

“I do want to share with you some of the things that I found that appeared to be incorrect to me,” the two-term lawmaker told Matt Braynard, whose research has been cited in numerous suits filed by Trump and his allies, several of which have been tossed out of the courts.

Nguyen’s 10-minute dissection of the data offered a rare real-time fact check of the unsubstantiated claims of widespread fraud that the president’s allies have promoted in state hearings around the country, largely before friendly Republican audiences.

“If you are going to take the names of voters in the state of Georgia and publish their first, middle and last name, their home address, and accuse them of committing a felony, at the very minimum there should have been an attempt to contact these voters,” she said in an interview after the hearing. “There was no such attempt.”

Braynard said in an email to The Washington Post that he “appreciated her feedback and look forward to getting her records that are questionable. I was happy to make a statement and happy to hear feedback and questions.”

The episode shows how quickly the allegations by Trump and his supporters have fallen apart under scrutiny, particularly in the courts, which have consistently rejected assertions that rampant irregularities tainted the vote.

Election results under attack: Here are the facts


Georgia Voting Systems Manager Gabriel Sterling expressed his frustration on Dec. 10 with conspiracy theories about the 2020 election. (The Washington Post)

Yet in Georgia and elsewhere, many state Republicans have given Trump a platform to air the claims, holding legislative hearings on election integrity that have largely been used to recycle conspiracy theories and unsubstantiated allegations.

The president’s lawyer, Rudolph W. Giuliani, appeared via video at the Georgia House’s investigative hearing into the election on Thursday, a day after being discharged from the hospital due to a coronavirus infection. During his testimony, Giuliani reiterated several claims that state election officials have repeatedly debunked since Election Day.

Giuliani called out several Black election workers in Fulton County, alleging that they were “passing around USB ports as if they were vials of heroin or cocaine.” He also referred to some election workers by name while questioning their actions — despite repeated pleas from state election officials to protect the safety of election workers.

The president’s legal team also questioned the security of the voting machines used in Georgia, repeating a widely debunked conspiracy theory.

At one point, as the lawyers played a video of an election official in Coffee County, Ga., Giuliani was heard saying off-camera: “This is really good stuff,” adding: “We should try to get this on Newsmax, on OAN,” referring to conservative media outlets.

House Governmental Affairs Committee Chairman Shaw Blackmon, a Republican, did not offer an opportunity for lawmakers to question Giuliani.

The forum was sharply criticized by officials with the secretary of state’s office, who have defended the integrity of the election and denounced efforts to undermine public faith in the outcome.

“Giving oxygen to this continued disinformation is leading to a continuing erosion of people’s belief in our elections and our processes,” Gabriel Sterling, Georgia’s voting information systems manager, said during a news conference Thursday afternoon.

Georgia certified its election results for the second time this week after a second recount of presidential ballots reaffirmed Joe Biden’s narrow victory in the state.

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But the legal challenges have not abated. The Republican National Committee filed a lawsuit Tuesday claiming that some poll watchers could not observe the vote counting as closely in person as it had hoped, and challenging the use of ballot drop boxes, which were installed at the direction of election officials in Georgia.

In another lawsuit filed in recent days, the Trump campaign and Georgia Republican Party Chairman David Shafer alleged systemic irregularities and requested that the court decertify the election and prevent the state’s electors from casting their votes for Biden when the electoral college meets on Monday.
Legal experts said the court challenges have little hope of success.

“It seems, in any event, to be much ado about nothing,” said John Powers, a Georgia analyst at the voting rights group Lawyers’ Committee for Civil Rights Under Law. “It’s not clear what the end game is here, but it’s never been clear to me that there is a discernible end game.”

The Trump campaign’s 1,585-page lawsuit relies heavily on data analysis by Braynard, who worked on the Trump campaign in 2016 and who has led an outside effort to analyze voter records and other databases in search of signs that ballots may have been cast illegally.

The federal government’s chief information security officer is helping an outside effort to hunt for alleged voter fraud

“When just combining my findings alone, the number of ballots that are strongly indicated as illegally cast surpasses the margin of victory in the presidential election, thus making it impossible to know who the deserved winner is in Georgia,” Braynard said during the hearing.

He provided lists of voters’ personal information to back up his claim that there were thousands of individuals who had voted but were registered in another state. He said the lists showed voters who used a post office address to mask their true residences and that others voted in two states.

During the hearing Thursday, Nguyen countered Braynard’s analysis with her own research, based on a sampling of the exhibits included in the lawsuit.

Of the first 10 names on the list that were allegedly out-of-state voters, Nguyen said she found eight who were longtime Georgia residents and property owners by using public records.

Dozens of voters who the campaign suggested used P.O. boxes to vote illegally were actually residents of a single condominium building that had a mail center on the first floor — including Republicans and Democrats, she said.

“I wanted to do the research because these are real-life people and we cannot just be alleging that they are committing voter fraud and that they are committing a felony and not do our due diligence,” Nguyen said later.

Nguyen, who in 2017 filled the state legislative seat vacated by Stacey Abrams when she ran for governor, said the voters she contacted said they were not aware that their names and addresses were made public in the lawsuit.

After she presented her findings during the hearing, Braynard thanked Nguyen for her research.

“I actually want to thank you for helping to raise issues to help better validate data,” he said. “It’s only with strong scrutiny that we’re able to be completely confident in our findings.”
 

DIY-HP-LED

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hanimmal
I can't reply to quoted text:

“If you are going to take the names of voters in the state of Georgia and publish their first, middle and last name, their home address, and accuse them of committing a felony, at the very minimum there should have been an attempt to contact these voters,” she said in an interview after the hearing. “There was no such attempt.”

Shouldn't these people be able to sue this person? He accused them of a felony and opened them up to domestic terrorism (that's what death threats are). In fact some lawyer should go through this clowns entire lists from multiple states and file lawsuits against him in each one. Did he testify to this under oath? Submit it as evidence? Why are these clowns walking the streets when black people are murdered at their front door by a cop with a sub sandwich in their hands? Donald Trump is a mass murder and he is still walking around a free moron and will continue to do so while "legal issues" of white privilege are settled. Imagine if average criminals got this kind of treatment with endless appeals and special consideration at every single step, the prisons would be empty.

Just applying the law equally will go a long fucking way to solving America's problems, but that would mean passing laws not shot through full of loopholes made just for the privileged. Federalist judges who follow the letter of the law and not justice are part of the problem too, it makes it easier to game the system, provided you have the legal talent and follow their advice. They remove judgment from the system and turn the law into an easily gamed algorithm, you see the results daily measured in injustice and now sedition and treason.

It's not their opposition to abortion or support of guns that really gets them the job, they have to be the right kind of judge for the wealthy and corporations who pay the republicans for the laws. Mitch want's tort reform and tied it to food for starving Americans and support for states, the base are too stupid to know it will fuck them and don't care if it did. They have other priorities that are above their country and constitution, even above their personal safety and the welfare of their families. Folks call them a suicide cult for a reason, because they are, but they also want you to go along for the ride too.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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I wonder if Joe Biden can pardon Hunter on day one :hug:
He won't have too and he would let him do his time and maybe commute a sentence when he leaves, if he figured it was improperly imposed. If I was Hunter I wouldn't depend on a pardon from his dad and I wouldn't accept one if he offered it, I'd do the time. It doesn't matter what they do, it's what you do that counts, cause you're the one who has to live with it and answer for it.

Trump's base would cheer Hunter in prison and Trump's kids pardons, cause they are just those kinds of people, scum. They can filter out reality pretty effectively, Trump could murder someone on 5 th Ave and not lose any support remember? He told you that on TV years ago and it is more true today than ever. Isn't he trying to murder Uncle Sam, or are my eyes and ears deceiving me?
 

hanimmal

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hanimmal
I can't reply to quoted text:

“If you are going to take the names of voters in the state of Georgia and publish their first, middle and last name, their home address, and accuse them of committing a felony, at the very minimum there should have been an attempt to contact these voters,” she said in an interview after the hearing. “There was no such attempt.”

Shouldn't these people be able to sue this person? He accused them of a felony and opened them up to domestic terrorism (that's what death threats are). In fact some lawyer should go through this clowns entire lists from multiple states and file lawsuits against him in each one. Did he testify to this under oath? Submit it as evidence? Why are these clowns walking the streets when black people are murdered at their front door by a cop with a sub sandwich in their hands? Donald Trump is a mass murder and he is still walking around a free moron and will continue to do so while "legal issues" of white privilege are settled. Imagine if average criminals got this kind of treatment with endless appeals and special consideration at every single step, the prisons would be empty.

Just applying the law equally will go a long fucking way to solving America's problems, but that would mean passing laws not shot through full of loopholes made just for the privileged. Federalist judges who follow the letter of the law and not justice are part of the problem too, it makes it easier to game the system, provided you have the legal talent and follow their advice. They remove judgment from the system and turn the law into an easily gamed algorithm, you see the results daily measured in injustice and now sedition and treason.

It's not their opposition to abortion or support of guns that really gets them the job, they have to be the right kind of judge for the wealthy and corporations who pay the republicans for the laws. Mitch want's tort reform and tied it to food for starving Americans and support for states, the base are too stupid to know it will fuck them and don't care if it did. They have other priorities that are above their country and constitution, even above their personal safety and the welfare of their families. Folks call them a suicide cult for a reason, because they are, but they also want you to go along for the ride too.
Im not a lawyer so am unsure what they could do about it, but I am guessing if they can, there will be plenty of lawyers calling them to try to get some lawsuits rolling against Trump's legal trolls.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Glenn Kirschner: I'll believe them when I see them.

MSNBC legal analyst and YouTube host, Glenn Kirschner, goes over over Trump’s continuing failures in court, all the way up to SCOTUS.
 

hanimmal

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Good lord, every string pulled on these idiots lead to a conman.

From that story you get the cult this nut belonged to:
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Looking up their cult's website:
So I check out the president of this cult:
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Former Harris County Republican Party Chairman Jared Woodfill is being investigated on theft and money laundering allegations, accused of misappropriating funds of at least two of his law firm’s clients, according to an affidavit by the Harris County District Attorney’s office.

Authorities on Monday seized 127 boxes of files, six computers and disk drives from the Houston high-rise office of the Woodfill Law Firm at Three Riverway, according to the returned search warrant filed in Harris County district court on Tuesday.

In his affidavit for the search warrant, which also targeted computer logins, passwords, memory devices, and telephones owned by Woodfill or the law firm, fraud examiner Bryan Vaclavik indicated authorities were seeking evidence used to commit felony offenses of misapplication of fiduciary property, theft and money laundering.

No charges have been filed against anyone in connection with the ongoing investigation. The Harris County District Attorney’s office declined comment on the investigation.

Investigators seized financial records, legal files, documents and correspondence on Monday related to two divorce cases handled by the firm, the search warrant documents show.

The ongoing investigation has nothing to do with Woodfill’s party activities, his attorney Jimmy Ardoin told the Houston Chronicle Tuesday.

Woodfill was chairman of the county Republican Party for 12 years, before losing the post in 2014.

Ardoin said his client had no advance notice of the search and had no details about the allegations beyond the content of the search warrant.

Ardoin said he had been in contact with the district attorney’s office about its review of finances in a divorce case for three to four months and was dismayed that Woodfill was not allowed to provide information voluntarily.

“We believe there’s an accusation of misappropriation of client funds,” Ardoin said. “We have yet to get confirmation of what it is.”

The search warrant indicates the district attorney’s investigation began in February 2017, after Woodfill’s former client, Amy Holsworth Castillo, alleged that Woodfill’s firm misused funds from her divorce case. Castillo filed for divorce from her husband Juan Castillo in 2012 and hired Woodfill in December 2013, court records show.

Juan Castillo later had the divorce case moved to bankruptcy court in Texas’ Southern District in part, he claimed, because of excessive legal fees. Woodfill’s firm filed a motion accusing Juan Castillo of filing his bankruptcy case to skirt payments to his estranged wife, federal court records show.

At one point, Amy Holsworth Castillo’s trust account had less than $650 in it, according to a fact-finding ruling in 2016, in which U.S. Bankruptcy Court Judge Jeff Bohm outlined a year’s worth of transactions and “discrepancies” between bank statements and ledgers for the trust. Based on those records, Bohm concluded that Woodfill’s firm had “taken funds from the (trust) account that have not yet been earned and, thus, several thousands of dollars have been unaccounted for.”

He put the amount of unaccounted funds or overpayments to Woodfill’s firm at more than $140,000.

Woodfill’s firm disputed the findings and planned to appeal Bohm’s finding, court records show.

Both Castillos later filed separate complaints against Woodfill with the State Bar of Texas. In September, the bar publicly reprimanded Woodfill and ordered him to pay $3,490 in attorneys’ fees and direct expenses.

“Woodfill had direct supervisory authority over members of his firm who violated the disciplinary rules during the representation in a divorce,” the State Bar of Texas wrote, “and Woodfill failed to take reasonable action.”

The district attorney’s office also cited a second complaint in the search warrant involving Woodfill’s representation of a woman named Teresa Ribelin Cook, who hired the law firm in June 2013 to represent her in a divorce. The search warrant alleges Woodfill “had used more than $45,000 of Ribelin Cook’s retainer for purposes not related to her case.”

The warrant also cites an interview with a man identified as Woodfill’s controller, Kenneth Kennedy, who is quoted claiming that Woodfill often moved money around between client accounts and his own bank accounts.

Richard Orlando Rodriguez, whose ex-wife also used Woodfill as her divorce attorney, has separately accused Woodfill of taking at least $300,000 from a trust account in a divorce case, according to a March 2017 complaint he filed with the Houston Police Department. That complaint is not mentioned in the search warrant.
If at first you don't succeed, start a cult?

And his doctor buddy?
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hanimmal

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They had 1 audit. The gop was still not allowed to witness. They are still breaking their own laws. Its cool. Same shit is happening in every swing state. If i was a judge i wouldnt touch it either..get suicided by the left. But orange man is showing the corruption on every level. Pence cannot by law allow electoral votes in states that didnt abide by the laws. Sorry. You lose
Nope, they did 2 recounts, and one was by hand.

Shit there was reporters that actually went to the homes of people on Trump's bullshit list and found the people that Trump tried to convince his cult didn't vote.

And if you are once again buying Trump's lies to his cult, it must suck to live in the fantasy land that Trump's militarized trolls have designed for you.

Im still waiting for you to act like a real person and not a paid Trump troll, but I am not holding my breath or anything.
 

SaltyCracker

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Nope, they did 2 recounts, and one was by hand.

Shit there was reporters that actually went to the homes of people on Trump's bullshit list and found the people that Trump tried to convince his cult didn't vote.

And if you are once again buying Trump's lies to his cult, it must suck to live in the fantasy land that Trump's militarized trolls have designed for you.

Im still waiting for you to act like a real person and not a paid Trump troll, but I am not holding my breath or anything.
Atrium county is in. Trump won it.
 

schuylaar

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Oh no..its not settled at all. Look at the vote flip . The maths shows. But its ok right..didnt happen anywhere else..nothing to see..move along.
it was explained in quite graphic detail how and why the numbers were going to be as they were..in person vote will tally first then mail-in since they have to be hand counted.

some archaic states are not allowed to start counting until 11/3. someone already told you some states can count early due to their lawmakers agreeing it makes sense to count early so you have the answer on 11/3; some states don't..do you have any issue with Colorado who started their count on 10/19 ( i saw you referenced this) and finished 11/3 or is it with those states who refuse to devise a way to make certain their count is in on 11/3?
 
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