Came here for my monkey

[pulpoinspace]

Don't want to argue, there is no Herm trait, you cannot breed it or search for Hermie resistance. You can find easier strains don't stress so much.

Fifty years of breeding, you suggest we have all gone wrong since every strain still Herms when stressed.

We're not arguing. We're not talking about a "herm trait" or a "herm gene" were talking about one plants tendency to herm more often than anothers.

Are you saying every strain/pheno would herm under the same amount of stress?

Edit: I just noticed you said "You can find easier strains don't stress so much" So you seem to be agreeing that hermaphroditism is in some way related to genetics... Using those strains to breed, rather than the ones that hermie easier. that's exactly what we're talkin about.

 

[BBQtoast]

We're not arguing. We're not talking about a "herm trait" or a "herm gene" were talking about one plants tendency to herm more often than anothers.

Are you saying every strain/pheno would herm under the same amount of stress?

Edit: I just noticed you said "You can find easier strains don't stress so much" So you seem to be agreeing that hermaphroditism is in some way genetic...

Genetic but not a trait, do you understand the difference?

We cannot breed for hermaphroditism, it's beyond our control. We can breed for stress, easier strains less Hermies.

Produce a breeding scheme that proves we can breed for Herms, breeders of the last fifty years have tried what your saying.

 

[pulpoinspace]

Genetic but not a trait, do you understand the difference?

We cannot breed for hermaphroditism, it's beyond our control. We can breed for stress, easier strains less Hermies.

Produce a breeding scheme that proves we can breed for Herms, breeders of the last fifty years have tried what your saying.

No one is trying to breed for hermies.

I've not said anything, other than that people should breed with the strains/phenos that do not hermie as easily. If you'd prefer to call that "breeding for stress" then that's fine with me. We should breed for stress.

 

[BBQtoast]

No one is trying to breed for hermies.

I've not said anything, other than that people should breed with the strains/phenos that do not hermie as easily. If you'd prefer to call that "breeding for stress" then that's fine with me. We should breed for stress.

You actually said this -

'The anthers are not reprogramming anything. Their appearance though can either be genetic or stress induced, and if they are intentionally stress induced they won't be passed to further generations, whereas if they are genetic they will.'

You just described a breeding trait, I'll take your last post as a speedy retraction.

 

[pulpoinspace]

You actually said this -

'The anthers are not reprogramming anything. Their appearance though can either be genetic or stress induced, and if they are intentionally stress induced they won't be passed to further generations, whereas if they are genetic they will.'

You just described a breeding trait, I'll take your last post as a speedy retraction.

Did I contradict myself in some way?

 

[pulpoinspace]

I think what you're saying is if we were to breed with the plants that produce male and female flowers under lower stress we'd find that their offspring don't produce herms more frequently? Is that it? Just about everyone would disagree with you, I think. If only weed was legal so they could study stuff like this.

 

[BBQtoast]

Did I contradict myself in some way?

Yes you contradicted yourself, first you say we can breed for Herms and it genetically is passed on, it's written plainly.

 

[pulpoinspace]

Yes you contradicted yourself, first you say we can breed for Herms and it genetically is passed on, it's written plainly.

Sure. I see what you're saying.

This hasn't been well studied. But I will stick by what I said: that plants which hermie without any stress should not be used to breed because they will pass that trait.

If you can post some evidence to prove that incorrect, please do.

 

[BBQtoast]

Sure. I see what you're saying.

This hasn't been well studied. But I will stick by what I said: that plants which hermie without any stress should not be used to breed because they will pass that trait.

If you can post some evidence to prove that incorrect, please do.

Evidence - 50 years breeding plants that don't Herm hasn't created plants that don't Herm.

What more evidence do you want that what's straight in from of you. Now for you to support your claim with evidence is impossible, you have nothing.

 

[pulpoinspace]

Evidence - 50 years breeding plants that don't Herm hasn't created plants that don't Herm.

What more evidence do you want that what's straight in from of you. Now for you to support your claim with evidence is impossible, you have nothing.

My belief is formed by anecdotes from growers and personal experience. If you use seeds from a plant that hermed without stress = more hermies from the seeds. I'm just drawing a conclusion that something in those plants DNA has them predisposed to herm, whether you wanna call that low stress resistance or whatever.

Cannabis is still federally illegal where I live and only beginning to be genetically researched. I'm not sure which scientists you're referring to that have been working on breeding herm-resistant sensimilla for 50 years but please post evidence if you have it. Just saying "if its possible we'd have done it already" is not evidence.

 

[BBQtoast]

My belief is formed by anecdotes from growers and personal experience. If you use seeds from a plant that hermed without stress = more hermies from the seeds. I'm just drawing a conclusion that something in those plants DNA has them predisposed to herm, whether you wanna call that low stress resistance or whatever.

Cannabis is still federally illegal where I live and only beginning to be genetically researched. I'm not sure which scientists you're referring to that have been working on breeding herm-resistant sensimilla for 50 years but please post evidence if you have it. Just saying "if its possible we'd have done it already" is not evidence.

Yer your being argumentative, when a Hermie trait is found and it shows a pattern in breeding and we make a seperate genetic line there will be a meeting and we will let you all know.

Until that day your making stuff up that you can't prove and not allowing others to find out that it's not breedable and stable doesn't have anything to do with Herms.

Proof is in the pudding, traits been bred for fifty years in seedbanks, they ain't got nothing which is why I was asking if you had anything different and maybe go share it with all the breeders who have failed to find in fifty years what you've uncovered in five seconds of growing.

Didn't want to argue, there's no Hermie trait to breed, end off.

 

[pulpoinspace]

Yer your being argumentative, when a Hermie trait is found and it shows a pattern in breeding and we make a seperate genetic line there will be a meeting and we will let you all know.

Until that day your making stuff up that you can't prove and not allowing others to find out that it's not breedable and stable doesn't have anything to do with Herms.

Proof is in the pudding, traits been bred for fifty years in seedbanks, they ain't got nothing which is why I was asking if you had anything different and maybe go share it with all the breeders who have failed to find in fifty years what you've uncovered in five seconds of growing.

Didn't want to argue, there's no Hermie trait to breed, end off.

Cheers bud. This wasn't an argument. It's a discussion by two adults.

Anyways I stand by everything I said, and so can you. Have a good day.

 

[BBQtoast]

Cheers bud. This wasn't an argument. It's a discussion by two adults.

Anyways I stand by everything I said, and so can you. Have a good day.

I don't stand by anything, fifty years breeding and not a thing to give you something to stand for.

Why did you only read about Herm traits, no soma and all the other writings that say otherwise.

There's no debate, that was 1990, just a lot of growers opening closed books probably because America just went legal and it's a new thing to most.

 

[SwampYankee]

Hermie
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Nanners
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Hermied plants if allowed to seed itself or another plants will produce seeds with a solid possibility to produce hermie's.

Nanners is generally the product of stress on a female plant. Where many people will stress the plant on purpose to use the pollen from the Nanners as viable pollen for females seeds without concern for a genetic hermie.

I honestly don't have a stance on this btw. I just see this misinterpreted more often than not.

I'm so sorry man. The monkey is reserved for true nanners. I have been playing around with some possible hermie ones but all of them are either horribly offensive or just things that would be wrong to post lol.

I respect the decision from the supreme court of nanners and monkey affairs.

 

[Wattzzup]

Hermie
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Nanners
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Hermied plants if allowed to seed itself or another plants will produce seeds with a solid possibility to produce hermie's.

Nanners is generally the product of stress on a female plant. Where many people will stress the plant on purpose to use the pollen from the Nanners as viable pollen for females seeds without concern for a genetic hermie.

I honestly don't have a stance on this btw. I just see this misinterpreted more often than not.

I'm so sorry man. The monkey is reserved for true nanners. I have been playing around with some possible hermie ones but all of them are either horribly offensive or just things that would be wrong to post lol.

thanks that makes sense.

 

[Wizzlebiz]

@Wizzlebiz
Decided to give the little runt in the corner a fondling today and found a fresh bushel of bananas. Only you can fulfill the prophecy.
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**Also that white stuff isn't PM. I got a little too frisky with the diotamaceous earth the other day**

It is Christmas so I made an exception for you.

Here's your non nanner monkeys.

Merry Christmas.

They are eating corn lol.

 

[kovidkough]

harambe is proud

 

[SwampYankee]

It is Christmas so I made an exception for you.

Here's your non nanner monkeys.

Merry Christmas.
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They are eating corn lol.

Christmas miracle!