Methods That Influence Seeds Male

[maranibbana]

this might be out there as I've read some broscience about some having success with pre-treating their seeds pre-germination, with either substance or temperature, to ensure that more of their reg seeds would become fem over male...

my question is I want to do the opposite....

I'm trying to collect pollen from different mixes and male phenos etc...

anyway I suspect they only real way to do it is pop them and try, just have my hopes up that someone out there has a tested method(s) that help them sway their seed stock more male.

thanks!
happy growing <3

 

[Jjgrow420]

Try putting a penthouse magazine a bottle of beer in a blue pot.

 

[maranibbana]

too toxic, I'm looking for more of the divine masculine genetics

 

[Jon Galt]

this might be out there as I've read some broscience about some having success with pre-treating their seeds pre-germination, with either substance or temperature, to ensure that more of their reg seeds would become fem over male...

my question is I want to do the opposite....

I'm trying to collect pollen from different mixes and male phenos etc...

anyway I suspect they only real way to do it is pop them and try, just have my hopes up that someone out there has a tested method(s) that help them sway their seed stock more male.

thanks!
happy growing <3

I've always heard high germ temp results in more males. I've never tested this though, so it's just hearsay.

 

[Ukulele Haze]

I did stumble on a handful of YouTube videos like this one that suggest it could be possible to "pre-sex" seeds. In other words, determine the sex of a seed by inspection alone. It sounds a little too good to be true to me. But, I haven't personally tried it:

 

[maranibbana]

I've always heard high germ temp results in more males. I've never tested this though, so it's just hearsay.

I did stumble on a handful of YouTube videos like this one that suggest it could be possible to "pre-sex" seeds. In other words, determine the sex of a seed by inspection alone. It sounds a little too good to be true to me. But, I haven't personally tried it:

Both really awesome reply’s I’ll look deeper into both of these.

waiting for a few regs of the F5 super lemon haze from ethos and need as many males as possible lol

 

[xtsho]

I did stumble on a handful of YouTube videos like this one that suggest it could be possible to "pre-sex" seeds. In other words, determine the sex of a seed by inspection alone. It sounds a little too good to be true to me. But, I haven't personally tried it:

You can't sex cannabis seeds by looking at them. That's just more broscience nonsense. Unfortunately, too many people go to youtube for cannabis growing information and this myth will be perpetuated.

 

[Ukulele Haze]

Let's say you end up with a female, OP. If all you are seeking right now is pollen, I am wondering if you could implement the Colloidal Silver technique to induce targeted pollen sac growth on a female. It might be possible. But, I don't know how that pollen would compare to using real male pollen in terms of genetics (it might be inferior).

 

[Nizza]

Check out mel thomas' "cannabis cultivation" book. He mentions a load of things that help with promoting more females than males when germinating

 

[HobbyGrowArtist]

Let's say you end up with a female, OP. If all you are seeking right now is pollen, I am wondering if you could implement the Colloidal Silver technique to induce targeted pollen sac growth on a female. It might be possible. But, I don't know how that pollen would compare to using real male pollen in terms of genetics (it might be inferior).

i never got the idea of hermie seeds. like would that make the next gen almost identical clones of its parent (excluding random mutation during the gene mixing). like literally 1 phenotype.

 

[maranibbana]

Let's say you end up with a female, OP. If all you are seeking right now is pollen, I am wondering if you could implement the Colloidal Silver technique to induce targeted pollen sac growth on a female. It might be possible. But, I don't know how that pollen would compare to using real male pollen in terms of genetics (it might be inferior).

I've thought of doing this as this is kinda what a lot do and even some really good breeders etc by reversing or selfing etc...

i never got the idea of hermie seeds. like would that make the next gen almost identical clones of its parent (excluding random mutation during the gene mixing). like literally 1 phenotype.

in the sense that the herm trait is in the genetics of the plant then yes it would carry over, but I think its different if you say stress a perfectly fine female into producing male sacs and then taking that pollen and using it on a clone of the same genetics to reverse/self the plant, I think....

no expert here just what I've skimmed and want to possibly try....

so then now you've got me thinking I should focus on fem and work on reversing...

pros and cons to everything I'm sure

 

[kovidkough]

silver treatments are considered low stress as it inhibits certain hormones from being created

high stress is what they do in response, ergo drop sacks, these will carry this into the progeny

when looking for a good mom you should cut a ton of clones and induce any many high stressors as you can (low temps high wind over fert), the mom that doesn't pop sacks is what I consider good strong genetics

 

[maranibbana]

silver treatments are considered low stress as it inhibits certain hormones from being created

high stress is what they do in response, ergo drop sacks, these will carry this into the progeny

when looking for a good mom you should cut a ton of clones and induce any many stressors as you can , the mom that doesn't pop sacks is what I consider good strong genetics

in the case of selfing/reversing are silver treatments the top method and don't carry over vs heat/light/dep methods that will carry over?

 

[kovidkough]

in the case of selfing/reversing are silver treatments the top method and don't carry over vs heat/light/dep methods that will carry over?

yes its less likely but the stress will always be dormant and can express itself randomly. genetics aren't perfect and your best bet is breeding males from good stock with healthy females, this reduces the chance entirely

 

[maranibbana]

yes its less likely but the stress will always be dormant and can express itself randomly. genetics aren't perfect and your best bet is breeding males from good stock with healthy females, this reduces the chance entirely

I see, so essentially other than silver treatment, my best bet was my initial path of gettin male stock and working with good fem stock etc.

 

[kovidkough]

I see, so essentially other than silver treatment, my best bet was my initial path of gettin male stock and working with good fem stock etc.

it reduces the chance of hermies. however you will be dealing with pollen and it will get all over and usually seed batches on batches if not handled with care. I think this keeps people away from experimenting with males

 

[kovidkough]

yes fem seeds are nice but seeded batches suck too
and reggie seeds can take more abuse

 

[xtsho]

in the case of selfing/reversing are silver treatments the top method and don't carry over vs heat/light/dep methods that will carry over?

Silver treatment is how the majority of feminized seeds are produced. STS is what most use.

 

[Ukulele Haze]

Since discovering this Thread, I also read about a plant growth regulator called ethephon you can apply to male plants to induce female flowers in the same way. Supposedly, it's possible to create "Malinized" seeds in doing so. I understand a person shouldn't believe everything they read online. But, what if?

This was the source of that information (perhaps not the best):

Is malinized possible? (male seeds)

In other words we can get auto and feminised seeds and regular...is there a process to establish male dominant or exclusive male seed?

www.icmag.com

They talk about pollinating a male plant (transitioned this way) with another male plant to increase the chances of male offspring. But, I don't see why you couldn't also pollinate the transitioned male with itself, too (like they do with Feminized seeds).