Best LED comparable to 1000W HPS

[BBQtoast]

HLG 600 Rspec®

High Efficiency Commercial Indoor Horticulture LED grow light designed to replace a 1000watt HID with just 490 Watts. 1522 PPF @ 2.55 PPF/W. Full-spectrum. Reliable passive-cooled design. Powered by Samsung LM301H LED and Deep Red LED 660nm

horticulturelightinggroup.com

Here's the 600 respec, 600w 1522ppf, says it's the equivalent of a 1000w 1900ppf HP's.

 

[UpstateRecGrower]

Here's more light data - Hlg

HLG 650R

High Efficiency Commercial Indoor Horticulture LED grow light designed to replace a double-ended 1000watt HID with just 6100 Watts. 1700 PPF @ 2.8PPF/W. Full-spectrum. LED Module made by Samsung. Powered by Samsung LM301H LED and Deep Red LED 660nm

horticulturelightinggroup.com

Says their 650R replaces a 1000w De, only 1770 um at 630w.

Now if that's not twisting the figures. More close to the gavita 1700e which doesn't try to say it's a 1000w de replacement.

Hlg come across like liars here.

Yes a 1000w de hps is 2100 umol, but after it bounces off of the reflector it isnt..

 

[BBQtoast]

Yes a 1000w de hps is 2100 umol, but after it bounces off of the reflector it isnt..

I assume that 2100 was with reflector, without would be a lot less as fewer photons would travel down.

I did Google the unit not the bulb, figures agreed with habits.

Am I missing something?

 

[UpstateRecGrower]

I assume that 2100 was with reflector, without would be a lot less as fewer photons would travel down.

I did Google the unit not the bulb, figures agreed with habits.

Am I missing something?

They measure the bulb in a sphere

 

[OneHitDone]

Being all for saving power I worked it out like this
60% saving over HPS
60% of 600 = 320 leaving 280
2 x 140 watt panels = 600 hps
my area is 8 foot by 4 foot with 4 x 140 watt panels
Yes and more than happy with them, having a mare getting stretch lights are 3 foot of the canopy

Depth of penetration apparently it is far greater with LED than HPS. dont be decieved cos you cannot feel it.
we are using electro magnetic energy waves its not light anymore to me.

560w on a 4x8??

 

[BBQtoast]

They measure the bulb in a sphere

Can we copy and paste a 5x5 tent ppfd floor plan with each light at three feet and look at that too. If the Hlg 650 was more light each square foot should add up to more than the 1000w De. A lot of LEDs don't have the tent walls, a true test should have the walls for reflectance as HP's throws quite wide.

 

[harrythehat]

560w on a 4x8??

Yes I know doesn't sound a lot, but there are reasons behind it. previously have been using 2 x 600 HPS and not been able to reach optimum yield
on the area with my equipment so i opted to drop to 4 x 140 panels adapted them to cover the area by takin them apart and adding a bit of width with some alloy angle have a nice even coverage and 3 foot off the canopy with little stretch, there are 37 plants should be 40 but 3 pegged it.
Oh F£$k yes I fly against the wind. WHY because my equipment contains abiotic stress elicitors I.E. Static electricity or if you are a soil person Living soil is your nearest equivalent and the bitchin thing is LED is jus makin it so much better. you can watch the melee as it happens in grow journals under winter solstice flip. Lollipopped them 5 days before flip trying to promote some stretch can see that in the light pic.
Enjoy as much as i will. have a good one

 

[BBQtoast]

I fact I've just looked at some figures and threads here's where I'm at so far -

Hlg, they overstretched the capabilities of both 650 and other lights, these lies got a little out of hand by over enthusiastic growers.

Wankers! No wonder ze Germans aren't going with hlg claims. Unfriend Hlg, friend request Gavita sent.

 

[Trickyticky]

What are your thoughts on the recent flow of breakdance crews popping up?

Breakdance will never be as good as it was in the 80's .
Crazy legs

 

[hillbill]

I just set up for my new cycle. 400watts of CMH on an old school mag ballast, plus 200watts of LED (4 QB96's @ 50w each) in a 4x4.

Deal with it haters.

Got a 250w Philips Retrofit 4000k CMH at the finishing end of of my grow! Netting on vent that end of tent looks like Stren line under black lights. Vent netting on the other end is almost invisible. Visual UV evidence, also making top rims of containers brittle, couple have cracked. Also keeps container mix warmer. Transpiration has increased also. Everything is gooey as hell.
I run 200 to 400 watts of white LEDs in ther also and they do slap the shit out of HPS on a watt for watt basis, with superior spectrum. HPS has no UV.

 

[DarkWeb]

Yes I know doesn't sound a lot, but there are reasons behind it. previously have been using 2 x 600 HPS and not been able to reach optimum yield
on the area with my equipment so i opted to drop to 4 x 140 panels adapted them to cover the area by takin them apart and adding a bit of width with some alloy angle have a nice even coverage and 3 foot off the canopy with little stretch, there are 37 plants should be 40 but 3 pegged it.
Oh F£$k yes I fly against the wind. WHY because my equipment contains abiotic stress elicitors I.E. Static electricity or if you are a soil person Living soil is your nearest equivalent and the bitchin thing is LED is jus makin it so much better. you can watch the melee as it happens in grow journals under winter solstice flip. Lollipopped them 5 days before flip trying to promote some stretch can see that in the light pic.
Enjoy as much as i will. have a good oneView attachment 4776591View attachment 4776589

Why didn't you just put in a light mover?

 

[harrythehat]

Why didn't you just put in a light mover?

Hmmmmm Yes it is something that could be experimented with maybe next time

 

[Fevs.]

I'm bi-lightxual... I still can't work out which way I swing more to...

My Lemon Skunks under led...



Or my Williams Wonder under 2 250w hps...



Or my 3 Gavita 750 de 4ftx4ft tents with cream mandarin, tangerine dream and cheese..?





You see what I mean? They are both pretty good to be fair...

Maybe some just swing one way, some swing another...

 

[bk78]

Being all for saving power I worked it out like this
60% saving over HPS
60% of 600 = 320 leaving 280
2 x 140 watt panels = 600 hps
my area is 8 foot by 4 foot with 4 x 140 watt panels
Yes and more than happy with them, having a mare getting stretch lights are 3 foot of the canopy

Depth of penetration apparently it is far greater with LED than HPS. dont be decieved cos you cannot feel it.
we are using electro magnetic energy waves its not light anymore to me.

Enjoy your larf, you’ll need double what you think you’ll need for nice buds

 

[bk78]

Yes I know doesn't sound a lot, but there are reasons behind it. previously have been using 2 x 600 HPS and not been able to reach optimum yield
on the area with my equipment so i opted to drop to 4 x 140 panels adapted them to cover the area by takin them apart and adding a bit of width with some alloy angle have a nice even coverage and 3 foot off the canopy with little stretch, there are 37 plants should be 40 but 3 pegged it.
Oh F£$k yes I fly against the wind. WHY because my equipment contains abiotic stress elicitors I.E. Static electricity or if you are a soil person Living soil is your nearest equivalent and the bitchin thing is LED is jus makin it so much better. you can watch the melee as it happens in grow journals under winter solstice flip. Lollipopped them 5 days before flip trying to promote some stretch can see that in the light pic.
Enjoy as much as i will. have a good oneView attachment 4776591View attachment 4776589

A house lightbulb can veg a plant. Let’s see nice rock hard bud pics please.

 

[Rurumo]

I'm bi-lightxual... I still can't work out which way I swing more to...

You see what I mean? They are both pretty good to be fair...

Maybe some just swing one way, some swing another...

Seriously, it's a tough call! Among my little group of RL gromies, we have the full spectrum of plant lighting represented and between LED, HID, and THE SUN, so far the best anyone has produced happened to be with THE SUN. Between LED and HID it has just come down to aspects other than quality, mainly heat. Nice buds!

 

[harrythehat]

Enjoy your larf, you’ll need double what you think you’ll need for nice buds

OK can only wait and C, then it would only make a 20% saving. it will B there 2 view

 

[Kassiopeija]

OK can only wait and C, then it would only make a 20% saving. it will B there 2 view

you know, when later in flower, the colas won't fatten out, you still can mount one of your HPS into the room.

 

[harrythehat]

you know, when later in flower, the colas won't fatten out, you still can mount one of your HPS into the room.

did have that thought but, quite happy to see it through it only has me and a couple of mates I give it too.

 

[Dividedsky]

Here's more light data - Hlg

HLG 650R

High Efficiency Commercial Indoor Horticulture LED grow light designed to replace a double-ended 1000watt HID with just 6100 Watts. 1700 PPF @ 2.8PPF/W. Full-spectrum. LED Module made by Samsung. Powered by Samsung LM301H LED and Deep Red LED 660nm

horticulturelightinggroup.com

Says their 650R replaces a 1000w De, only 1770 um at 630w.

Now if that's not twisting the figures. More close to the gavita 1700e which doesn't try to say it's a 1000w de replacement.

Hlg come across like liars here.

Ya no way thay thing replaces a 1000w d/e hps. The 1k d/e hps is the fucking king of HID. I've seen a dude pull an easy 3 elbows + with 1- 1k d/e hps.
I've pulled a little over 9 elbows with 4- single ended 1000w in a sealed room w/mini split and co2. Don't think you could pull the with 4- HLG 650R, who knows though, I could be wrong.. maybe you could???