Nutes making my head spin!

Beezelbuz

Active Member
OK so I had an issue with my first autos. Was initially treating them like they were a soil grow for the first week and I feel I crippled them. Now I see almost no growth day by day. I still see growth but it seems extremely slow. I have educated myself on how to better grow in coco and since then the plant has recovered greatly. It was initially not growing much at all for the first week and was very lime green.

Now I am on day 20 and growth is still very slow but most of the color has returned to a somewhat darker green. The question I am having is regarding my nute solution that I am giving my plants. I am seeing towards the inner parts of the leaves yellowing on new growth. Just want confirmation that I am correctly feeding them and that the slow growth is more likely due to the first weeks mistakes than the current feeding schedule.

I currently feed my plants 3 to 4 times a day and measure run off EC and get around 1.3 EC for run off. I am currently feeding them:
tap water with EC around .4
Jacks Orchid Special 30-10-10 1/4 tsp per gallon
Cal/Mag 5ml per gallon
Brings total water EC up to 1.1
PH between 6.1 and 6.25

Main question here is I see a lot of people posting different nutes and I just want to confirm giving Jacks 30-10-10 is good enough for veg. If not if someone could please explain why instead of just recommending different fertilizers as I am trying to understand why the Jacks is not doing a good enough job as it has 3 times as much nitrogen as the potassium of phosphorus while still having smaller amounts of those to provide the plant all recommended nutes.

Don't have pics on this computer so will be posting another post in reply to this one with pics of current progress.
 

JoeBlow5823

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Super thin twiggy stem stretching way up trying to get more light. Move the light to like 18'' and turn it up to 100%. SF-200 is only 200w. Thats a very weak light. I keep my plants 36'' from a 1000w light....
 

MICHI-CAN

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In retaliation for the flashing response this thread keeps induce being at the top of the board:
"Nutes making my head spin".

Stop drinking them.

Stop watching the whirlpool.

Had to. Roll every time it pops up.

TY. LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!
 

xtsho

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OK so I had an issue with my first autos. Was initially treating them like they were a soil grow for the first week and I feel I crippled them. Now I see almost no growth day by day. I still see growth but it seems extremely slow. I have educated myself on how to better grow in coco and since then the plant has recovered greatly. It was initially not growing much at all for the first week and was very lime green.

Now I am on day 20 and growth is still very slow but most of the color has returned to a somewhat darker green. The question I am having is regarding my nute solution that I am giving my plants. I am seeing towards the inner parts of the leaves yellowing on new growth. Just want confirmation that I am correctly feeding them and that the slow growth is more likely due to the first weeks mistakes than the current feeding schedule.

I currently feed my plants 3 to 4 times a day and measure run off EC and get around 1.3 EC for run off. I am currently feeding them:
tap water with EC around .4
Jacks Orchid Special 30-10-10 1/4 tsp per gallon
Cal/Mag 5ml per gallon
Brings total water EC up to 1.1
PH between 6.1 and 6.25

Main question here is I see a lot of people posting different nutes and I just want to confirm giving Jacks 30-10-10 is good enough for veg. If not if someone could please explain why instead of just recommending different fertilizers as I am trying to understand why the Jacks is not doing a good enough job as it has 3 times as much nitrogen as the potassium of phosphorus while still having smaller amounts of those to provide the plant all recommended nutes.

Don't have pics on this computer so will be posting another post in reply to this one with pics of current progress.
Why are you feeding those small plants 4 times a day until runoff? It doesn't matter if you're in coco that's too much. There seems to be a bunch of misinformation that has been spread around about coco in the last couple of years. Coco should never dry out but too many people are irrigating too frequently with small plants. You can probably cut back your watering to 1 at the most 2 times a day for those plants.

There is a popular site that supposedly is where many people go for information about growing cannabis in coco. I'm not going to mention the name but it's full of incorrect information.
 

Beezelbuz

Active Member
Why are you feeding those small plants 4 times a day until runoff? It doesn't matter if you're in coco that's too much. There seems to be a bunch of misinformation that has been spread around about coco in the last couple of years. Coco should never dry out but too many people are irrigating too frequently with small plants. You can probably cut back your watering to 1 at the most 2 times a day for those plants.

There is a popular site that supposedly is where many people go for information about growing cannabis in coco. I'm not going to mention the name but it's full of incorrect information.
Using this site for ino... https://www.cocoforcannabis.com/principles-fertigation-feed-water-cannabis-coco/

Ok will back off to two times a day... do you have any docs to read up on that?
 

Beezelbuz

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FYI.

The N in that product is primarily UREA. Not ideal for hydro/coco.
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Jacks 5-12-26 + Calnit would be a better choice, IMO.

Consider allowing more "dryback" for small starter plants. Multi-feeding too early can stunt growth.
Ok ok learning something new everyday. Did some reading on hydro grows and urea. Apparently this is better for soil grows due to the breakdown of ammonia and so on. To correct this I found nutes for part a 5-12-26 and part b calcnit from mega crop. But all that being said does that mean plants will suffer due to urea or they just won't live up to their ultimate potential? Just curious as I'm trying to narrow down the main root of my stunted growth issue.
 

OkSureWhyNot

Active Member
You address the plant. Not the pot. That plant needs like a cup of water every two days. When it’s bigger, you can do your mega punch drink.
 

Beezelbuz

Active Member
Twice a day at this stage is plenty, plant is very small and not useing much.
Yea every watering each is only getting 1 cup(230ish ml) so they only get like 5 cups a day in water for 3 gallon pots with plenty of run off.
Figured the amount of watering didn't matter so much since my drainage was great. I figured as long as I was managing EC that was the really important thing.

Going to back off the watering and will eventually change the urea nutes and post update pics
 

TintEastwood

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How Frequently Should You Fertigate?
Ideally, mature plants should be fertigated 3-5 times per day.
Ok ok learning something new everyday. Did some reading on hydro grows and urea. Apparently this is better for soil grows due to the breakdown of ammonia and so on. To correct this I found nutes for part a 5-12-26 and part b calcnit from mega crop. But all that being said does that mean plants will suffer due to urea or they just won't live up to their ultimate potential? Just curious as I'm trying to narrow down the main root of my stunted growth issue.
The Megacrop 2part is a good option. Clone of Jacks formula.

The cocoforcannabis site has a lot of solid information. No site is perfect, nor are us growers who read them.


 
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Beezelbuz

Active Member
How Frequently Should You Fertigate?
Ideally, mature plants should be fertigated 3-5 times per day.

The Megacrop 2part is a good option. Clone of Jacks formula.

The cocoforcannabis site has a lot of solid information. No site is perfect, nor are us growers who read them.


Holy crap @tintamazing article! Thank you. I swear I research and research and you always come up with great reading material. I think I'll still back off a little to determine best watering schedule... or even since i have 3 plants ill back off on 2 and continue on the 3rd to see what works best.. this confirmed at least im not damaging my girls due to frequent fertigation.

like i mentioned before i am managing EC from 1.1 to 1.3 on all plants so i think thats a good target range for now regardless of watering frequency.

Thanks everyone that helped!
 

Jjgrow420

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Yikes youre feeding ur plants mcdonalds! And 3-4 times a day? Fo real? I dont even eat that much
 

kovidkough

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Yikes youre feeding ur plants mcdonalds! And 3-4 times a day? Fo real? I dont even eat that much
there are diets for trainers who eat small meals 8x daily for keeping their metabolism running. it keeps it from slowing down. they just input healthy things
 
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