Genetics question

[Jimbo the Gael]

I dont believe there is a way to breed resistance to HLV.

Breed resistant phenos to other resistant phenos. Kind of like how about 20% of the population of Northern Europe have resistance, or are immune to viruses that infect their hosts by a similar mechanism as the plague. It's all down to a mutation that was in a very small segment of the population, which was suddenly beneficial from an evolutionary standpoint.
There is some speculation that it might play a role in how some people seem to be resistant or immune to covid.

 

[xtsho]

Yep clone it. People are naming cuts now and having their genome sequenced. A "strain" in the future will be a cut, nothing from seed.

Cloning is really easy. You can also re-veg plants if its too late.

Seeds are not going away in our lifetime.

 

[bigunyun]

Every pollen is sacred. Every pollen is different. Every ovum is different.

Then every seed planted is playin the lottery

 

[JoeBlow5823]

Breed resistant phenos to other resistant phenos. Kind of like how about 20% of the population of Northern Europe have resistance, or are immune to viruses that infect their hosts by a similar mechanism as the plague. It's all down to a mutation that was in a very small segment of the population, which was suddenly beneficial from an evolutionary standpoint.
There is some speculation that it might play a role in how some people seem to be resistant or immune to covid.

I get that but like... noone is immune to HIV. Its some crazy shit.

 

[pulpoinspace]

Seeds are not going away in our lifetime.

oh I agree. Seeds are also more fun. From S1s you could get something even better Than the original. Just with the way people love brands and knowing what they’re buying I just think Specific cuts are gonna be big.

 

[Jimbo the Gael]

I get that but like... noone is immune to HIV. Its some crazy shit.

Not true. In fact one of the people who was "cured" got a bone marrow transplant from a guy who was immune.
If I remember correctly it was because of the mutation I just mentioned.
You should google it.

 

[JoeBlow5823]

Not true. In fact one of the people who was "cured" got a bone marrow transplant from a guy who was immune.
If I remember correctly it was because of the mutation I just mentioned.
You should google it.

Very interesting I will actually probably do some research on that.

 

[bigunyun]

So then if someone orders some feminized seeds.... they are from a single female that pollinated herself? But each of those seeds is different, like kids from their mother...

 

[Jimbo the Gael]

So then if someone orders some feminized seeds.... they are from a single female that pollinated herself? But each of those seeds is different, like kids from their mother...

Depends how many recessive genes that aren't expressed the plant has. It's more like if you took two eggs from the mother, and used the genetic material from one to fertilize the other.
They'll be more similar to the mother, but not exactly the same.
Cannabis has far fewer genes than humans, so there's not as much variance. However if the plant is expressing recessive traits those will definitely be carried through to the offspring of a self pollination.

 

[pulpoinspace]

So then if someone orders some feminized seeds.... they are from a single female that pollinated herself? But each of those seeds is different, like kids from their mother...

There are designations. S1 seeds would be from a plant that pollinated herself. F1 would be the first generation of a cross between two plants.

Properly made S1 seeds are great (meaning the plant was forced to hermie not that it did so under natural conditions). But like Jimbo said there can still be recessive genes in the plant. So there will still be genetic variation. If the plant hermied by itself under natural conditions that will be a genetic trait in the seeds. If using a chemical process like colloidal silver to produce male parts on a female plant, then all the seeds would be feminized, hermie traits won't be passed on, and you'll have stable S1 seeds. Do the same with two stable female plants of different strains (spray one with colloidal silver) and then you get stable feminized F1s.

Every seed you buy on the internet ideally should be S1 or F1 but its not. Lots of people just chucking pollen and selling seeds as whatever they are and saying they're something else.

 

[bigunyun]

Depends how many recessive genes that aren't expressed the plant has. It's more like if you took two eggs from the mother, and used the genetic material from one to fertilize the other.
They'll be more similar to the mother, but not exactly the same.
Cannabis has far fewer genes than humans, so there's not as much variance. However if the plant is expressing recessive traits those will definitely be carried through to the offspring of a self pollination.

That’s a great explanation thanks!

 

[bigunyun]

There are designations. S1 seeds would be from a plant that pollinated herself. F1 would be the first generation of a cross between two plants.

Properly made S1 seeds are great (meaning the plant was forced to hermie not that it did so under natural conditions). But like Jimbo said there can still be recessive genes in the plant. So there will still be genetic variation. If the plant hermied by itself under natural conditions that will be a genetic trait in the seeds. If using a chemical process like colloidal silver to produce male parts on a female plant, then all the seeds would be feminized, hermie traits won't be passed on, and you'll have stable S1 seeds. Do the same with two stable female plants of different strains (spray one with colloidal silver) and then you get stable feminized F1s.

Every seed you buy on the internet ideally should be S1 or F1 but its not. Lots of people just chucking pollen and selling seeds as whatever they are and saying they're something else.

Wow thanks. So much great info.

 

[BBQtoast]

If using a chemical process like colloidal silver to produce male parts on a female plant, then all the seeds would be feminized, hermie traits won't be passed on, and you'll have stable S1 seeds.

That's not true and a very rundown version of genetics. There are no Herm stable strains and it's been discussed before, saying it doesn't make it true.

 

[pulpoinspace]

That's not true and a very rundown version of genetics. There are no Herm stable strains and it's been discussed before, saying it doesn't make it true.

like Jimbo said there can still be recessive genes in the plant. So there will still be genetic variation.

I think you misunderstood. My point is that seeds from a plant that hermies under normal conditions will be less stable than those from a plant that has never hermied after being tried and tested and only produces male parts after being chemically treated.

Or, that the colloidal silver will not cause the plants to pass on any additional hermie traits, if you prefer.

 

[Jimbo the Gael]

That's not true and a very rundown version of genetics. There are no Herm stable strains and it's been discussed before, saying it doesn't make it true.

There's already another thread that has become almost unreadable due to an argument over this. Let's not do that here, okay?

 

[BBQtoast]

I think you misunderstood. My point is that seeds from a plant that hermies under normal conditions will be less stable than those from a plant that has never hermied after being tried and tested and only produces male parts after being chemically treated.

Or, that the colloidal silver will not cause the plants to pass on any additional hermie traits, if you prefer.

Again, less stable and Hermie traits.

Your point is and always will be dead wrong. Growers who have passed your level are not going to accept it or your view on genetic traits and breeding.

 

[BBQtoast]

There's already another thread that has become almost unreadable due to an argument over this. Let's not do that here, okay?

Because it's cool to write genetic nonsense then blame breeders and banks for not stabilizing your seeds against Herms?

I'll just call my breeder ask for his Herm stable range, maybe it's secret since they never advertised one ever before.

 

[twentyeight.threefive]

Because it's cool to write genetic nonsense then blame breeders and banks for not stabilizing your seeds against Herms?

I'll just call my breeder ask for his Herm stable range, maybe it's secret since they never advertised one ever before.

You seem angry. That is not the middle road.

 

[Jimbo the Gael]

Because it's cool to write genetic nonsense then blame breeders and banks for not stabilizing your seeds against Herms?

I'll just call my breeder ask for his Herm stable range, maybe it's secret since they never advertised one ever before.

When you show the research that backs up what you say, or someone else shows research that indicates you are wrong, then there will be a point to this. Other people can just as easily accuse you of "writing genetic nonsense" because, as of yet, there is no proof either way.

All you're going to do is state your opinion, and others will do the same. If you can't handle that this probably isn't the forum for you.

 

[BBQtoast]

When you show the research that backs up what you say, or someone else shows research that indicates you are wrong, then there will be a point to this. Other people can just as easily accuse you of "writing genetic nonsense" because, as of yet, there is no proof either way.

All you're going to do is state your opinion, and others will do the same. If you can't handle that this probably isn't the forum for you.

You clearly have never had a situation that requires intelligence and you certainly haven't learnt genetics to understand what your saying or think yourself adept in a conversation about it.

If you were right we would see as we do with EVERY breedable trait a pattern we could use to produce a new line of seeds.

You have nothing but words, I have every breeding from fifty years showing it's not a breedable trait. Ignore that at your own stupidity.